I smell some smoking here. With due respect that was not my intention and NO, I have no problems with UK being a power or not. I was only telling you about what most of the people in very your own continent Europe and others in Asia think. It is a general view about UK and heck yeah, here in US also, we and when I say we, I mean Americans laugh and take UK always for granted. It is a general growing trend bud. No matter what you think about UK as that is not going to matter much compared to the opinion of other masses about UK.adsH said:Soldier asusuall, u just come by now and gain with so much B*** S** about just random stuff we talk about, tell me how are we Lap babies when we are still one of the most competent Militaries in the world RAF is competent we produce the bulk of our High tech Equipment we have our own world recognized training doctrine, i don't see how you can take us in the shadow of our Ally US, we can stand alone if we need to but we'd rather work together, it not our fault that you (As indians) have a problem with every one in your region.Soldier said:adsh, when most of the people talk about US, it automatically means UK too. With all due respect Uk is not that glorious nation anymore the way it use to be few decades back. So really taking name of UK specifically does not matter as everyone knows UK sits always in the lap of US.adsH said:I think we just missed out Uk here !!
Hello i think we mised a mojor Power. the United-Kingdom
minor correction. BAe is the 3rd largest defence company in the world. They were never at risk of closing down due to the lack of a new sale on the Hawk.the company was going to shut down its doors
I was talking about the Hawk production facility.gf0012 said:minor correction. BAe is the 3rd largest defence company in the world. They were never at risk of clozsing down due to the lack of a new sale on the Hawk.the company was going to shut down its doors
Yeah, I should have realised that ...Soldier said:I was talking about the Hawk production facility.
Actually the odds are pretty high that BAe will be absorbed by one of the US big "2". Negotiations have been happening on various fronts for the last 12 months. They're a pig of a company to work with - not one of my most enjoyable life experiences having to deal with them.adsH said:BAE is so essential to the Defense industry that the UK government treats it as a Public service such as the Transport Systems here, if the BAE system goes bankrupt (if that happens), it will never be allowed to shut down the Government can subsidize it with Cash injections, tax reliefs, more PUrchases or it can be nationalized becasue it was operated by the Government before privatization and it is a blend of Multitude of British Defence article production Firms. Even if you take out the British governmental INtervention, then there is the US government that treats BAE sytems as its own, they will help out.
Is it Lockheed or boeing rite I would bet its Lockheed (is it no 2), i know BAE system has a nature that causes people to think twice when we (Engineers) open up our mouths, but they always choose the best out of the general work forces thats why you have couple of big headed gimps there.gf0012 said:Actually the odds are pretty high that BAe will be absorbed by one of the US big "2". Negotiations have been happening on various fronts for the last 12 months. They're a pig of a company to work with - not one of my most enjoyable life experiences having to deal with them.adsH said:BAE is so essential to the Defense industry that the UK government treats it as a Public service such as the Transport Systems here, if the BAE system goes bankrupt (if that happens), it will never be allowed to shut down the Government can subsidize it with Cash injections, tax reliefs, more PUrchases or it can be nationalized becasue it was operated by the Government before privatization and it is a blend of Multitude of British Defence article production Firms. Even if you take out the British governmental INtervention, then there is the US government that treats BAE sytems as its own, they will help out.
Is the company itself full of beaurocrats adsh where decision making is a painfully long process??adsH said:Is it Lockheed or boeing rite I would bet its Lockheed (is it no 2), i know BAE system has a nature that causes people to think twice when we (Engineers) open up our mouths, but they always choose the best out of the general work forces thats why you have couple of big headed gimps there.gf0012 said:Actually the odds are pretty high that BAe will be absorbed by one of the US big "2". Negotiations have been happening on various fronts for the last 12 months. They're a pig of a company to work with - not one of my most enjoyable life experiences having to deal with them.adsH said:BAE is so essential to the Defense industry that the UK government treats it as a Public service such as the Transport Systems here, if the BAE system goes bankrupt (if that happens), it will never be allowed to shut down the Government can subsidize it with Cash injections, tax reliefs, more PUrchases or it can be nationalized becasue it was operated by the Government before privatization and it is a blend of Multitude of British Defence article production Firms. Even if you take out the British governmental INtervention, then there is the US government that treats BAE sytems as its own, they will help out.
I don't think the Mirage 2005 are going to be used as air superiority fighters they could be bought to be inducted as Naval Air fleet, but this article is old way old since then alot has changed like Pak has become MNNA.i think Mirages are risky india is planning an update to 2005 mk2 standard the Jet is already too old. i don't think it should be bought for PAF unless the contract is for TOT as it was intended to be, i remember the original negotiations were for the purchase of TOT for Mirages 2005 mk2 and Augusta 90b, pak had monetary problems at that time so the deal was shrunk according to priority. if this actually goes through you might see either MIrage 2005 with TOT and F-16 slowly disapearing out of the fleet. but its unlikely F-16 options are just too tempting its cheaper and alot more affective plus india doesn't operate them. and the Viper has a very good record on the score cards. teh logistics are inplace training are inplace, so induction time would be very little, i think if they mange to pull of a TOT or a local assembly line that might be enough to keep VIPer as the main fighter.saber said:French Team In Pakistan To Discuses Mirage 2000-5 For PAF
ISLAMABAD, March 1, Kyodo - Pakistan will further explore the possibility of buying Mirage 2005 aircraft from France while a four-member French defense mission visits Saturday for two days, Defense Ministry sources said Friday.
The French delegation is being led by Jean Louis Barbier, a senior official of the French Defense Ministry, and is to meet relevant officials of the Pakistan Navy and Air Force in Karachi and Islamabad.
The sources said the delegation would primarily focus on reviewing ongoing projects such as cooperation in the assembly of a high-performance Agasta submarine, provided by France, at the Karachi Naval Yard and retrofitting and upgrading existing Mirage aircraft in Pakistan's air force.
Pakistan has already evaluated the feasibility of introducing Mirage 2000-5s into its air fleet and a Pakistan Air Force delegation is expected to visit France to test fly the aircraft, sources said.
President Pervez Musharraf has also discussed the possibility of buying another batch of F-16 aircraft from the United States, an issue to be examined by a joint Pakistan-U.S. defense group that will hold a meeting within next few months.
AWACS should be able to use the JAS-39 in a more productive manner. the Avionics are 4/5th gen, its a light highly maneuverable AC. the power-plant will be french instead of American :?. the EW suite is realy advance too. since the Awacs that we are predicting will be the Eyiree (spelling so the network capability would be really great). this will complement the existing 32 F-16 that are suppose to get MLU and 18 are expected to be bought and updated too. PAF is also trying to get 24 plus new generation f-16.PJ-10 BrahMos said:very intresting, this version of the Gripen will be much more advanced then the indian Mirage, and Migs and others but i dont think it will be as good as the SU-30MKI, but close,
it is "speculated" that pakistan are only purchasing 40
i doubt it will be a TOT at production level but at the moment its all overhauls and maintenance techniques would be transfered with the AC. TOT might be at research and development level. PAF has its own JF-17 to develop too. but if this happen you can see JF-17 being updated too with some input from the Grippen.fieldmarshal said:thats the best thing that i ave heard ina long time.........it says tranfers of tech as well....that will be awsome..........add ereeye to the equation than this will be a leathel combo.more than a match for any thing india got to offer........ :smokingc: :