Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]

[Deltared075]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

Ok, listen here, Su30MKI not airsuperior fighter! it a very good attack fighter! it tendem seat mean for strike mission not for combat. it have good radar to avoid enemies fighter not to engage them! the have BVR to defence.

If for air superior fighter they dun need second pilot to have more space for fuel for aircombat!

Su37 and F22 are single pilot aircraft mean for airsuperior.

 

[srirangan]

Imho the MKI rules Asia. India is set to have in total 50 by the end of this year and betw 18-22 being added each year from 2005.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

The MKI's rule asia at the moment but it ain't gonna last long. it's an excellent aircraft but i think it's over rated.

 

[srirangan]

What;'s your cliam? Which plane's gonna replace the MKI's dominance? How is it over-rated?

 

[SABRE]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

JAS-39 Grippen !!!!! Now PAF is talking. Hope we get them.
What are the chanes of getting them anyways?
& r we going to stop lookin 4 F-16s?

 

[Revival_786]

Awesome! ak

Someone put up the specs for the JAS-39 and the SU30MKI

 

[Deltared075]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

One is tactical fighter bomber and another is pure airsuperior fighter.

How going to compare both?

 

[Revival_786]

Well let's compare them in their mutually compatible environment

 

[SABRE]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

JAS39- Grippen is air superior fighter while SU-30 is tactical bomber. PAF still has one slot left: Multirole fighter for tactical bombing. Guess F-16 is still on the list.

Anyways good news was on its way for PAF after the 2004 budget session by govt. So when does the President leave for Sweden? I JUST CANT WAIT!!!

1 of my prayer is fulfilled, m still praying for F-16s. Hope the other wish too comes true.

 

[adsH]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

JAS39- Grippen is air superior fighter while SU-30 is tactical bomber. PAF still has one slot left: Multirole fighter for tactical bombing. Guess F-16 is still on the list.

Anyways good news was on its way for PAF after the 2004 budget session by govt. So when does the President leave for Sweden? I JUST CANT WAIT!!!

1 of my prayer is fulfilled, m still praying for F-16s. Hope the other wish too comes true.

lol saber your so impatient ur probably teh first one to actually want to Kick teh President out lol

F-16 is still on the table as i have said teh 32 F-16 will go through an MLU and 18 excess F-16 will be added i think with MLU and i think PAF is looking to get 24 new generation F-16. oh rite Pakistan got teh MNNA staus today, so i think Pres.Mushraf is off to US next month i think. i think it was an indian news channel online that was stating that Donald rumfsfeld has informed His indian Counter part about his Plans to sell new F-16s. i am not sure, but may be true!! any ways the gripens would be an excellent addition, along side F-16 Block 56/60, when it rains it pours !!

 

[Aussie Digger]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

I should imagine that IF Gripen were acquired by Pakistan that the avionics of the JF-17, would be modified to allow a higher level of Inter-operability between the 2. IF I were in control of the PAF I would be trying to double the order of Gripen's and forget about the F-16, or acquire additional F-16's and forget about the JF-17. I think for maintainability and to reduce support costs only 2 frontline fighters should be operated. The support costs for 3 separate types fighters of similar (if not equal) capabilities, would far outweight any possible benefits the 3 completely different small fighters could provide. These savings would be far more useful in upgrading your air defence system and fully network the fighters, AWACS and ground based air defence systems you have in place...

 

[VICTORA1]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

Guys,
My understanding is that the U S pilots fly the most hours followed by Israel and Pakistan i.e. 200 plus hrs. Indian airforce was doing somewhere 150hrs for its pilots.

 

[fieldmarshal]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

awsome news...........the reason for goin for grippen is simple n that is ereeye.
aussie digger at the moment paf is operating four front line fighters they are
f-16
mirage 3n 5
f-7s
a5
so its no big thing..infact they will bring that down to three
grippen
f-16
jf-17 thunder
n u never know j-10

 

[adsH]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

I should imagine that IF Gripen were acquired by Pakistan that the avionics of the JF-17, would be modified to allow a higher level of Inter-operability between the 2. IF I were in control of the PAF I would be trying to double the order of Gripen's and forget about the F-16, or acquire additional F-16's and forget about the JF-17. I think for maintainability and to reduce support costs only 2 frontline fighters should be operated. The support costs for 3 separate types fighters of similar (if not equal) capabilities, would far outweight any possible benefits the 3 completely different small fighters could provide. These savings would be far more useful in upgrading your air defence system and fully network the fighters, AWACS and ground based air defence systems you have in place...

Aussie ur absolutely rite about the Cost but i think PAF at the moment is deprived of any new Jet they are trying what the PAF's ACM called a Multi pronged approach where he would try and get any thing. the best part of acquiring the Grripen would be the technology that is transfered like composite Airframe technology (they will repair them so i guess they should know how they build it ) and the advance Avionics and EW systems should also be given to PAF, this all i think-should be in exchange for continuous R&D exchange. i doubt PAF will dump its Gap filling bulk fighter which is JF-17.and i doubt PAF will dump it's only credible Air defense AC the F-16 before 2012.

 

[Deltared075]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

Well, i dun think the Pakistan need to worry much for the MKI, you can intercept it very well with JF17.

If in tactical strike mission, the MKI will not reveal it self to the enemies, otherwise it just like told the enemies fighter:"hey, I'm here to bomb your country! come stop me!". who will stupid enough to do that? dun forgot you carry a heavy bombs! the MKI will have all disadvantage in combat, so they the MKI have to drop their bomb to fight with you, what the point?

and MKI not for intercept.

 

[adsH]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

Well, i dun think the Pakistan need to worry much for the MKI, you can intercept it very well with JF17.

If in tactical strike mission, the MKI will not reveal it self to the enemies, otherwise it just like told the enemies fighter:"hey, I'm here to bomb your country! come stop me!". who will stupid enough to do that? dun forgot you carry a heavy bombs! the MKI will have all disadvantage in combat, so they the MKI have to drop their bomb to fight with you, what the point?

and MKI not for intercept.

you need fast and and High tech intercepters to intercept the MKI, grippen should give it some trouble and i the MKI would think twise not enter a territory guarded by a grippen. the AWAC should detect an intrusion or the extensively new American ground base radars TPS (that should be integrated in the network). if not then i think all pakistani Fighters have the IRTS systems built-in in them (they worked hard to integrate the IRTS in there Mirages for surveillance so they should be able to track the MKI as soon as it comes inn, but taking down an MKI is no JF-17 job unless you have an elite flying squadron trying there hand on this 3rd generation jet. such a AC, i think the Grripen would be diverted to intercept such threat.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

MKI have got no chance against the gripen.
1. PAF's excellant pilots will fly em.
2. amongst the top 5 aircraft in service today (in my opinion).
3. along side the ereyes it's gonna be even more deadly.

anyways i knew it all the way long that where goin for gripens coz a few months ago a swedish deligation came to pk

anyway we shouldn't say things to early coz you never know whats round the bend. lets just wait for mussaraf to get on the PIA 747 jumbo jet. and when the doc is signed thats when we can talk and celebrate. :

 

[Aussie Digger]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

I never suggested dumping any aircraft without having a proper replacement ready. I suggested reducing the number of similar combat types operated in order to save money that could be better spent on upgrading other areas of the Pakistani armed forces. I don't see the use of operating 3 (or 4) types of roughly equivalent fighter types in service if at all possible. 80 odd Gripen's would be much more supportable, much more capable and much cheaper to maintain over the long term than 40 Gripen's and 40 odd F-16's. Let alone 4 separate types of small short range fighters. The support costs alone are probably crippling the PAF budget...

 

[P.A.F]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

good points. i think the PAF need to move on and stick to the jas-39's.

 

[Deltared075]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

How possible the Pakistan going to get their hand on the Gripen?