Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]

[corsair7772]

I think were gonna be with our usual four aircraft types.
Gripen
JF-17
Mirage
F-7

F-16s cud be sold off or end of life for them. Once we get the gripen J-10 hopes will be pretty dampened. Theres no reason to induct the J-10 once we get the Gripen but its my bet well still get it. :roll

 

[srirangan]

Whe are the JF-17's to be inducted? Have they enetered mass production, because I read somewhere (some forum) that the PLAAF isn't interested in them and is reluctant to produce.

 

[Revival_786]

They will be produced - the PAF will start inducting them in early 2007 I think so I guess production will start way before then

 

[SABRE]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

I never suggested dumping any aircraft without having a proper replacement ready. I suggested reducing the number of similar combat types operated in order to save money that could be better spent on upgrading other areas of the Pakistani armed forces. I don't see the use of operating 3 (or 4) types of roughly equivalent fighter types in service if at all possible. 80 odd Gripen's would be much more supportable, much more capable and much cheaper to maintain over the long term than 40 Gripen's and 40 odd F-16's. Let alone 4 separate types of small short range fighters. The support costs alone are probably crippling the PAF budget...

U r right man but u need 2 think again. As I said b4 Grippen is AirSuperior Jet which leaves a an empty slot for a multirole tactical bomber in PAF inventory. So its gotta b F-16. 80 Grippens wud be gud very gud but they wuld only intercept enemy JEts who will bomb the ground. PAF might be able 2 stop SU-30 & Mirrage 2000-5 but when they get a mission to bomb enemy targets inside enemy country what wud PAF do, they wont be superior than. So it wud ve 2 b 40-Grippen & 40 F-16s (27-30 New ones, So about 60+ F-16s). PAF than should also go on buying new Grippens in the Future. Also keep thinking about Mirrage 2000-5. PAF has been very gud with Mirrage 3&5 during actions in war.

& yes thank God ur not incharge of PAF.

Anyways can any 1 predict what formation all the Jets fly in once Grippen & may be new F-16 come to Pakistan?

 

[Oqaab]

Whe are the JF-17's to be inducted? Have they enetered mass production, because I read somewhere (some forum) that the PLAAF isn't interested in them and is reluctant to produce.

PAF will be getting 10-12 JF-17s in mid 2006 for training purpose. The aircraft will officially be inducted in 2007.

China is interested in 200 JF-17s. Dont believe on rumours spread by anybody on forums.

Lets come back to the topic.

It is reported that Pakistan wants to purchase 40 Gripens. But ACM stated that PAF will purchase 60 4th generation fighters. So what about the remaining 20 4th generation fighters ? I think they will be Delta Falcons(Mirage 2000-5).

 

[srirangan]

Purchasing the Mirage 2000-5 won't make sense because India already has them w/ ToT.

 

[Roger Smith]

I think were gonna be with our usual four aircraft types.
Gripen
JF-17
Mirage
F-7

F-16s cud be sold off or end of life for them. Once we get the gripen J-10 hopes will be pretty dampened. Theres no reason to induct the J-10 once we get the Gripen but its my bet well still get it. :roll

There are reports that Pervez Musharraf is visiting Sweden next month and ink/sign a deal for 40 Gripen,

 

[srirangan]

Well won't the PAF chief go for the deal? Or is Musharraf the air force chief too?

 

[Oqaab]

Purchasing the Mirage 2000-5 won't make sense because India already has them w/ ToT.

India has Mirage 2000H. It will be getting Mirage 2000-5 in near future with ToT.

Dont act like a kid yaar. Musharraf, with defence minister, finance minister, ACM, probably Vice ACM, will leave for Sweden.

Happy ??

 

[srirangan]

Okay thanx for the clarif about the Mirage's and the Sweden visit..

 

[lalith prasad]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

before selecting sukhoi india evaluated the french rafale and the mirage 2000-5 ,the rafale was too costly and hence outrightly rejected ,mirage2000-5 was found to be more expensive and inferior in performance to su30 and hence was rejected.
i8t was only after kargil war that india got interested in it .by the way can anyone provide information on the rc400 radar there are rumours that this radar will arm the lca.i would also like to know ultimately how many aircrafts(jas 39) will be procured by paf.

 

[Uzman]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

Im quite amazed to hear that PAF has atlast near finialized to get GRIPEN.......these babies are just superb and PAF needs a LOT of em as front line fighters/attackers......

i think 100-200 must be the number..lol

any way, a very good turn in PAF....

 

[fieldmarshal]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

right now as things stand smki is nothin more than a circus act n nothin. it is a high matinance ac...unproven in any engagement eny where.........the western defeence sources are in the habbit of hypin up all russian products so th squeeze the politicians in givin more for there defence.........f-16 or an f-15 will [ Admin Edit: marshal, we want to keep things clean and respectful around here... okay? ]which we might be seeing any time soon....i am not righing it off but it has to prove it self first.
n when the jf 17 comes out ull be surprised how capibale that baby is it will be more than a match for any thing india has to offer includin an mki.
n there is no harm in maintaining three or four front line aircrafts..infact its an advatage as it gives u opotions.and the enemy guessin..........all good airforces maintain this combo eg isreali af they got f-15 f-16 lavi f-4. .
so dont worry be happy as the ppl on the top know wt they are doin .......trust me.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

NICELY said mate. i have to say that the MKI is a good aircraft but definately over rated. it just not in the class of the gripen, f-16 and others. it may look nice though but it's whats on the inside what counts at the end of the day.

 

[adsH]

Whe are the JF-17's to be inducted? Have they enetered mass production, because I read somewhere (some forum) that the PLAAF isn't interested in them and is reluctant to produce.

PAF will be getting 10-12 JF-17s in mid 2006 for training purpose. The aircraft will officially be inducted in 2007.

China is interested in 200 JF-17s. Dont believe on rumours spread by anybody on forums.

Lets come back to the topic.

It is reported that Pakistan wants to purchase 40 Gripens. But ACM stated that PAF will purchase 60 4th generation fighters. So what about the remaining 20 4th generation fighters ? I think they will be Delta Falcons(Mirage 2000-5).

i think i know what hes onn about its the Block 50/60 F-16 they want to complement there existing Fleet with them Mirages induction and logistical setup would cost too much andits not worth itif your only inducting 20 odd.

 

[The Watcher]

PAF should do away with F-16s............... look beyond f16s into the future for better platforms. im for one tired of hearing f16s everytime we talk about paf's needs. :roll

 

[Uzman]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

i think its better to induct the Grpien and insist on US F-16s.... when we have around

200 JF_17s
50 JAS
100 F-16 (if US agrees)

then sell off all F-7s(all versions) to a less developed country like Bangladesh or anyother....same is for Mirage3/5 and sabres(i dont know wat to do with our ansestor planes..lol...HONOR THEM!!)

 

[The Watcher]

US won't agree and we don't need F16. F16s will be obsolete in 10-15 years as more advanced systems take up the markets. Like F22, JSF, Su37 and Eurofighter.

 

[adsH]

Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

i think its better to induct the Grpien and insist on US F-16s.... when we have around

200 JF_17s
50 JAS
100 F-16 (if US agrees)

then sell off all F-7s(all versions) to a less developed country like Bangladesh or anyother....same is for Mirage3/5 and sabres(i dont know wat to do with our ansestor planes..lol...HONOR THEM!!)

Sabers are all gone !! Mirage 3 and 5 are still very capable AC they have been overhauled structure has been renewed and engines are now mint quality the entire electronics have been changed the AC is now actually 3 or / 4 gen in terms of Avionics, it has better avionics and radars then JF-17.

 

[corsair7772]

PAF should do away with F-16s............... look beyond f16s into the future for better platforms. im for one tired of hearing f16s everytime we talk about paf's needs. :roll

I know what you mean but beggars cant be choosers i guess.