The Arjun Tank

[Titanium]

Get over it and go play somewhere else, you do not have a clue on what you are even talking about and that is a fact, you are starting to fit the class as a troll, no one is interested in your pathetic point of views, you came onto this thread to give a flammatory remark inregards to DRDO as you also decided to bash them on the new Turkish tank thread, this you decided to do on purpose just for the satisfaction of upsetting individuals, your opinion inregards to my credentials doesn`t mean squat to me, bring something that is viable to this thread or move on. if you want to start a thread on China`s military technology know how then start a new thread.

Coming from you, its bit royal. You first started accusing China of Stealing Technology, when asked for proof, you are just stooped to abusing.

This is the pathetic act and fit the behavior of troll. If you want to redeem yourself, show us some hard facts.........and don't attept at your pathetic credential dropping, coz no one here gives a damn about who you are .

The only thing matters here is, opinion based on facts. You implication that Chinese are nothing but robber who steal technology form others is nothing but inflamatry.....which you either apologise or prove.:nutkick

 

[eckherl]

Coming from you, its bit royal. You first started accusing China of Stealing Technology, when asked for proof, you are just stooped to abusing.

This is the pathetic act and fit the behavior of troll. If you want to redeem yourself, show us some hard facts.........and don't attept at your pathetic credential dropping, coz no one here gives a damn about who you are .

The only thing matters here is, opinion based on facts. You implication that Chinese are nothing but robber who steal technology form others is nothing but inflamatry.....which you either apologise or prove.:nutkick

Okay troll, just for you. CHINA STROONG and they do not have to rely on other countries technologies by stealing it or purchasing it, and matter of fact they do not even believe in spying and maybe someday they will rule the world and we will all speak Chinese. Now unwedge your panties out of your rectum and move on.

 

[Titanium]

You know what? You are a Bigot to think all creative works happen only in West. China if it gets anything is by stealing spying and ofcourse if both don't work purchasing.

How pathetic is your tunnel vision. Would you come out of your hole to see the sun. Yes China is rising and you better see it, than be sorry.

If you think by steeping low.....i will also follow you, you are mistaken.

 

[eckherl]

You know what? You are a Bigot to think all creative works happen only in West. China if it gets anything is by stealing spying and ofcourse if both don't work purchasing.

How pathetic is your tunnel vision. Would you come out of your hole to see the sun. Yes China is rising and you better see it, than be sorry.

If you think by steeping low.....i will also follow you, you are mistaken.

Response edited per request.

 

[Generalissimo]

You know what? You are a Bigot to think all creative works happen only in West. China if it gets anything is by stealing spying and ofcourse if both don't work purchasing.

How pathetic is your tunnel vision. Would you come out of your hole to see the sun. Yes China is rising and you better see it, than be sorry.

If you think by steeping low.....i will also follow you, you are mistaken.

Just calm down man. China has used spying to get technology from the West and from other countries, any number of espionage cases can prove that. But there isn't really anything wrong with that. It's an accepted tool in international relations, and the Chinese are very good at it. And the Type-99 is a good tank which capably mixes the Western and Russian schools of tank design so there's no need for you to think that you must defend China's honor. So everybody just calm down.

Well if they replaced their entire tank park with Arjuns it would reduce the MBT numbers by 25%. That seems like a pretty major issue

I don't know if that's entirely true. You can always shuffle personell around, etc. And this could be taking place within the context of an expansion of the total numbers of tanks too. I also would like to point out that the T-90 (indeed all T series tanks) have 3 crewmen because they use an autoloader, while 4 man tanks have a loader. It is a known fact that a well trained human loader is far more efficent and useful in battle than an autoloader (although I do not know what if any improvements have been made to the T-90's autoloader over the previous T series autoloaders), so by having that extra crewman you are increasing your tanks capability.

 

[indian bull]

DRDO unveils new Anti-Tank/Anti-Helicopter Missile (CLGM)

He guys here is a new missile developed specially to be launched from the canon of Arjun:

Features
- Can Engage MBTs and Helicopters
- Modular Architecture (Probably means we could see a lot more versions of this missile in future)
- Compatible with Arjun 120mm Canon, can be launched from different platforms


Diameter- 120mm
Length- 1025mm
Speed- 250m/s
Weight- 18.5kg
Range - 5km
CEP- 1m
Kill Probability- 0.8
Propulsion- Ejection Charge+Booster+Sustainer
Warhead- Tandem HEAT , weight not known
Guidance- Inertial+Semi-Active Laser Homing.
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Missile should be ideal for vehicles like Abhay, Hummvee Type and MBTs

 

[Titanium]

Is Arjun MBT still has some hope??

Didn't the DRDO is tasked with developing new FMBT 2020 of 40 tonnage??

What future do you see now Arjun???

 

[indian bull]

Is Arjun MBT still has some hope??

Didn't the DRDO is tasked with developing new FMBT 2020 of 40 tonnage??

What future do you see now Arjun???

Well you have the fundamental right to keep up dreaming about it because i cann't end your curiousity regarding this matter. Anyhow neither DRDO nor IA will be passing out this type of info for the satisfaction of you guys.

Now don't put a new question again atleast to me, thanks.

 

[Generalissimo]

He guys here is a new missile developed specially to be launched from the canon of Arjun:

Features
- Can Engage MBTs and Helicopters
- Modular Architecture (Probably means we could see a lot more versions of this missile in future)
- Compatible with Arjun 120mm Canon, can be launched from different platforms

That seems to be the way that new MBTs are going-gun launched missles. China has one on the Type 99. The US is coming out with one too I believe,

 

[eckherl]

That seems to be the way that new MBTs are going-gun launched missles. China has one on the Type 99. The US is coming out with one too I believe,

Yes - the U.S is currently testing a few different models, the same could also be said with most NATO tank producing countries, what makes India`s Lehat version different is that it is designed for a rifled maingun and can use different launch platforms.

 

[aaaditya]

Yes - the U.S is currently testing a few different models, the same could also be said with most NATO tank producing countries, what makes India`s Lehat version different is that it is designed for a rifled maingun and can use different launch platforms.

are france and germany developing any gun launched anti-tank missiles?

 

[crobato]

Did I ever state that China is dumb and that I have a hard on out for them so to speak, I just gave you some facts about their tank building capabilities, I also stated that every country that has a passion for building MBTs does in fact the same thing, so why pick on DRDO.

Do modern Chinese tanks come equipped with a auto trackers and thermals, where did they get this techology from, modular armor package for turret layout. There is your french connection.

Why the French? Because they got involved with the Chinese ships?

This time however, with the tanks it was more likely to be the Israelis (remember their aerospace connections with the Chinese?). The next culprits would be the Germans, whose engine designs also power Chinese tanks. Given the Leo shaped inspired armor in late model Chinese "G" tanks, there might also be a connection there. Arrowhead shape in the armor might also point to the use of perforated armor like in the Leo II.

 

[Titanium]

Well you have the fundamental right to keep up dreaming about it because i cann't end your curiousity regarding this matter. Anyhow neither DRDO nor IA will be passing out this type of info for the satisfaction of you guys.

Now don't put a new question again atleast to me, thanks.

Well it was not directed at you particularly, but just raised a query at general. I never thought that its so sensitive matter, coz it is well reported fact that india is looking for 40 Tonn tank.

Anyway, thanks for informing that Arjun MBT has gone classified.

 

[eckherl]

are france and germany developing any gun launched anti-tank missiles?

Hi aaaditya

France and Germany I was told do have some design proto types that
they are working with, Germany in fact has tested Lehat but I do not know if they are going to go with it or not, maybe this is something that @Kato or Waylander could answer. The U.S MRM - KE and MRM - CE look really promising and I was told that we will end up with it in the near future and Germany also is reviewing this round. Here is some photos for you.

 

[kato]

Rheinmetall Defence Electronics has officially taken over Lahat marketing for Leopard tanks (both 105mm Leo 1 and 120mm Leo 2).

I have my doubts that the Bundeswehr would procure it.
AT capability isn't that high on the Bw's list, DM63 etc should be good enough for the tanks. Otherwise PARS-3 LR on the Tiger (680 missiles ordered) is considered enough for that, along with the medium-range stuff (TOW 2B, Spike LR).
Germany already said no to gun-launched ATGM way back with MBT70 (US version: 152mm M81, German version: 120mm L44).

Reviewing technology is something the BWB (procurement office) does constantly.

 

[eckherl]

Rheinmetall Defence Electronics has officially taken over Lahat marketing for Leopard tanks (both 105mm Leo 1 and 120mm Leo 2).

I have my doubts that the Bundeswehr would procure it.
AT capability isn't that high on the Bw's list, DM63 etc should be good enough for the tanks. Otherwise PARS-3 LR on the Tiger (680 missiles ordered) is considered enough for that, along with the medium-range stuff (TOW 2B, Spike LR).
Germany already said no to gun-launched ATGM way back with MBT70 (US version: 152mm M81, German version: 120mm L44).

Reviewing technology is something the BWB (procurement office) does constantly.

Yep - with our own debacles inregards to the 152mm shil mounted on the Sheridians and M-60A2s it took us awhile get back into actually wanting to field something, and we still have folks that are skeptical. You don`t envision Germany jumping on the band wagon also inregards to the latest and greatest addition in tank projectile technology.

 

[kams]

AFAIK gun launched missile will be integrated only on the next lot of Arjuns, along with cpl of other mods!

 

[eckherl]

@Kams, looking at this photo two things come to mind that I did not realize.

1. Arjun can run with the low profile external fuel tank and also with two 55 gallon drums on top of that correct.

2. Looking at the back of the turret with the exhaust outlet, is this the NBC overpressure system or is this a APU.

Are these correct assumptions.

 

[Titanium]

Arjun tank fails winter trials, Army Chief writes to Antony

Manu Pubby

Posted online: Thursday, April 17, 2008 at 2317 hrs IST

New Delhi, April 16
In a major setback to indigenous development project, the Arjun tank has failed to clear a crucial round of winter trials that were to decide whether the tank will be cleared for bulk production by the Army.

While the tank has been consistently suffering transmission problems and trouble in its suspension unit, the latest round of user trials that concluded in March brought out major problems with German engines fitted on the indigenous tank.

Now, a disappointed Army Chief has written to Defence Minister A K Antony saying a “lot of improvements” are needed before the tank can be cleared for bulk intake into its armoured regiments.

During the five months of Accelerated Usage-cum-Reliability Trials (AUCRT) in Rajasthan, two Arjun tanks that were tested by the Army suffered engine failures on four separate occasions. This, when the Main Battle Tanks had been put through only 1,000 km of trials. The tank is fitted with German MTU 838 Ka 501 engines.

While this has come as a major embarrassment for DRDO that has been claiming that all defects on the tank have been rectified, the Army has made it clear that given the present problems on the tank, bulk intake is not an option. The Army has already ordered 124 tanks but had kept its options open for further purchases.

“The tanks have performed very poorly. There have been four engine failures so far. The tanks have done about 1,000 km each. There is a problem,” a senior Army officer informed the Parliament Standing Committee on Defence last month.

The tanks are now set for an even more gruelling round of summer trials in Rajasthan next month where they will be tested in temperatures of over 40 degrees Celsius.

 

[niteshkjain]

sad news
from : STANDING COMMITTEE ON DEFENCE 07-08 Demend for grants

page : 73-74

Arjun Tanks

8.11 The project for the design and development of Main Battle Tank (MBT) Arjun was approved by CCPA in its meeting held on 26 Mar 1974, in order to give the required indigenous cutting edge to our mechanized forces. Fifteen pre-production series of Arjun tanks developed by DRDO are in service with one squadron of 43 Armored Regiment of Army.

8.12 Army HQ placed an indent for 124 MBT Arjun on Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) in Mar 2000. The first 15 Nos. MBT Arjun are being produced as Limited Series Projection (LSP) tanks. Army has planned to carry out extensive exploitation of these tanks through Accelerated User Cum Reliability Trials (AUCRT) before Heavy Vehicle Factory (HVF) is accorded clearance for the bulk production of the remaining tanks.

8.13 Government sanction for creation of infrastructure for production of MBT Arjun was accorded in May 2002 with a total outlay of Rs. 100 crore (65 crore for Ordnance Factory, Medak and 35 crore for HVF, Avadi). The infrastructure is in place with effect from Jun 2006 which included the following: -

(i) Assembly line
(ii) Tools, fixture and material handling facilities
(iii) Pre-fitment check facilities.

8.14 The production of MBT Arjun is regularly monitored through the quarterly Working Group Meetings held under the Chairmanship of Director General Mechanized Forces (DGMF) and the Steering Committee Meetings held under the Co-Chairmanship of Secretary (DP) and SA to RM. Hon’ble RURM reviewed the production of MBT Arjun in July 2006.

8.15 HVF Avadi has completed the assembly of 53 tanks. Out of these, 5 tanks have been handed over to the Army for user trails which were successfully completed in Jun 2006. Defects noticed during the trials have been rectified.

8.16 Nine tanks were tendered for Joint Receipt Inspection (JRI). Army has completed the JRI of 5 tanks and the JRI of next 4 tanks is underway. It has been decided that all the 9 tanks would be issued to Army simultaneously and Army would undertake AUCRT on 2 tanks.

8.17 The production target for year 2007-08 is 32 tanks, thus the cumulative total at end of year 2007-08 is likely to be 85 tanks. Production of remaining 39 tanks is likely to be completed during 2008-09. Raksha Mantri is periodically reviewing the production schedule of MBT Arjun.

8.18 During evidence before the Committee, a representative of the Army clarifying the position regarding performance of Arjun Tank submitted as under: -


“Sir, we have just carried out the trial in winter. The tanks have performed very poorly. There have been four engine failure so far. The tanks have done about 1,000 kilometre each. There has been a problem. The Defence Minister has been apprised by the Chief. I think, two or three days back, he has written a DO letter giving the exact position. So, a lot of improvements have to be done before the Army will be satisfied on the Arjun tank.”