T-98 vs Arjun

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gf0012-aust

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dabrownguy said:
gf0012 so you met Isreal engineers working on the Arjun mk2 MBT? What did they have to say?
I've know of one and I've met another on a ballistics project we were both involved with 2 years ago in Australia.

It's probably inapprop to make specific comments as it would/could identify the part of the project he currently works on.
 

dabrownguy

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Heres a good question. If the ground pressure on the Arjun is low does this mean the tank would be manuverable or chubby? Many people say the soviet design will out manuveur it in the desert field and the tank would fail to hit its target because tank x keeps moving unlike the Arjun. Because of Arjuns weight would that make it less manuveurable especially on the desert?
 

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dabrownguy said:
Heres a good question. If the ground pressure on the Arjun is low does this mean the tank would be manuverable or chubby? Many people say the soviet design will out manuveur it in the desert field and the tank would fail to hit its target because tank x keeps moving unlike the Arjun. Because of Arjuns weight would that make it less manuveurable especially on the desert?
There are two issues, ground pressure and power to weight.

If the ground pressure is low, and the power to weight is favourable, then it will drive around like a go-kart. ;)

Absolute tank weight is less relevant in this scenario.
 

dabrownguy

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in the earlier models of the Arjun they had used the smoke gernades in the front. why do they now put the smoke gernades in the back and sensors?

this is the old picture showing different sensors and smoke gernades in the front.

this is the new one.

in this one there seems to be an anttena.

heres a good layout.
BTW do know if the antiair gun on the arjun can be fired from inside while protecting the crew?
 

Srilankan

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I insist that Arjun is the BEST tank in the world. After all it has to be: made by the greatest country on Earth, the brightest people, who are the most technologically advanced people on the planet.
 

doggychow14

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er.... Srilankan you are kidding me right? :? pathfinder-x i don't think it was t-99. looked more to me like a t-98 because of the turret and the hull. also the v shaped splash gaurd. a t-99's turret sorta looks like a leopards.
 

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The PLA's official designation for the tank is Type-99, but many people call it Type-98 because it appeared on national parade in October 1998. The improved version is called Type-99G. It always bugs me that people can't seem to get the name right.
 

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Type-99G is basically a Type-99 with add-on armour. It features ERA on the front of the hull and Leopard style armour package for the turret.
 

Revival_786

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Srilankan... lmao

The T-99 looks pretty "smooth" from the front...? Is it because of aerodynamics - or because of another reason?
 

yutong chen

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gf0012-aust
i doubt you worked with Isreali engineers, even if you did, its non military. i didn't go inside a type 98, but i did go inside a Type 59 variant. its not bogus information, since its the only information with NUMBERS.
 

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yutong chen said:
gf0012-aust
i doubt you worked with Isreali engineers, even if you did, its non military. i didn't go inside a type 98, but i did go inside a Type 59 variant. its not bogus information, since its the only information with NUMBERS.
No offence, but what you think is irrelevant. I've actually worked on a ballistic weapons project in the last 3 years. I've been inside a mercedes benz sl600, a fishing boat, an elevator, an arleigh burke DDG and once I went inside inflatable castle for a christmas party - whats your point?

I can't help it of you believe some of the rubbish that is presented as truth. I don't seek to change it, and I certainly don't lose sleep if you need to take some comfort in the figures. It's your choice.

check yr PM.
 

adsH

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LOL GF nice one!!

I think the Chinese T-99 is better then the Argun it has to be alot more Maneuverable. it can't be a bad tank. We all know the Pakistanis were working on the Al-khalids, with the chinese and the ukrainians i am sure The T-99 is better variant of the EX-Chinese T-90 turned Al-Khalids. But i doubt its power-plant of the T-99 it better then the Ukrainian Modified Alkhalid. correct me if i am wrong here. Thnx!!
 

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The following is a paragraph from Sinodefence.com about Type-99

"The Type 98 is powered by a liquid cooled, turbocharged 1,200 hp diesel derived from Germany WD396 diesel technology. At its current battle weight of 52 tons, this gives a power-to-weight ratio of about 23 hp/tonne."

Except the part where they got the designation of Type 99 wrong, everything else is true. If you like to read the rest of the article here is the link:

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/tank/type98.asp

Hope that helps! :)
 

dabrownguy

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I think the Chinese T-99 is better then the Argun it has to be alot more Maneuverable.
:arrow: here we go again. How does maneuberablilty actually come into play? Can the Type 99 do a cobra in the air? I seriously don't get it. Tank's arent very maneuvrable to begin with. Thats why their turrets rotate 360 degrees. ;)
 

gf0012-aust

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Pathfinder-X said:
The following is a paragraph from Sinodefence.com about Type-99

"The Type 98 is powered by a liquid cooled, turbocharged 1,200 hp diesel derived from Germany WD396 diesel technology. At its current battle weight of 52 tons, this gives a power-to-weight ratio of about 23 hp/tonne."

Except the part where they got the designation of Type 99 wrong, everything else is true. If you like to read the rest of the article here is the link:

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/tank/type98.asp

Hope that helps! :)
Just before confusion sets in. My comment was articulated around the fact that as soon as people take a contrarian view, then they dismiss the opinion as being valid.

I can show you Janes articles which were clearly wrong and deliberately misrepresented (by both the US and Russia) to gain some pyschological leverage. It's happened ever since the british were rumoured to be building the Super Ironclads, the precursors to the Dreadnoughts etc...

I have little faith in the blind acceptance of figures from public sources as invariably the operational data I have worked with is very different. Janes for example is used as a Guide - not as a bible. Certainly for naval references Bakers is seen as a superior reference work.

Anyone can get the length of a frigate down correctly, anyone can say how many missile mounts are on a CVN, but as an example - there is still huge differences in opinion on how the deadweight of a submarine is measured. Now in that example getting the displacement wrong will alter some of the targetting assumptions on building a defensive interdiction capability.

It's the same with tanks. Get the FCS wrong and what you have is either a 45 tonne, 53 tonne or 70 tonne armoured chariot that will fail in some tactical assumptions.

To even assume that the warfighting capability of an armoured platform will be articulated in a public environment is absolute nonsense. The M60-A3 data is still classified. and that is an obsolete platform.

Thats why when people get excited at start drawing up tables of data to say why their preferred platform is better than another I just roll my eyes in frustration. The data you get on the net, from magazines is a generality - it's so broad and sometimes so far removed from the actual detail that it's almost hysterically funny to watch people get so excited. People throw data like engagement times, speed, offsight specs as though they were completely accurate. Give me strength!

Then to top it off, you get some people in here who do have actual warfighting, combat, tactical, development and management skills in military projects and with some credible know how being challenged about their answers and credibility by (usually) enthusiastic armchair generals.

Thats why I make sometimes dismissive and frustrated comments. Some people in here really need to get a grip on reality.

Not one piece of specific data that I have ever seen on the net or in a magazine about technical issues on a platform has ever been used as a reference point on any project I have been involved with - not one!
 
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