T-98 vs Arjun

[RealIndian]

LOL GF nice one!!

I think the Chinese T-99 is better then the Argun it has to be alot more Maneuverable. it can't be a bad tank. We all know the Pakistanis were working on the Al-khalids, with the chinese and the ukrainians i am sure The T-99 is better variant of the EX-Chinese T-90 turned Al-Khalids. But i doubt its power-plant of the T-99 it better then the Ukrainian Modified Alkhalid. correct me if i am wrong here. Thnx!!

LOL

Is it an aircraft ? Dog fight ??????LOL

Maneuberablilty can't makes a tank better then other.LOL.

BTW Arjun's Power-to-weight ratio is 24:1 HP/ton & Ground pressure 0.84 kg/sq. cm.

it can't be a bad tank.

LOL !
Why??

Because it is chinese???

 

[Pathfinder-X]

LOL GF nice one!!

I think the Chinese T-99 is better then the Argun it has to be alot more Maneuverable. it can't be a bad tank. We all know the Pakistanis were working on the Al-khalids, with the chinese and the ukrainians i am sure The T-99 is better variant of the EX-Chinese T-90 turned Al-Khalids. But i doubt its power-plant of the T-99 it better then the Ukrainian Modified Alkhalid. correct me if i am wrong here. Thnx!!

LOL

Is it an aircraft ? Dog fight ??????LOL

Maneuberablilty can't makes a tank better then other.LOL.

BTW Arjun's Power-to-weight ratio is 24:1 HP/ton & Ground pressure 0.84 kg/sq. cm.

it can't be a bad tank.

LOL !
Why??

Because it is chinese???

The right term should be mobility. adsH made a little error in his words, so what?? Let it go already.

about Type99 being not bad, compare it to Arjun MK1, yeah it's not bad at all. :lolol

 

[adsH]

If you move around on the ground it can be termed maneuverability.why wouldn't you want that in a tank. Under conditions like sandy dune's of desert the last thing you need is a tank Battle. Trust me there are times out in the desert terrain when you wish you had a vehicle that can move better not just look pritty and run a marathon on the National day Parade. There is alot that the Argun has to prove first it has to prove its worth to the INdian army which are most likely the only buyers the tanks would ever see. I have lived in a F****** desert like country and undoubtedly have seen open desert land. Mobility is a word i would associated with less aggressive platforms like general transport vehicles but when it comes down to Taking evasive action against enemy tank fire, then you would certainly need Maneuverability. "Real Indian", if you want me to explain the ENGLISH WORD "MANEUVERABILITY" More clearly then Just JUST SAY SO!!.

LOL

Is it an aircraft ? Dog fight ??????LOL

Maneuberablilty can't makes a tank better then other.LOL.

Hmm lets see now according to you Maneuverability is not something that is important for a tank. So tell me Real INDIAN.when a tank crew is being attacked by Hostile fire what would you propose a Tank crew should do. sit there dug in a position taking all the hits on its shell. or Try and EVADE those enemy fire

I stand By my view and that is that Argun is an expensive Paper weight. It was designed for combat but would never see it. its an expensive National day exhibitory item. Something the Indian's i believe call a White elephant. And the Only true match for the Chinese T99 is the Indian Acquired -Russian T-90s . I'm sure the Argun would find the term Maneuverability and Mobility just as hard to comprehend as The "REAL INDIAN" DID!!.

WORD = maneuverability

A strategic or tactical military or naval movement.

A large-scale tactical exercise carried out under simulated conditions of war. Often used in the plural.


A controlled change in movement or direction of a moving vehicle or vessel, as in the flight path of an aircraft.

A movement or procedure involving skill and dexterity.

A strategic action undertaken to gain an end.

Artful handling of affairs that is often marked by scheming and deceit. See Synonyms at wile.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=maneuverability

 

[RealIndian]

If you move around on the ground it can be termed maneuverability.why wouldn't you want that in a tank. Under conditions like sandy dune's of desert the last thing you need is a tank Battle. Trust me there are times out in the desert terrain when you wish you had a vehicle that can move better not just look pritty and run a marathon on the National day Parade. There is alot that the Argun has to prove first it has to prove its worth to the INdian army which are most likely the only buyers the tanks would ever see. I have lived in a F****** desert like country and undoubtedly have seen open desert land. Mobility is a word i would associated with less aggressive platforms like general transport vehicles but when it comes down to Taking evasive action against enemy tank fire, then you would certainly need Maneuverability. "Real Indian", if you want me to explain the ENGLISH WORD "MANEUVERABILITY" More clearly then Just JUST SAY SO!!.

Before Arjun's move to your desert country you have said alot.

Hmm lets see now according to you Maneuverability is not something that is important for a tank. So tell me Real INDIAN.when a tank crew is being attacked by Hostile fire what would you propose a Tank crew should do. sit there dug in a position taking all the hits on its shell. or Try and EVADE those enemy fire

I dont think Arjun need super maneuverability like MKI to evade enemy fire. :roll Arjun have enough self defence systems for that.

If your T-99 is so "maneuverable" then Arjun also have many features enabling a first look, first shot, first kill capability. :smokingc: :

I stand By my view and that is that Argun is an expensive Paper weight. It was designed for combat but would never see it. its an expensive National day exhibitory item. Something the Indian's i believe call a White elephant. And the Only true match for the Chinese T99 is the Indian Acquired -Russian T-90s . I'm sure the Argun would find the term Maneuverability and Mobility just as hard to comprehend as The "REAL INDIAN" DID!!.

You can stand at your place, no one care. But India's enemies have to care Arjun as they know it will kick their a##. I hope your country is not one of them. Chin T99 was designed for combat but would never see it. its an expensive National day exhibitory item. China have many weapons that even exists. These are paper weapons. :roll

 

[gf0012-aust]

Play nice folks. Lets not get too personal

 

[adsH]

Real Indian i never thought you were so dry, You blatantly copied My words literally!!. PLease use your own words to describe what you want to say in the future. First off My country is the United Kingdom . This is your problem its arrogance. Can some one explain Warfare to this Person i can't take it i have had it up to my limit explaining a concept to an over indulgent Arrogant person.

Underestimating your enemy is the first and the last mistake you would ever make , being so confident of your capabilities that you see defeat a far away concept is foolishness. Warfare is evasion tactics and original thinking, KNowing your weakness and your ability . this concept of Metal to Metal Died with the last generation of Armed forces. if you can't evade and protect these days then your out of the game and arjun might just turn out to be one of them. Well i am sure if your Argun enters my Nations territory i am sure The challenger's would Kick its Arse and send it back in bags of dismantled pieces of Junk for you to recycle.

MOD I apologize for saying all this stuff to Real Indian , i really am Sorry but you've got to Sympathize with me look at what i have to deal with!!!

 

[doggychow14]

Maneuverability is important for a tank. the t-99 is not at all a bad tank.

Army remains sceptical of Arjun tank
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NEW DELHI: The Army may have taken the delivery of the first five "indigenously-developed" Arjun main battle tanks (MBTs) on Saturday but it still remains slightly sceptical about the tank's combat worthiness and operational mobility.

"With its excessive weight and width, the Arjun tank has poor operational mobility. It will not be possible to rapidly move it from one area of operation to another on the existing tank transporters on our rail network," said a senior officer.

At 58.5 tonnes, the Arjun is much heavier than the newly-inducted T-90S Russian MBT, which weighs 46.5 tonnes, and is consequently less manoeuvrable.

"It may prove too heavy for some of our bridges. It's also yet to be fully proven that the recurring problems with its engine and fire control systems have been solved," said an officer.

http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_001696.shtml

the t-99 does have defences u know....the "dazzler"(laser defence system) the t-99G has reinforced armor and an imporved turret. RealIndian please give reasons of why the Arjun is superior. don't copy some1 elses words.

 

[RealIndian]

Maneuverability is important for a tank. the t-99 is not at all a bad tank.

Army remains sceptical of Arjun tank
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NEW DELHI: The Army may have taken the delivery of the first five "indigenously-developed" Arjun main battle tanks (MBTs) on Saturday but it still remains slightly sceptical about the tank's combat worthiness and operational mobility.

"With its excessive weight and width, the Arjun tank has poor operational mobility. It will not be possible to rapidly move it from one area of operation to another on the existing tank transporters on our rail network," said a senior officer.

At 58.5 tonnes, the Arjun is much heavier than the newly-inducted T-90S Russian MBT, which weighs 46.5 tonnes, and is consequently less manoeuvrable.

"It may prove too heavy for some of our bridges. It's also yet to be fully proven that the recurring problems with its engine and fire control systems have been solved," said an officer.

http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_001696.shtml

the t-99 does have defences u know....the "dazzler"(laser defence system) the t-99G has reinforced armor and an imporved turret. RealIndian please give reasons of why the Arjun is superior. don't copy some1 elses words.

I wanted to anger him as he uses words like "Argun"

RealIndian please give reasons of why the Arjun is superior.

Go and read my posts about Arjun in this thread. You are cliaming that t-99g is superior. But didnt give a single spec about it. LOL! :roll As much I know, in every aspect Arjun is much better then t-99g e.g. armour, FCS, missile, BMS, fire power etc.

Give some specs about t-99 from a cridable source for you claim.

 

[dabrownguy]

I'll give you reasons to run.
Barreled gun launching with accuracy and range.
Supperior penentration.
Probabily superior armour. Guesing...
Faster.
Better electronics. From Isreal...and BEL.
1500 HP German engine.
Less ground pressure per inch.
The ATGM.
The much praised spacious interior.
Happy?

 

[Pathfinder-X]

Before Arjun's move to your desert country you have said alot.

Arjun against Challenger 2, I'm guessing Arjun blows into pieces.

I dont think Arjun need super maneuverability like MKI to evade enemy fire. Arjun have enough self defence systems for that.

If your T-99 is so "maneuverable" then Arjun also have many features enabling a first look, first shot, first kill capability.

Enough self defence system?? A smoke grenade launcher and a laser warning system is hardly what I call enough.

What makes you think Arjun can get the first look, first shot, first kill?? A little too optimistic aren't you?

You can stand at your place, no one care. But India's enemies have to care Arjun as they know it will kick their a##. I hope your country is not one of them. Chin T99 was designed for combat but would never see it. its an expensive National day exhibitory item. China have many weapons that even exists. These are paper weapons.

Well I'm hoping the engine of Arjun won't die down due to heat before it engages enemy armour. And for your information, hundreds of Type-99 and Type-96 has already been delivered to PLA. By your standard of paper weapon, Arjun MK1 is the perfect example.

 

[RealIndian]

Before Arjun's move to your desert country you have said alot.

Arjun against Challenger 2, I'm guessing Arjun blows into pieces.

Hehe.....When I compared Arjun with C-2???????? Another shit!!! :roll

Enough self defence system?? A smoke grenade launcher and a laser warning system is hardly what I call enough.

Arjun have an Active Area Defence from Elbit, Arena, far better armour. What T-99 and C-2 have?

What makes you think Arjun can get the first look, first shot, first kill?? A little too optimistic aren't you?

NO. :smokingc:

First look: State-of-the-art night vision gear allowing the commander to identify a terget at ranges more then 5.5 km. LRF 10km+ .

first shot, first kill : LAHAT

Guidence: Semi-active laser homing.

Speed: High sub-sonic (280m/s).

Designaton: Direct & Indirect designaton, Beyond line-of-sight operation.

(Direct: Designaton by the firing platform
Indirect: Designaton by another platform, UAV, aircraft, ground designtor)


Trjectory : Lofted against tanks, Flat against helicopters.

Acuracy: Pin-Point.

Jamming immunity : Highly immune to jamming

Arjun can launch a 20kg FSAPDS/T 1A at hypersnic velocity (Mach 5+). This hyper velocity ammunition can defeat all the modern targets at a range of 5000 m and above. The shot is machined to a very high degree of precision with best CNC machines and online inspection to achieve the high standard of accuracy. The accuracy and consistency of the shot is of the order of 0.2 mil standard deviation.

Well I'm hoping the engine of Arjun won't die down due to heat before it engages enemy armour. And for your information, hundreds of Type-99 and Type-96 has already been delivered to PLA. By your standard of paper weapon, Arjun MK1 is the perfect example.

I hope you arenot a blind. Didn't u seen Arjun mk1 inducted into IA 7th August? I didnt t-99g is a paper weapon but china have many "weapons" that not even exists.

I'll give you reasons to run.
Barreled gun launching with accuracy and range.
Superior penentration of FSAPDS.
Much superior armour.
Faster.
Better electronics. From BEL.
1500 HP German engine.
Less ground pressure per inch.
The ATGM.
Happy?

To dabrow,

Yes. :

 

[gf0012-aust]

RealIndian. The Challenger 2 has Dorchester Armour. It is the 3rd iteration of Chobham and is recognised as the most powerful and capable armour system available. The US uses DU armour which is generally recognised as being of less capability. The US doesn't have access to Dorchester specs.

Comparing Arjun to Chally 2's armour protection is not only very optimistic - but doesn't stand up to all of the credible assessments made on MBT's.

 

[Pathfinder-X]

Hehe.....When I compared Arjun with C-2???????? Another *shuck*!!!

Next time you start disrespecting the achievement by others, think about the failure of Arjun MK1. That should cool your head down a bit. One of our armour battalion commander comment on the Arjun as A Junk Mainly Battered Tank, so you can imagine how "successful" people see it as.

Arjun have an Active Area Defence from Elbit, Arena, far better armour. What T-99 and C-2 have?.

I have no seen the Arena installed on the Arjun nor read article that confirms it does, thus have serious doubts on your statement. Challenger has one of the best armour developed. One more thing, Challenger has proven itself in both Gulf wars, Arjun's performance is talk on paper.

Arjun can launch a 20kg FSAPDS/T 1A at hypersnic velocity (Mach 5+). This hyper velocity ammunition can defeat all the modern targets at a range of 5000 m and above. The shot is machined to a very high degree of precision with best CNC machines and online inspection to achieve the high standard of accuracy. The accuracy and consistency of the shot is of the order of 0.2 mil standard deviation.

Not even the Germans can claim their L55 gun can defeat MBT armour at 5000meters, although severe damage could be caused. I serioiusly doubt Arjun's main gun could be more powerful than L55.

First look: State-of-the-art night vision gear allowing the commander to identify a terget at ranges more then 5.5 km. LRF 10km+

I don't know if you have ever served in armour unit in the army, but spotting a target beyond 3km is exceptionally difficult using NV. Also your view is limited by terrain and weather. Always remember battlefield does not adapt to your equipment, it's you that adapts to the battlefield. Specs on paper and real life it two different subject.

 

[RealIndian]

RealIndian. The Challenger 2 has Dorchester Armour. It is the 3rd iteration of Chobham and is recognised as the most powerful and capable armour system available. The US uses DU armour which is generally recognised as being of less capability. The US doesn't have access to Dorchester specs.

Comparing Arjun to Chally 2's armour protection is not only very optimistic - but doesn't stand up to all of the credible assessments made on MBT's.

Can you please say when I compared Arjun with Challenger 2 ?


To path

Next time you start disrespecting the achievement by others, think about the failure of Arjun MK1. That should cool your head down a bit. One of our armour battalion commander comment on the Arjun as A Junk Mainly Battered Tank, so you can imagine how "successful" people see it as.

And one of our doctor said that the commander was a mantel patient. :mad Can you believe this?

I have no seen the Arena installed on the Arjun nor read article that confirms it does, thus have serious doubts on your statement.

Go & check Globalsecurity.

Challenger has one of the best armour developed. One more thing, Challenger has proven itself in both Gulf wars, Arjun's performance is talk on paper.

Yeah Challenger proved itself against Iraqis. LOL! So it is one of the best tank in the world. EF Typhoon didnt proved itself, so its performance is talk on paper. LOL!

So on your words, India now needs to fight an war against Pakistan/China to prove Arjun's capability.

Protection

All round protection from anti-tank ammunition is achieved by t~e newly developed KANCHAN armour to a degree much higher than available in present generation tanks.

http://www.drdo.com/products/mbt.htm

Arjun's composite armour was a top secret project even Army didnt know much about. India Army using Arjun chassis for various future projects for exemple Tank-Ex, Bhim etc. DRDO also developed high strengh ERA but Arjun does not have any ERA because Arjun's armour is enough, it doesn't need any ERA.

Explosive Reactive Armour

http://www.drdo.com/pub/techfocus/feb04/explosive.htm


DRDO has mastered varieties of techniques in the areas of propellants, high explosives, pyrotechnics, polymers, etc. Development of ERA was altogether a new area, a challenging task. DRDO has accomplished this task successfully with totally indigenous efforts. This has placed DRDO on the world map of armour developers, a note of which has been taken by pioneer institutes like RAFAEL of Israel, Euromissile of France, etc.


Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) is an add-on armour designed to offer additional protection to tanks against shaped charge warheads of modern antitank guided missiles (ATGMs). Over the last two decades, DRDO has developed expertise in this vital technology and has a large database of various designs of ERA.

Responding to user requirements of providing additional protection to tank, DRDO has developed an ERA system, which effectively reduces penetration of Milan 2 shaped charge warhead to the extent of 70 per cent.

The ERA developed by DRDO is a sandwich of explosive and metal plates. The panels of ERA are assembled in metallic containers. When the jet of a shaped charge warhead hits ERA panel, explosive in it detonates. As a result, the plates are accelerated and start moving outward in normal direction. The moving plates and the detonaters render the jet ineffective which loses its penetration capability.

Based on RDX, a special type of sheet explosive has also been developed for ERA.This sheet explosive is waterproof. It is not cap sensitive and also quite insensitive to frition, impact and heat. However, it gets initiated by a shaped-charge jet.



The ERA technology has met all the requirements of the user and was accepted for introduction into the Indian Army. The production of ERA panels has commenced in the Ordnance factories.

Salient Features

Effectively reduces the penetration of warheads of modern ATGMs

Immune to detonation against small arms ammunition and artillery shell fragments

No sympathetic detonation of neighbouring panels when one panel explodes

Minimum collateral damage

The weight penalty is kept to the minimum about 1.5 ton per tank

No initiation by arc welding or by accidental drops

Tank mobility and manoeuvrability not compromisis

Functions with equal efficiency even after deep fording by the tank

Operational temperature ranges from 20 oC to +55 oC


The technology is totally indigenous, possesses high contemporary innovation element and has made the nation self-reliant in this vital field of military importance. It has saved foreign exchange by eliminating the necessity to import of this technology (estimated cost of ERA kit for one tank in foreign countries is around Rs 48 lakhs), and even has export potential. Being indigenous, the technology can be modified/upgraded with some efforts to meet similar other and futuristic requirements.

Not even the Germans can claim their L55 gun can defeat MBT armour at 5000meters, although severe damage could be caused. I serioiusly doubt Arjun's main gun could be more powerful than L55.

I dont know why you doubt in everything. But Arjun's this capability is claimed by the developer not any defence forum. I think they better know Arjun then your armour battalion commander. LOL

FSAPDS of Arjun can defeat single, double, triple heavy standard NATO targets upto 5000m and above.


120 Millimetre MBT Arjun Armament System

A state-of-the-art weapon and ammunition system has been developed by the DRDO for the Main Battle Tank (MBT) Arjun by adopting novel design concepts and latest technological advancement at par with the industrially advanced countries. The system is capable of destroying modern heavy targets up to a range of 5000 m. All aspects leading to ergonomics, product reliability, maintenance, ease of operation, and futuristic performance enhancement have been incorporated in the design of the system.

The following indigenous technologies have been developed and established during the course of the system development.

Electro slag refined (ESR) steel for gun barrels

Partial length autofrettaging of gun barrels

High pressure packing rings for recoil system

Tungsten alloy penetrators

Fin stabilised kinetic energy shot

Special alloy steel obturating cups for cartridge cases

Semi-combustible cartridge case and primer

http://www.drdo.org/pub/techfocus/feb02/arjun.htm


FSAPDS

FSAPDS is the primary antitank ammunition for Arjun. The complete FSAPDS round consists of semi-combustible cartridge case, semi-combustible primer with steel obturating cup, triple-base propellant, and wear-reducing additive liner. The sub-calibre kinetic energy projectile has a very high-density long rod tungsten alloy penetrator enclosed in a three-piece sabot segment and a tail unit for in-flight stability with tracer. The shot is machined to a very high degree of precision with best CNC machines and online inspection to achieve the high standard of accuracy. This hyper velocity ammunition can defeat all the modern targets at a range of 5000 m and above. The accuracy and consistency of the shot is of the order of 0.2 mil standard deviation.

I don't know if you have ever served in armour unit in the army, but spotting a target beyond 3km is exceptionally difficult using NV. Also your view is limited by terrain and weather.

Yes with a simple night vision on your hand you may not see 2km away. But Arjun's newly developed NV can ID a target at 5km away & can 'see' it at 6+ Km range. [ A guy from Israel claiming that it was developed with new MRI-TI Sighting System (Magnetic Resonance Imaging also called as Spin technology) with Israeli assistance. ]

And its unique capability is it can ID a target in any weather as it uses nuclear magnetic resonance instead of conventional IR NV systems.

Always remember battlefield does not adapt to your equipment, it's you that adapts to the battlefield. Specs on paper and real life it two different subject.

And you also remember that who are developing this technologies have better brain then you and me. They are very aware about what gonna happen in a battlefield.

At last, you don't want to believe that India can develop such tank and if it was a western country then you didn't have any problem. :roll

 

[gf0012-aust]

RealIndian, that was a nice little rant and you didn't actually achieve much at all.

BTW, the Israeli working on Arjun is named Denil, if you bother to check some of those Arjun threads on forums where he has posted, you'll see that both he and I have had technical discussions about Arjun - and that he agrees with me.

Challenger 2 is the only tank that has recorded a kill over 5km with a main gun - thats at terminal velocity - do you actually understand the ballistics for that to be achieved?

Challenger 2 is the only tank recorded to have killed 2 T72's with one round.

The Arjun 1 has been an abject failure - everyone in the IG or IDF knows it. With a bit of luck Arjun 2 will be completely different - and that is some way away yet.

Nobody questions your patriotism, but to carry on when all of your knowledge is blessed by the internet or magazines is a little rich. You are doing the very thing that you have periodically mocked other posters for doing. ie Believing media spin because it suits your patriotism.

 

[Pathfinder-X]

And one of our doctor said that the commander was a mantel patient. Can you believe this?

Oh so your Indian doctor can tell our commander is a mental patient from more than 15000km away?? My suggestion to you, save the nonsense. Arjun MK1 was a known failure, if it is so successful and better than Challenger, then there is absolutely no reason to develop the MK2.

Go & check Globalsecurity.

Globalsecurity never said Arena's been installed on Arjun. It said MIGHT! Learn the difference between has and MIGHT. Do you see the laser warning receiver similar to T-90s on Arjun? No. So therefore it's highly unlikely the system's been installed.

Yeah Challenger proved itself against Iraqis. LOL! So it is one of the best tank in the world. EF Typhoon didnt proved itself, so its performance is talk on paper. LOL!

So on your words, India now needs to fight an war against Pakistan/China to prove Arjun's capability.

Yes any weapon system that has no seen actual combat is basically talk on paper. Tests and military exercise are simply not the same as someone firing a SABOT at you. I don't know what you find to be so amusing and funny.
One more thing, India fought a war with China in 1962, I'm sure I don't have to remind you the results. The reason India lost, underestimating your foe and overconfident with yourself. The very same thing you are doing now.

I dont know why you doubt in everything. But Arjun's this capability is claimed by the developer not any defence forum. I think they better know Arjun then your armour battalion commander. LOL

FSAPDS of Arjun can defeat single, double, triple heavy standard NATO targets upto 5000m and above.

The L55 gun can penetrate the M1A2 armour at the maxium distance of 2500 to 3000 meters. Which makes me think, either Indian manage to beat the German's at their best field or they exaggerated the result. I'm guessing the second.

Yes with a simple night vision on your hand you may not see 2km away. But Arjun's newly developed NV can ID a target at 5km away & can 'see' it at 6+ Km range. [ A guy from Israel claiming that it was developed with new MRI-TI Sighting System (Magnetic Resonance Imaging also called as Spin technology) with Israeli assistance. ]

And its unique capability is it can ID a target in any weather as it uses nuclear magnetic resonance instead of conventional IR NV systems.

Simple NV? NV on board a upgraded Leopard C2 can hardly be classified as simple. Ideally it can spot targets at about 5km, but that was tested in the praries in open ground where you can see for miles. In real life, what allows you to sit still and observe to see how far you can spot a target?

And you also remember that who are developing this technologies have better brain then you and me. They are very aware about what gonna happen in a battlefield.

At last, you don't want to believe that India can develop such tank and if it was a western country then you didn't have any problem.

So what if he's got a few science degrees? Who's more aware of a battlefield? A R&D industry expert in his office or grunt on the field?

As for your last statement, I merely pointed out the Arjun wasn't as successful as you think it is, but you fail to accept it. You know it really doesn't matter to me. I won't lose a few pounds just because you don't accept.

 

[doggychow14]

the Chinese usually inducts in large quantities. there were only 4 arjuns at the parade.....in 1999 there were 18 t-99's. by now i can assure u the chinese will have a lot more than 18 with t-99G production lines spitting out tanks. For example, look at how many flankers the Chinese obtained in a reletively short period of time. how many does India have? 50???

 

[adsH]

The much praised spacious interior.
Happy?

i am sure they can turn it into an apartment when they need a place to Stay over , i wonder if you could fit a couch and a tele init would make one hell of a place to live.

DRDO also developed high strengh ERA but Arjun does not have any ERA because Arjun's armour is enough, it doesn't need any ERA.

Do you honestly balieve that. if it is true then it must be one of the thickest armour availble, no wonder it cant move !!

BTW ERA does not provide strength it is a protective suite like a jacket of Explosive of low yield. that detonate on contact with Anti tank ammunitions there fore providing a limited scope of protection.

i am sure he IDF would never never bother equipping ERA on ArJUN, becasue it will never see combat. if it was ever built to be used in conflicts then India would have not purchased T90s from Russia.

Yeah Challenger proved itself against Iraqis. LOL! So it is one of the best tank in the world.

finally thank-you for agreeing with us we almost gave up on you, your not a lost case after all, there's still some hope

EF Typhoon didnt proved itself, so its performance is talk on paper. LOL

WTF is wrong with you EF 2000 is one of the most versatile and reputable combat fighters available today. it has been built by some of the most biggest and brilliant Defense firms in the world, the platform is reliable and extremely effective. Just becasue the media can't find something wrong with the Defense Ministry (running dry on stories to tell). they go around cooking up B*** S*** on the EF2000. If this was the case then EF2000 wouldn't have been so popular.

 

[doggychow14]

soon they'll be comparing the Arjun to the leopard a6 and MKI to the F-22. Neither the Arjun nor the T-99/T-99G are better than the C2

 

[dabrownguy]

Lets do that. Leo and Arjun look the same. Why not. I want to compare MKI with F-16 Blc 60.