Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates 2.0
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iambuzzard
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It looks like 8 on each ship. I'm not sure how many hulls.How many Anzacs have NSM fitted now? 3 or 4?
I wouldn't trust Johnston to tie his shoe laces.I didn't know our national shipbuilding strategy had so much commonality with Victoria's big build, ie talk about continuity but with a focus to line the pockets of your Union mates and secure their long term relevance (and resulting donations) in a bloated and slow infrastructure build. It's more about padding than the actual output.
I digress but on a mental note, if Dutton does build a state owned nuclear reactor, we need to be very careful about who is tasked to build it if he wants it on time and budget. My mind goes to Snowy 2.0 meets Hinkley Point C ...
And to think David Johnson thought he couldn't trust ASC to build a canoe ...
Yes I got off topic but these delays are unacceptable and the ANAO should be lighting a fire under it.
An election coming so Murdoch sticks the boot into Australian industry, what a suprise.
BAE staff have just gone out on strike, it appears their wages are 20% below current market rates, and they've only been offered 12% over three years. That sure doesn't sound like the unions have been rorting etc. it actually sounds like they have let their members down.
Lots of speculation around at the moment, about the only facts I've seen recently are, the RAN has six Collins class boats, they were built by ASC, designed by Kockums and they are getting a life extension. Pretty much everything else is people who don't know guessing.
downunderblue
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Including the d/PM by the sounds of it.I wouldn't trust Johnston to tie his shoe laces.
An election coming so Murdoch sticks the boot into Australian industry, what a suprise.
BAE staff have just gone out on strike, it appears their wages are 20% below current market rates, and they've only been offered 12% over three years. That sure doesn't sound like the unions have been rorting etc. it actually sounds like they have let their members down.
Lots of speculation around at the moment, about the only facts I've seen recently are, the RAN has six Collins class boats, they were built by ASC, designed by Kockums and they are getting a life extension. Pretty much everything else is people who don't know guessing.
I'm not anti union but tired of bloated contracts. I saw the AMWU press release about the 30% increase request over 3 years with only 15% offered. As for whether they are underpaid or overpaid etc, it all depends upon scarcity. I just don't want to see the bill going up in similar fashion.
The Allen govt was asked how they could afford paying nurses some 30% more over 3 years (or similar) to which the new Premier replied "the usual way". She meant debt borrowing but didn't have the guts to say it.
Public monies should always be utilised like they're your own, and to quote someone, you ego can't keep writing cheques you body can't cash.
As for Johnson, he was widely criticised due to his language but he did have a point.
I've worked in engineering on major projects for decades, our pay is, if not below what we were paid a decade or decade and a half ago, well below CPI. In the same time financial sector and non technical PMs salaries have gone through the roof, literally doubled in some cases.Including the d/PM by the sounds of it.
I'm not anti union but tired of bloated contracts. I saw the AMWU press release about the 30% increase request over 3 years with only 15% offered. As for whether they are underpaid or overpaid etc, it all depends upon scarcity. I just don't want to see the bill going up in similar fashion.
The Allen govt was asked how they could afford paying nurses some 30% more over 3 years (or similar) to which the new Premier replied "the usual way". She meant debt borrowing but didn't have the guts to say it.
Public monies should always be utilised like they're your own, and to quote someone, you ego can't keep writing cheques you body can't cash.
As for Johnson, he was widely criticised due to his language but he did have a point.
Reality check, the issues we are having is project management, contract management, administration and management in general, the highest paid are the least qualified, the least professional and the least competent. Yet the blame is thrown at those who deign, build and fix things.
Maybe if the people who actually needed to be qualified to do their jobs were paid more than the unqualified people who manage, if they, instead of unqualified managers, were in-charge, things would be better?
Many managers used to be engineers or even came off the tools, now they are admin people who fall into PM, contracts and administration roles. Think on that.
I wasn't going to say it, but I need to. The kids who weren't good at maths and science, follow an easier, kinder path into device related roles. Because of the low intellectual bar, and the lack of anything actually quantifiable, they are promoted on popularity and likability. They end up as senior managers and directors, decision makers.
The actual doers, the smart skilled people, unless they strike out on their own as sole traders contractors or consultants, are subordinate to the popular but dumb ones. Actually, even if they are contractors or consultants, they are still subordinate to the dumb fs.
Then when shot goes wrong, who gets the blame? The dumb f manager? No it's the smart person who wasn't listened to.
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