Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates 2.0
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Amazing the US is desperately trying and admittedly failing to boost its submarine production from 1.2 to maybe 2.3 vessels a year largely in response to the threat from China.
No such sense of urgency from Australia when it comes to building the Hunter Frigates. You would think they would move heaven and earth to boost production given the precarious state of the navy but no. Instead we are plodding along at the same rate we planned all those years ago.
What is more important a build rate that avoids the "valley of death" or meeting threat requirements ? , I know it sounds simplistic but future job layoffs I would suggest as the lesser harm to our country than being underprepared because of historic lack of ship building has left the navy exposed
Anzac is well on the way through its stripping, at this stage she may be handed over to the scrappers mid-year.
Going Boeing
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Do you know if the MK41 VLS and the gun are suitable for fitting to the new GPF - I imagine that the longer barrel version of the gun would be desirable?
iambuzzard
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As a layman I believe both options can take the Mk.41, preferably strike length to give more options for missile load out. Not sure about the barrel length of the gun but it will be 127mm for commonality with the rest of the fleet. Both designs have room for 32 VLS cells.
The valley of death is the simplest thing to avoid and we have gone the stupidest way about it possible.
There is no “valley of death” if we order sufficient numbers of ships… There wouldn’t have been one if we’d ordered a 4th, 5th, 6th etc Hobart and paid off ANZAC’s to crew and pay for sustainment of them and we’d have a fleet in a much better condition if we did.
But of course as usual we took the parsimonious route.
The slow march build is designed to do nothing more than save money.
It’s disgraceful.
For such a long term ship building endeavour providing a fleet for the navy I’m sure we could accommodate the current and future manufacturing consistency with planning and discipline.
Short term needs should trump what manufacturing needs we may or may not have in the 2040s.
the Hunters should hit the accelerator as best they can.
SEA 3000 should not exist but it doe for the neglect of the past and the challenges we face today and the immediate future.
We need ships and Subs ASAP
NUSHIP Arafura has arrived at FBE. Image Source : ADF Image Library
"NUSHIP Arafura is the first of its class Offshore Patrol Vessel, delivered under project SEA 1180-1 by Luerssen Australia. NUSHIP Arafura arrived at Fleet Base West, Western Australia in March 2025, following its transit from Osborne Naval Shipyard in South Australia. Upon arrival, NUSHIP Arafura will commence preparations for its introduction into service. NUSHIP Arafura was accepted by Defence in January 2025 for further test and evaluation, ahead of delivery to the Royal Australian Navy."
"NUSHIP Arafura is the first of its class Offshore Patrol Vessel, delivered under project SEA 1180-1 by Luerssen Australia. NUSHIP Arafura arrived at Fleet Base West, Western Australia in March 2025, following its transit from Osborne Naval Shipyard in South Australia. Upon arrival, NUSHIP Arafura will commence preparations for its introduction into service. NUSHIP Arafura was accepted by Defence in January 2025 for further test and evaluation, ahead of delivery to the Royal Australian Navy."
iambuzzard
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Look at the Japanese method of ship building. Contract a dozen Mogamis, then contract a dozen Evolved Mogamis, then design the next to follow them. No Valley Of Death. And the Americans have been building ABs for decades. Our politicians and bureaucracy are just stupid.
I didn't say only, but the issue is "
I imagine someone like him would actually agree with me.
A clerk or admin person isn't an ADFA graduate of any shape or form, nor are they a lawyer, an economist or an accountant, they are a clerk or an admin person. They are not specialists, nor are they professionals, yet they are appointed as contract managers, administration managers and project managers, without having had to undertake any formal study, or sit any professional boards.
They are put in-charge of engineers, techos, lawyers, accountants, systems specialists etc. They specialise in nothing so, by default are seen as "generalists", while ironically, specialists, with multiple specialities are not.
I have worked with and know many people who have advanced skills, even mastery, in multiple fields, who are considered to be specialists in one field only and "well educated morons" by absolute dumb F's who may, or may not have a cert 3 in business or maybe even a "more bugger all" (MBA).
I am a great believer in on the job training and recognition of prior learning, I enjoy and support others in professional development. I believe one of the biggest wanks is Engineers Australia redefining a professional engineer exclusively as someone who has completed a four year engineering degree.
My objection is to the incompetent, ignorant, unqualified, inexperienced people who are appointed and promoted of "fit".
Keith Woolahan sounds like a really impressive and talented individual, and eminently qualified as well, which has me wondering why you brought him up as counter to my comment?
I imagine someone like him would actually agree with me.
A clerk or admin person isn't an ADFA graduate of any shape or form, nor are they a lawyer, an economist or an accountant, they are a clerk or an admin person. They are not specialists, nor are they professionals, yet they are appointed as contract managers, administration managers and project managers, without having had to undertake any formal study, or sit any professional boards.
They are put in-charge of engineers, techos, lawyers, accountants, systems specialists etc. They specialise in nothing so, by default are seen as "generalists", while ironically, specialists, with multiple specialities are not.
I have worked with and know many people who have advanced skills, even mastery, in multiple fields, who are considered to be specialists in one field only and "well educated morons" by absolute dumb F's who may, or may not have a cert 3 in business or maybe even a "more bugger all" (MBA).
I am a great believer in on the job training and recognition of prior learning, I enjoy and support others in professional development. I believe one of the biggest wanks is Engineers Australia redefining a professional engineer exclusively as someone who has completed a four year engineering degree.
My objection is to the incompetent, ignorant, unqualified, inexperienced people who are appointed and promoted of "fit".
Also greater use of subcontracts and fabricating block in other yards.
The AWD wasn't a bad model in many ways.
In theory yes. The gun has already been removed, just waiting on the VLS to come out.
iambuzzard
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Like yesterday
iambuzzard
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Looks good. Just needs a 40mm gun up forward.
iambuzzard
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Volks, always the voice of sanity!