Saudi considers T-95 MBTs?

Waylander

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Is it just me or does the frontal ERA protection is not as wide covered as the crew should want it to be?
 

Waylander

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I thought more about the frontal hull.

You are right when stating that the turret benefits from the Katus attachements.
 

eckherl

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I thought more about the frontal hull.

You are right when stating that the turret benefits from the Katus attachements.
I would think that they can do this seeings how it looks like they have gone with a new redesigned hull.
 

hudi82

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Can anyone explain me what relation have DU rounds and rifled/smoothbored guns? I cant see any...
DU are used in sabots for cannons as they have a much higher density than steel. to fire sabots one need a smooth bored gun as they are usually fin stabilized and thats because of rotation stabilization is not the way to go with long projectiles.
 

eckherl

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DU are used in sabots for cannons as they have a much higher density than steel. to fire sabots one need a smooth bored gun as they are usually fin stabilized and thats because of rotation stabilization is not the way to go with long projectiles.
Yes DU is the way to go, but a KE penetrator fired out of a rifled bore is also fin stabilized and doesn`t lack much in performance.
 

hudi82

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Yes DU is the way to go, but a KE penetrator fired out of a rifled bore is also fin stabilized and doesn`t lack much in performance.
DU is a type of Kinetic Energy round, there was trials for the 105mm type spiral bored canon but I don't think they were very successful. I don't think its possible to use fin stabilization while rotating.

DU is NOT the way to go because of the environmental hazards upon impact. I would rather see wolfram or other hard metal instead of DU.
 

eckherl

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DU is a type of Kinetic Energy round, there was trials for the 105mm type spiral bored canon but I don't think they were very successful. I don't think its possible to use fin stabilization while rotating.

DU is NOT the way to go because of the environmental hazards upon impact. I would rather see wolfram or other hard metal instead of DU.
We were using fin stabilized sabots for years in the 105mm, its all in the design of the rotating bands on the projectile. Both smoothbore and rifled sabots will give you pedal seperation between 200 - 300 meters after leaving the gun tube thus operating within the same performance parameters.

At the current time there is nothing that is on par with DU penetration, Tungsten is the closest out there but you still run into the issue of projectile mushrooming or rod bendage. The U.S and Russia will stick with DU at the present time.
 
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swerve

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DU is a type of Kinetic Energy round, there was trials for the 105mm type spiral bored canon but I don't think they were very successful. I don't think its possible to use fin stabilization while rotating.
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Challenger has a rifled gun & fin-stabilised ammo. Also Arjun. And there's a wide variety of finstabilised ammo made for other rifled guns, e.g. 105mm (as Eckherl said), used by various armies, 100mm, used in T-55 variants . . . etc, etc.
 

Viktor

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So then we are to assume that Saudi Arabia has had a showing of a different tank model besides Black Eagle.
Yes as it seems Saudies are interested in T-95 (who knows what will be its new designation) whitch is radicaly new concept but just as posible is journalist typo. So Russians are according to later coments very confident they will won the concrat and only that we will be sure.
 

eckherl

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Yes as it seems Saudies are interested in T-95 (who knows what will be its new designation) whitch is radicaly new concept but just as posible is journalist typo. So Russians are according to later coments very confident they will won the concrat and only that we will be sure.
I bet it was a typo error, it is official that Saudi Arabia will be purchasing around 150 T-90`s.

I am well aware of the Black Eagle designation, what I would like to know is the tank that looks like the Black Eagle but the suspension has be lengthened and a extra set of roadwheels have been added, 7 versus the usaul 6 found on the T -72 or T - 80 series.
 

Turk

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I think Saudi Arabia consider Lecrerc and Al khalid because they have alrady started to try Al khalid main battle tank.
 

eckherl

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I think Saudi Arabia consider Lecrerc and Al khalid because they have alrady started to try Al khalid main battle tank.
Even though Saudi Arabia has good relations with Pakistan, I cannot see them going to the Al Khalid. They are fully aware of some of the limitations that are a issue with the T-80 or T - 72 series vehicles which in a nut shell is basically what this is with a twist/modifications package from China.
The T -90`s that they are purchasing are probably going to another country.
The Leclerc sounds more feasable to me due to logistics concerns which is already a nightmare in Saudi Arabia.
 
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