This picture has been floating around out there for a couple of years now. Probably another test bed.Is this photo confirmed?
I mean, there could also be a mock up under the coverage.
They should make an exclusive photo press conference for DT.
Saudi considers T-95 MBTs?
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It was succesfull enouth - see Iran vs Iraq war. Or even Iraq - Kuweit war. A good example of counterporary East-West tank designs clashes in the hands of almost equal capable armies. Of course, they had no chances against superior USA war machine...
You got that right.
Saudi Arabia is more likely to see an internal threat in regards of a revolt or coup trying to get rid of the royal family. The royal saudi family is after what I hear very hated by the average Saudi. They have drained the country of its wealth, I heard something of a 70-75% downfall in GDP per capita over the last 30 years, it is said that beggars are everywhere today. And I also read some years ago that the Saudi ruler wanted to spend his summer vacation in southern spain and ended up using something in the extent of 25 mio $ in a couple of weeks. It is furthermore said that a 1/3 of Saudi Arabia's annual GDP is military budget another 1/3 is the royal family's budget, while the last 1/3 is the entire Kingdom's budget. I don't know how much of this is true but it should anyway give a fertile soil for an anti-royal saudi feeling, and which might explain the recent years' activity from muslim militants in the kingdom. Therefore Saudi Arabia actually operates 2 armies! the regular army for external threats and the SNG for internal threats. The SNG, being recruited among saudi royal loyalists, is supposed to prevent any coup (maybe from the military itself) and protect the royal family. Regarding the interest in non-US military hardware, might be explained by the Saudis are in progress of being replaced by Iraq (or that's the plan) as a major oil supplying ally, and furthermore the fact that many of the international terrorists are saudi nationals may have made it very difficult for Saudis to acquire US military hardware , since relationship with Washington DC isn't that warm (wasn't there a block against a Saudi plan for the acquirement of a large number of F-16's) the saudis are looking elsewhere for weapons as to stay updated and modern and to avoid any embargo regarding further acquirements of arms and the very very very important spare parts.. The same thing I think happened to Pakistan, many Pakistani terrorists internationally, US not that happy --> no more weapons for Pakistan --> major cooperation with China in Arms producition....
This is my personal oppinion on the case, If I am wrong either correct me or ignore)
This is my personal oppinion on the case, If I am wrong either correct me or ignore
)The problem with the Saudis they arent ready to cooperate with the Russian autorities regarding to Chechen wahhabits persecution. Contrary SA is the most hospitable refugium for them from the early 90th. Then I think they should better follow to buy from the US all they need, and if one day Wash. DC decides to promote 'iraqi democracy' for them, let it be ameen...
In some sense you are right, but things are changing, now the first priority would be to stay in power, hospitality or not, somehow the saudis are not that eager to buy russian hardware and therefore the choice of aircraft fell on the EF-2000 when they couldn't buy F-16s, I think Saudi - american relations are dettering, although mrs Rice visited Saudi arabia lately, after 9/11 things are simply not the same.. Where would you people think saudi arabia would be in terms of military hardware in let us say 20 years? still buying european? russian? or maybe chinese? how about indigenous arms prod in ME? (middle east)
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Yet another type of tank!! I dont think this would be wise enough. The Saudis already have three different types of tanks (although the AMX-30s are in storage and will probably be sold to Lebanon). Purchasing yet another type of tank would mean separate training and maintenance costs. No wonder why they spend billions for their relatively small army.
oh no I meant not buying yet another type of tank, more in terms of where would they buy them from in the future?
saudi mbt
i cant see why the challenger 2 hasnt been included in their considerations.it is one of only 2 western battle proven tanks in the world and is generally considered to be operationally superior to the abraams.the uk hasnt lost one to enemy fire and its armour and fire control system is better than the abraams too.is it just because the saudis dont want to put too much business britains way after the typhoon sale.i know trhey like to spread their defence orders around?
i cant see why the challenger 2 hasnt been included in their considerations.it is one of only 2 western battle proven tanks in the world and is generally considered to be operationally superior to the abraams.the uk hasnt lost one to enemy fire and its armour and fire control system is better than the abraams too.is it just because the saudis dont want to put too much business britains way after the typhoon sale.i know trhey like to spread their defence orders around?
Logic isn't an important issue in these countries sometimes, and believe me I know hehe, I think they are making the same trick some of the Gulf states made, they are showing "interest" in other designs and suppliers which will make the original supplier either dump the price or give them a very lucrative offer to keep hold of their costumer, which I think the saudis and the gulf states are very allowed to do since they spend so much money on weaponry most often money ending being spent at western suppliers, it's strictly businessi cant see why the challenger 2 hasnt been included in their considerations.it is one of only 2 western battle proven tanks in the world and is generally considered to be operationally superior to the abraams.the uk hasnt lost one to enemy fire and its armour and fire control system is better than the abraams too.is it just because the saudis dont want to put too much business britains way after the typhoon sale.i know trhey like to spread their defence orders around?
the challenger fcs is an improved and updated version of the abraams system.the british army insisted on the best fcs possible when the challenger 2 was being developed following the disappointing results in the 1987 cat trials in canada when challenger 1 finished in last place.the abraams system was seen to be the best fcs in existance then so the vds team elected to incorporate an improved varient of the m1a1 fcs.
I never heard of this before so thanks for the info. I knew thT the FCS is developed and produced by Computing Devices Company of Ontario (Canada) but I did not knew that they also produce the FCS for the Abrams.
But if it's right you have to consider that the M1A2 also has an improved version of the former FCS.
So both tanks field an improved version of the same FCS.
But if it's right you have to consider that the M1A2 also has an improved version of the former FCS.
So both tanks field an improved version of the same FCS.
Please provide me with a resource on this, I have been on a Challie 2 and I have even busted a few caps on one. They do not use the same FCS, M1A2 is in a league of its own, with the German LEO2A6 in Sweden and Spain service coming in at a close second.
There should be no difference between the Strv122 (Sweden), Leo 2E (Spain), Leo 2 A5/A6 (Germany) and Leopard 2 HEL Greece) when it comes to FCS.
All of them are using the same FCS only the optics differ (Which for sure also can give you an advantage).
All of them are using the same FCS only the optics differ (Which for sure also can give you an advantage).
Thats what I meant Waylander, I shot that one out on the fly, also let me add that the LEO has one of the best suspensions out there.
Huh - thats a little ironic seeings how they are in the process of changing out the maingun and FCS on the Challie 2 due to not living up to there expectations.
Sorry, I missunderstood this.
I thought you think there is a difference between Strv122/Leo 2E and other modernized versions.