The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[John Fedup]

Well he's business survivor, he has ups and down so does much of businessman. However what matters is, the way that his politics style has reflection on how his businesses style. So understanding his business style seems will give insight how's he approach on doing his POTUS style.

I am guessing his business survival wasn’t due to wisdom but rather wise guys (probably Italian and Russian ones).

 

[swerve]

His personal business survival is often accompanied by the failure of the businesses he runs, so other shareholders find themselves holding worthless paper, workers are laid off, & suppliers don't get paid, while he walks off with a lot of money.

Voting for him on the grounds of his business acumen seems to me to be about as wise as investing in a minority stake in one of his businesses, or selling to one of his businesses on credit.

 

[John Fedup]

His personal business survival is often accompanied by the failure of the businesses he runs, so other shareholders find themselves holding worthless paper, workers are laid off, & suppliers don't get paid, while he walks off with a lot of money.

Voting for him on the grounds of his business acumen seems to me to be about as wise as investing in a minority stake in one of his businesses, or selling to one of his businesses on credit.

Yup, about as wise as paying tuition fees at failed Trump University....mind you, what kind of moron would hire a Trump U graduate if Trump U hadn't gone down the drain? Whoops, forgot about the MAGA feeble-tons.

 

[Fredled]

Meme of the day:

Link to related article (Ukrinform)

IMO, this is a nice trick to tell Trump that if he wants his rare earths, Ukraine, with the help of the US, should first liberate territories occupied by Russia.
It could backfire if Putin offers Trump to mine rare earths directly in Russia. But I don't think that he will do so, or that Trump will be able to accept a proposal from Putin.

 

[Big_Zucchini]

This is nonsense. Israel is both a buyer of EU made weapons & equipment & a supplier to EU countries.

For example, Italy operates Israeli AEW systems, fitted to US business jets in Israel, & is buying more. Israel has Italian jet trainers & ground-based systems which work with them. The Israeli navy has German submarines & corvettes, with Italian guns. Germany is buying Israeli radars, e.g. for warships, & MRLS & ATGMs. In 2019-23 30% of Israel's military equipment imports were from Germany. Denmark is buying Israeli 155mm SP guns & MRLs, & Israeli firms are competing to supply air defence systems. A few years ago Lithuania was complaining about Israel - because weapons Lithuania had ordered from Israel weren't being delivered on time. It was settled after a while, & Lithuania's now buying more. Estonia has Israeli ATGMs, anti-ship missiles & UAVs. Latvia has ATGMs (20 EU countries have bought Spike). Sweden - UAVs.

And so on . . . .

EU -> Israel
Multiple key nations imposing arms embargos or obstacles for trade.
2019-2023 were peak years because of the delivery of Sa'ar 6 ships and submarines. Germany was uniquely positioned to supply such vessels as one of only few builders in those categories, and besides Germany is the only country in Europe that's actually an ally to Israel and has the capacity to be useful.
Other friendly nations lack the defense industry.
Defense imports from the rest of Europe are minimal because they're not dependable. They're cut off immediately when there's war, chief among them the UK which sees it as a national sport.


Israel -> EU

Israel's MIC is focused on local maintenance capability and low rate production of critical items. It's able to produce its own ammo for example, but at least not at all sufficient to support an ongoing war effort.
Due to Israel's frequent wars, its MIC would essentially be restocking in between, and would be of little use to Europe in terms of total work done.
What it can contribute is reference designs to facilitate local production in Europe. That much is assured no matter how hostile these nations become.
That is not what makes one a strategic arms supplier. Far from it.


This brings me back to my point that the US is irreplaceable for Europe, no matter how hard they try. It could be replaceable, had Europe not abandoned security these past 30 years.

 

[John Fedup]

EU -> Israel
Multiple key nations imposing arms embargos or obstacles for trade.
2019-2023 were peak years because of the delivery of Sa'ar 6 ships and submarines. Germany was uniquely positioned to supply such vessels as one of only few builders in those categories, and besides Germany is the only country in Europe that's actually an ally to Israel and has the capacity to be useful.
Other friendly nations lack the defense industry.
Defense imports from the rest of Europe are minimal because they're not dependable. They're cut off immediately when there's war, chief among them the UK which sees it as a national sport.


Israel -> EU

Israel's MIC is focused on local maintenance capability and low rate production of critical items. It's able to produce its own ammo for example, but at least not at all sufficient to support an ongoing war effort.
Due to Israel's frequent wars, its MIC would essentially be restocking in between, and would be of little use to Europe in terms of total work done.
What it can contribute is reference designs to facilitate local production in Europe. That much is assured no matter how hostile these nations become.
That is not what makes one a strategic arms supplier. Far from it.


This brings me back to my point that the US is irreplaceable for Europe, no matter how hard they try. It could be replaceable, had Europe not abandoned security these past 30 years.

Lots agree with but the US (albeit to a lesser degree) screwed up as well cutting back key programs like the F-22 and Sea Wolf SSNs, both of which would be more useful now in larger numbers. The manufacturing MIC has shrunk somewhat as well; but worse still, just like other NATO members, ammo inventory was allowed to shrink. Yes, like Russia, they can ramp up, but compared to China, a decade or more is needed. The Asia-Pacific $hitstorm is probably happening sooner.

 

[seaspear]

The U.S is ramping up its production of 155mm shells according to this article also that older shells do age out over time ,the U.S will refurbish its stockpile quickly a question would be would it sell to Ukraine ? did the expense of the upgrade to capacity to manufacture come out of funds that were assigned to Ukraine

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2024/9/11/arms-manufacturers-catching-up-with-worlds-insatiable-need-for-155mm-rounds

This article supplies a breakdown of how much is spent in the U.S developing aid to Ukraine

How Much U.S. Aid Is Going to Ukraine?

Nine charts illustrate the extraordinary level of support the United States has provided Ukraine in its war against Russian invaders.

www.cfr.org

 

[Redshift]

Well he's business survivor, he has ups and down so does much of businessman. However what matters is, the way that his politics style has reflection on how his businesses style. So understanding his business style seems will give insight how's he approach on doing his POTUS style.

In his business only he and his family matter, his employees, investors and customers suffer, If he treats the US like this, and given the Trump merch he has sold them to date is anything to go by, he intends to treat the US in the same way.