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Rather I have zero faith in the Indonesian government's ability to maintain OPSEC of something that highly classified.

Well US already agree for F-15EX, and from my understanding on F-35 (including what I learned in this forum), what makes F-35 highly classified is the operational network environment that integrate toward US ones. So if green light also given for F-35 partly toward LM Lobby, then most likely US will give bespoke electronics set.

It is not without precedence, US basically sold India P-8I with bespoke sensors and electronics set that have some difference from US and Nato/Allies sets. For one thing it is what India wants for their independent network, also that's mean India P-8 also not integrate toward US environment security. The Frenchie Salesman call it 'monkey' version, and for me that's BS. India wants electronics and sensors that meet their own network requirements, especially something that's give them independent control.

For that US/LM potentially can provide also bespoke electronics and sensors setup that also meet Indonesia own network environment and capacity. I suspect similar thing also being prepared by Boeing for their F-15ID offer. Something that'll meet Indonesia environment while not jeopardizing US networks.

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I ridicule Frenchie Salesman from time to time, not because he's a Salesman. However because he is trying so hard to shown himself as neutral defense 'expert' in public. That's hypocrite that I deplored. Still I wish him luck on getting those US order switches to French. Considering Indonesia already invest big time with Rafale, personally it is better then add more Rafale then invest on F-15EX or F-35 environment. At this time around that possibility I do sense still possible.

 

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https://x.com/Kemhan_RI/status/1810823267923701920?s=19 https://www.facebook.com/share/v/PDotf72ePdDqvPiQ/?mibextid=SphRi8 Video from Indonesian MinDef of Su-30MK2 doing recent exercise in East Java. Including in the exercise aerial refueling between Flankers and KC-130B. Personally I just...

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PTDI Looks To CN-235 Conversion For Future Projects | Aviation Week Network

PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) sees itself focusing on special-mission conversions for its CN-235 turboprop transport aircraft, as it looks to keep it relevant in the international market.

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More clarity on previous information on DI and Havelsan co-op on AEW. It is project on using CN-235 as platform with Havelsan tech. While DI also in talk with Scytalys on developing ASW version on CN-235 platform.

Now DI themselves already have work with Thales before for MPA version, seems they want to further developing that with ASW capabilities. Intersting choice for Turkiye partner on AEW project, while Greece partner on ASW project.

 

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I ridicule Frenchie Salesman from time to time, not because he's a Salesman. However because he is trying so hard to shown himself as neutral defense 'expert' in public. That's hypocrite that I deplored. Still I wish him luck on getting those US order switches to French.

Oh I am aware. I had the opportunity to engage with him once. He does seem to understand the bigger picture of geopolitics with regards to the Indo-Pacific, but rather it's because he gets a lot of kickbacks from the French is why he's like that. He knows that at the end of the day US capabilities in their equipment most often than not far exceeds what the French can do.

I have another colleague who works for CSIS who's the same way. Give them a ride on an Armee de l'Air MRTT/A400, in depth tour of a French Navy ship, maybe a chance to work with their counterparts in France; they would eventually start preaching 'Marchon, Marchon!' from the rooftops. The French are happy to accommodate these types of Academics in Indonesia since they know that they have some influence with publicity and the procurement chain, and it costs them literally nothing in the grand scheme of things. It's the same way with Connie Bakrie and the Chinese.

The US on the other hand are using traditional advertising, but it doesn't work as well if the only people they advertise to are the policymakers who often defer to the people I mentioned above.

 

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More clarity on previous information on DI and Havelsan co-op on AEW. It is project on using CN-235 as platform with Havelsan tech.

While the CN-235 is a PT DI product and would lower the cost, I guess one question is why not go for a bigger jet platform, like Global Express or ERJ145? It will provide more flexibility with better weight margins, faster time to station etc or even the more modern C-295 if want to keep in the same turboprop family?

 

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guess one question is why not go for a bigger jet platform, like Global Express or ERJ145?

Indonesian Aerospace chief looks to N219, offset opportunities

Indonesian Aerospace is focused on boosting sales of its N219 twin-turboprop, as it seeks to grow its capabilities through military offset work.

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prospective Indonesian Aerospace/Havelsan grouping were to win a contract for an AEW&C aircraft, Amperiawan envisages his company serving as the prime contractor. Asked about the aircraft type Indonesian Aerospace would use for any AEW&C offering, Amperiawan indicates that this will depend on government requirements.

The article is taken by Flight Global correspondence which interviewing DI CEO. The interview conducted in Bali Airshow talk on overall DI present and future projects. On AEW&C, DI's CEO acknowledge that the final platform not yet decide. However the aviationweek article shown DI try to champion it's own platform.

Thus base on both article eventough they champion their own Turboprop platform, they are open to potential other platforms. Means they are open work as instalators of AEW&C systems they are working with Havelsan using whatever platforms that being choose.

 

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Menhan: Lima RUU kerja sama bidang pertahanan penting bagi Indonesia

Menteri Pertahanan (Menhan) RI Prabowo Subianto mengatakan bahwa lima Rancangan Undang-Undang (RUU) terkait kerja sama bidang pertahanan dengan sejumlah ...

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He does seem to understand the bigger picture of geopolitics with regards to the Indo-Pacific, but rather it's because he gets a lot of kickbacks from the French is why he's like that. He knows that at the end of the day US capabilities in their equipment most often than not far exceeds what the French can do

Thank you for personal insight of him, as I said before, don't have any problem with defense insiders, as long as they come clean to the public media on their real intentions. Just can't help to see this guys nothing more then opportunist seekers that wiling to misguide public audiences behind 'neutral' analysts scheme.

Anyway, Frenchie already put in legislation as part of strategic partner for defense. The five countries that's already been legitimate by Parliament are India, French, Cambodia, UAE and Brazil. This part basically one step ahead of G to G agreement. So his possition as Frenchie sales agent should supposedly more secures on the projects availability.

 

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The article is taken by Flight Global correspondence which interviewing DI CEO. The interview conducted in Bali Airshow talk on overall DI present and future projects. On AEW&C, DI's CEO acknowledge that the final platform not yet decide. However the aviationweek article shown DI try to champion it's own platform.

Thus base on both article eventough they champion their own Turboprop platform, they are open to potential other platforms. Means they are open work as instalators of AEW&C systems they are working with Havelsan using whatever platforms that being choose.

Havelsan is working on the HAVA SOJ standoff jammer, based on the Global 6000 platform. Integrating with a platform that they know will lower the risks and time.