Indonesian Aero News

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Question is whether US will authorize Turkey to export those upgrades. The US has always been selective in allowing such national upgrade programs from being exported in competition with US upgrade programs.

 

[Ananda]

They already got this quite far on preparation, and so far seems without US objections, at least that we (public enthusiasts) know off. I suspect they already got green light from US and LM. Guess either Turkiye already got clearence to offer their Ozgur upgrade toward F-16 customer, or Indonesia already offer something else to LM.

 

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DI deliver the 6th of 9 NC-212i for Indonesian Army. Just like the 5th, it is already using new 5 Blade composite propeler. It's been talk that propeler will be retrofit later on toward other NC-212i when Times for propeler replacement come.

DI also offering from what I heard to their other existing NC-212i customer like in Thailand for that configuration set up. For sure this set up also being offer as standard NC-212i set up for next customers.

 

[Ananda]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/brazils-embraer-signs-mou-expand-collaboration-with-indonesias-ptdi-2024-11-18/

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Few days old, but still no official explanation on what DI and Embrear aim on this collaboration scope. Thus raise some speculation, but personally I speculating on 3 sectors:

1. DI become agent to do MRO and parts provider for existing Embrear products in Indonesia. TNI AU for example already complaining toward Embrear on support for their Super Tucano parts,
2. MRO center for E series, as Embraer also try to break Southeast Asia market,
3. Potential DI as part of C390 supply chain.

The third ones shown more traction on C390 from C130 users, even J ones. TNI-AU from what I heard shown interest on C390 after learning operation experience from current users.

 

[Ananda]

Garuda, Citilink, and Pelita Air Ordered to Expand Fleet with Boeing Aircraft

SOEs Minister Erick Thohir directs Garuda, Citilink, and Pelita Air to expand fleets with more Boeing aircraft.

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This is not related to Indonesian AF, however perhaps related to potential bargain with US and Boeing.

Thohir is prioritizing Boeing aircraft purchases, aiming to balance trade relations with the US and strengthen ties between Indonesian SOEs and the American market.

The idea of getting US Fighters always (for Indonesia case) also related to Geopolitics and Trade relationships. It is long shoot, but in latest Bali Airshow, Boeing doesn't bring any F-15ID mockup (as they used too on Indonesian show). However focus on 737MAX, just like Airbus focus on A330 Neo and A400M. The only delegation that bring Fighter mockup is Dasault with Rafale.

Boeing booth in 5:25-6:15

Perhaps the rumours that Frenchie Salesman put around on potential more deal for Rafale has some base ? As always in Indonesia it is always fluid and depends on Lobbying. However with latest procurement coming from French, Italy, Turkiye, ROK and Brazil, shown potential shift on TNI defense suppliers items.

Could SOE Minister order for all three SOE Airlines to focus more on Boeing procurement related to that ? TNI ditching Boeing but they got civilians airliners order as compensation. Off course this is just part of guessing base on latest trends. However just got sense Frenchie, Turkiye and on smaller portion Italian, ROK and Brazil got potential more defense order, in expense of US, China, and Russia.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Pelita and Citilink were moving towards Airbus, and specially Citilink was almost 100% switched to Airbus. Because of decreasing demand, the fleet of Garuda was also trimmed down from over 100 to around 70 aeroplanes now, so suddenly ordering hundreds of Boeings will not make sense. But maybe the current 737NG and 777 fleet from Garuda can be replaced this decade. Together with ordering something like 10 P-8s, 10 737 AEW&C and 10 C-130J-30, he doesn't need to worry anymore about trade inbalances.

 

[Ananda]

Because of decreasing demand, the fleet of Garuda was also trimmed down from over 100 to around 70 aeroplanes now, so suddenly ordering hundreds of Boeings will not make sense. But maybe the current 737NG and 777 fleet from Garuda can be replaced this decade.

Garuda fleet being decreased not because of the demand. Yes Covid matters, but Garuda Failed Management matter more. All Airlines grounded most of their fleet in Covid, but Garuda not only grounded but lost most its fleet due to financial misshap.

The demand in Industry begin to return, but now getting new Airliners is also racing games. All Airlines scramble to get new Airliners. While the Duopoly have problem on supply chains to produces and Boeing got additional quality problems. So the back log to get new Airliners means Garuda even if they manage to reorders their previous 'delayed' orders to Boeing, have to wait by later half of this decade to get them.

Looking to Boeing Indonesia sites for Bali Airshow, they seems want Garuda to revive previous hold orders of 787-9 and Max 8. Although I heard rumours Garuda prefer either Max 9. Question remain if Garuda book already healthy enough to revive those orders.

Together with ordering something like 10 P-8s, 10 737 AEW&C and 10 C-130J-30, he doesn't need to worry anymore about trade inbalances.

That's the question, if Government seems want to order more Airliners to Boeing for their Airlines, will TNI still be push to buy Boeing, or more precise American ? The trend so far shown Frenchie Aero Industry seems getting more traction then US ones (except some order for LM for J's and Blackhawk).