The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

Vivendi · Feb 23, 2022

Feanor said:
I don't have time to do a detailed update post today, I'll aim for tomorrow. There isn't much going on except the continuation of clashes but it feels like the weight of the shelling has shifted from rebel areas to Ukrainian areas.

Russia has recognized the breakout regions and moved Russian troops in. If the "shelling in rebel areas" were indeed false flag operations, then we would expect them to stop by now...

Feanor · Feb 23, 2022

Vivendi said:
Russia has recognized the breakout regions and moved Russian troops in. If the "shelling in rebel areas" were indeed false flag operations, then we would expect them to stop by now...

This isn't entirely true. At this point if Ukrainian positions are getting hit by rebel artillery, I would expect Ukraine to return fire. In other words, it wouldn't necessarily stop.

Capt. Ironpants · Feb 23, 2022

KiwiRob said:
Putin has a long history in giving watches to people, including children, I wouldn't read anything into this.

Thanks. I haven't been in Russia in a little over 20 years, so maybe things have changed. Watches were highly prized back then, but the gifting of one did have that symbolic meaning (although there were ways around it, such as the "giftee" trading some small thing, or "paying" a kopek to the giver). I normally laugh at people who try to read things into such things, but knowing how carefully staged such speeches/events are, and with memories flooding back, that watch really bugged me. Maybe it was because my heart sank when I saw the Z's on the tanks, as they reminded me of the symbols on the Croat tanks in Op Storm (August 4, 1995). I tried to tell myself maybe they were painting those Zs "just in case" but failed to convince myself (rightly, as it sadly turns out).

Big_Zucchini · Feb 23, 2022

Russian state media drinking game:
Mention Soviet era history - sip of whatever drink you have.
Mention revolution era history - finish whatever drink you have.
Mention monarchical Russia - take a shot.
Mention Nazi Germany - take a shot.
Mention Napoleon - finish your drink and take a shot with it.

Feanor · Feb 23, 2022

Big_Zucchini said:
Russian state media drinking game:
Mention Soviet era history - sip of whatever drink you have.
Mention revolution era history - finish whatever drink you have.
Mention monarchical Russia - take a shot.
Mention Nazi Germany - take a shot.
Mention Napoleon - finish your drink and take a shot with it.

I mean... between Soviet era history and monarchical history, you've just about covered the entirety of Russian history pre 1991. It's kind of hard to have a discussion about politics in Eastern Europe without mentioning any history other then the last 31 years.

Big_Zucchini · Feb 23, 2022

Feanor said:
I mean... between Soviet era history and monarchical history, you've just about covered the entirety of Russian history pre 1991. It's kind of hard to have a discussion about politics in Eastern Europe without mentioning any history other then the last 31 years.

That's just my take on the Russian media to which I am still exposed, and in stark reality to media in Israel and other western countries. Here they'll focus on current events, current interests, political shifts, and so on, while in Russian media I very rarely hear that and it's mostly talk about history, the older the better. They can't bring up Poland without also bringing up Napoleon.

denix56 · Feb 23, 2022

It is interesting to see how people in Ukraine react to all these things. The people, who lived in Donbass region before 2014 panic actually less, than other Ukrainians (and myself included). In 2014 you could see groups of ambulances coming several times a day in Dnipro and at the same time full clubs and restaurants in Kyiv. People in other parts of country tried to distant themselves from war before until it has come close to their doors. The refugees actually have already accepted this state of things, in some way, and know how to respond to it.

Steinmetz · Feb 23, 2022

Russia has just issued a NOTAM for all civilian flights along the Eastern border of Ukraine. Feels like something big can happen at any moment now. Ukraine has also closed off civilian flights to most airports located in Eastern Ukraine, even Dnipro.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1496621925564841987

It is interesting to see how people in Ukraine react to all these things.

I feel like this will be one of the biggest factors, if not the biggest factor to determine the long term outcome of all this. So many rhetorical questions to ask: How many will be complacent? How many will be indifferent? How many will actually want to fight back? How many Ukrainian soldiers will lay down their arms? How many will fight to the death? So, so much more questions can be asked. We won't know till it happens.

denix56 · Feb 23, 2022

For the first time I see Turkish airplane going to Ukraine in the recent weeks.
I wonder whether it delivers or evacuates.
There is also a Global Hawk flying again.

It will be hard to have some sleep for me this night :/

Steinmetz · Feb 23, 2022

Something is happening now. My thoughts and prayers to the people of Ukraine. May light prevail in the end for a brighter day. Not many words to say.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1496670132646592514

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1496670063327391744

Russian Strategic Aviation very active on various frequencies. You can keep up with how to do so from the chat box at the bottom. Listen in:

http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/?frequency=8131&volume=0#

Feanor · Feb 23, 2022

Update.

It appears the invasion has either already begun or is literally about to begin. Putin has just announced a military operation in Eastern Ukraine.

The Fighting.

A Russian Zvezda correspondent allegedly observing shelling in rebel areas.

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