Why ASEAN matters - in the era of great power competition

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Part 1 of 4: Understanding the current status quo

1. Some Chinese propagandists have not thought this through to its logical conclusion. For the RMN and the TNI AL, PLA(N) submarines are classified as hostile submarine contacts… so if we vote whose submarines these two littoral states dislike the most, the PLA(N)’s submarines win hands down — as the most disliked — all thanks to the 9-dash line. In addition, I note that:

(a) in a single generation, ASEAN became the most successful regional integration experience in the post-colonial world. Astonishingly, ASEAN achieved this with a skeletal bureaucracy. To put things into perspective, while the EU enjoyed a 30,000-strong civil service staff, with a multi-billion-dollar budget (equal to 1% of EU budget), the ASEAN secretariat has had just over 200 staff operating on, until recent years, a meager US$10 million budget. Even more impressively, ASEAN established a peace regime, or a de facto “security community,” where even the threat of use of force is no longer an instrument of inter-state relations within ASEAN.​

(b) China has achieved its goals in round 1 (in the period from 2012 to 2016) with regard to its actions in disputed waters off Vietnam and the Philippines. China's highly effective use of 'white ships', as strategy to manage its maritime disputes with its South China Sea neighbours and island building in the South China Sea, results in a win for China. IMHO, it can be argued that the process of Finlandization, in the 2017 to 2021 time frame, has started for the Philippines (viz a viz a rising China).​

(c) I suspect that without the Americans, the Australians and the Japanese making major efforts in serving as effective military and political counter weights or the exercise of effective leadership by the Indonesians (as the de facto leader of ASEAN), a ‘China Choice’ is only a matter of time for more ASEAN countries. This ‘China Choice’ may have to be made by ASEAN in the 2031 to 2035 time frame (or earlier), beyond the Pinoys and Cambodians. Therefore, many track 2 participants in ASEAN see AUKSU is a joint American and Australian effort that is useful at a military-to-military technology cooperation level.​

Oh I see, and yes I agree that submarines of all persuasions transiting these waters represents the current status quo. ASW forces entering them or the associated airspace (to destroy them) would break it.
2. With regard to your status quo point, let me share some background points, to illustrate the lack of maturity in AndrewS’s posts:
One, Indonesians have accepted their role in forcing the creation of the FPDA in April 1971. The why and the way of FPDA’s creation tell much about what it is today. This distinctive pact was born in 1971 in response to three great breaches in Southeast Asia:​
  • Indonesia’s Konfrontasi military campaign against Malaysia and Singapore from 1963 to 1966. FPDA was insurance against the return of a bellicose, aggressive Indonesia. Konfrontasi still has a place in the regionalmemory of the five powers.
  • Singapore was ejected from Malaysia’s Federation in 1965 because of ‘deep political and economic differences between the ruling parties of Singapore and Malaysia’.
  • Britain’s ‘East of Suez’ withdrawal of forces from Malaysia and Singapore in 1971.
Two, Indonesia no longer pays much attention to the anti-Indonesia roots of this ‘integral’ bit of the region’s security architecture. Jakarta’s benign view was expressed by the former Defence Minister, Benny Murdani, when he said ‘if FPDA makes its members feel secure, then regional security is enhanced and Indonesia is happy’. Murdani was speaking at a Canberra conference on Australia’s 1994 Defence White Paper.​
Three, FDPA members are doing ASW training to conduct operations against aggressor submarines from air and naval bases in Southeast Asia. The most likely aggressor in the past (in the 1980s) was the TNI AL but in 2021, every FPDA nation has solid military-to-military relations with Indonesia, as evidenced by the help given by Australia, Singapore and Malaysia, to search for KRI Nanggala, when the boat was missing.​
Four, I would say that Indonesia and Singapore are friendly to China but retain an ability to act in a sovereign manner; which includes keeping Singapore’s existing and grandfathered bases in Taiwan and even setting up a new one in Guam, to train Singapore’s naval and air forces — to maintain the status quo.​
 
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Ananda

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ASEAN in truth (especially the original five) created in sense to contain Indonesia regional ambition. Soeharto by sense agree on creation of ASEAN to avoid what Soekarno wants during 60's. Which's exporting 'revolutionary' movement through out South East Asia. This's basically what Soeharto (and Army leaders) want in order to avoid potential high costs regional politics.

Soekarno down fall and Soeharto basically eliminating the communist and even all matter of leftists politics in Indonesia, has many analyst argue one of the reasons US left Indochina for communist take over.

What's my point in here is, from beginning ASEAN already come to 'understanding' on more ambiguity position on Geopolitical issue, and left to each members to have their own as long as doesn't change the balance in the region. What China do in SCS basically challenge that balance.

So all this talk about AUKUS where some ASEAN members publicly shown concern on AUKUS has to be seen as part to maintain regional balances. However in same time AUKUS is part of something (especially behind the doors) that not surprising will come out due the rising and aggressive China behavior in SCS. ASEAN members that border SCS and have EEZ claimed toward some part of EEZ have no illusion that potential conflict of interest with China will happen sooner or later, if China continue on their path.


As for SSN, this Thorium research for a compact reactor that potentially can be use for marine propulsion that Thorcon done with PAL and Indonesian Atomic Energy Agency, is also work under MinDef supervision. For me it shows deep down Indonesian MinDef also open for potential use on nuclear propulsion in future. Off course it's much further on, the research agreement still in beginning stage. However they are looking for potential Thorium reactor, considering it's less radioactive waste and easier to maintain (at least in theory).

The point in here is, the regional development due to China behavior in SCS already create/shift of Indonesian Strategic Defense policies. All this thanks to China. So worse come to worse, it's unlikely ASEAN countries that bordering SCS will take China side if that happens.
 

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So I don't see Malaysia privately welcoming AUKUS.
Like other countries, Malaysia's main concern is being caught in the middle of things should AUKUS and China have a go at each other. Unlike AUKUS members Malaysia and other countries literally live in the same neighbourhood as China and what's good for AUKUS isn't necessarily good for Malaysia and its neighbours.

In private, althought it pesents itself as being non aligned, it will have reasons to welcome or feel reassured by AUKUS because like other regional countries it is extremely worried about what China will do next.

Ethnic Chinese account for one-third of the Malaysian population
Malaysian born Chinese who have been in Malaysia for several generations.

They may be Mandarin speakers, may prefer Huaweis rather than iPhones, may feel some level of kinship with China and marvel at the remarkable and rapid progress China has made but they're Malaysians first.

So there are very practical reasons for Malaysia remaining neutral in any US-China clash
If Malaysia stays neutral in the event of a clash, it will be because China hasn't given it a good enough reason to side with AUKUS and because openly supporting AUKUS could bring more long term harm than good. The fact that it has a large Chinese population will not be a factor.
 
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Australian nuclear powered submarines aren't going to be ready until 2040 according to the Australian Prime Minister.
But it's logical for US nuclear submarines to be based in Australia
I would expect long-range US bombers on Australian soil as well, because Guam is too vulnerable
They've already removed the B-2 aircraft shelters from Guam
So, pure speculation with no evidence.
 

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Malaysian born Chinese who have been in Malaysia for several generations.

They may be Mandarin speakers, may prefer Huaweis rather than iPhones, may feel some level of kinship with China and marvel at the remarkable and rapid progress China has made but they're Malaysians first.
Like my girlfriend in my last year at university. She was from Kuala Lumpur, not anywhere in China, & IIRC she spoke better English than Mandarin. Her first language was Cantonese - & she thought it was silly to call it a dialect.

Much like when I stayed in Hong Kong. A friend of my then girlfriend was teaching at a university there, & we stayed with her & went out for dinner with her & some of her local colleagues - who were speaking English to each other not only because of us, but for the benefit of a couple of mainland visitors (this was the last colonial years). It was the only language they had in common. Their 'dialect' was a foreign language to the mainlanders, who were from north China, IIRC, & one of the locals told us that none of them spoke much Mandarin - though with the handover impending, most were trying to learn it. They looked different, as well: it was a bit like Greeks & Germans having dinner together.
 

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As for SSN, this Thorium research for a compact reactor that potentially can be use for marine propulsion that Thorcon done with PAL and Indonesian Atomic Energy Agency, is also work under MinDef supervision. For me it shows deep down Indonesian MinDef also open for potential use on nuclear propulsion in future. Off course it's much further on, the research agreement still in beginning stage. However they are looking for potential Thorium reactor, considering it's less radioactive waste and easier to maintain (at least in theory).
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I remember there being a few thorium reactors, & talk of more, when I was young. But then it faded away . . . .

The Candian CANDU design was spoken of as being capable of using thorium, & very safe.
 

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I remember there being a few thorium reactors, & talk of more, when I was young. But then it faded away . . . .

The Candian CANDU design was spoken of as being capable of using thorium, & very safe.
Canadian uranium interests made efforts to use Thorium difficult. Also, I believe fuel rods with processed nuclear waste was another option for CANDU.
 

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Part 2 of 4: Understanding the current status quo

3. ADMM Plus is a confidence building measure — it is not about high end war fighting. Global Times and PLA fanboys seem not to have this figured out. This is my free gift to them, for them to refine their propaganda talking points.

4. As Bilahari Kausikan reminds us, "on certain issues, some countries will sometimes tilt one way. On other issues, they will lean the other way. And on occasion, they will go their own way—while trying not to irrevocably alienate either Washington or Beijing."

5. In contrast to the Indian Navy, the PLA(N) is from the perception optics point of view, a PR nightmare for the Singapore Navy — to train with in the SCS (while trying to keep our neighbours happy) — which places natural limits on the scope of bilateral training (keeping it to CUES and other simple maritime security exercises).

6. Team Biden has demonstrated that America helps those who want to help themselves — they are no longer concerned with black lash from China, over weapons sales or military technology transfer to partners, allies and customers.
(a) Thanks to the support, Taiwan’s indigenous submarine (IDS) project is progressing. The prototype boat is scheduled to be launched in 2024, and will be delivered to ROC Navy in 2025. On 16 Mar 2021,Taiwan’s Defence Minister Chiu Kuo-cheng (邱國正), spoke in the parliament and confirmed the US’ approval of export licenses for all “red zone” military technologies used in IDS program. The IDS build received a boost following the recent U.S. approval to transfer a number of key technologies including periscopes.​
(b) In Oct 2021, Taiwan is asking the U.S. to expedite the delivery of several squadrons of F-16s it ordered in 2019 amid unprecedented incursions by Chinese warplanes in recent weeks. In 2019, Taiwan placed an US$8 billion order for 66 F-16Vs, which were expected to be delivered in batches over the next 10 years. In addition, under a US$5.3 billion Phoenix Rising program, Taiwan’s existing fleet of 150 F-16A/Bs will be upgraded to the F-16V standard. and the integration of new precision-guided weapons.​

7. As Bilahari Kausikan wrote: "reliability is a two-way street: For those willing to cooperate, Biden is prepared to provide the tools to meet the challenge posed by China to an extent without recent precedent, as the decision to share nuclear submarine technology with Australia illustrates."
 
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AndrewS

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So, pure speculation with no evidence.
I make it clear what is a statement and what is speculation.
It's not pure speculation by any stretch

(Australian Prime Minster) Morrison said he expects the first of the nuclear subs, which are to be constructed in the Australian city of Adelaide, will be built by 2040.
abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/australia-buys-us-nuclear-subs-due-changed-security-80050025
US Air Force pulls bombers from Guam

"The consistency and predictability of the (Guam) deployment raised serious operational vulnerabilities. A planner in China's military could have easily plotted ways of destroying the bombers due to their well-known presence," said Timothy Heath, senior international defense researcher with the RAND Corp. think tank in Washington.


edition.cnn.com/2020/04/24/asia/guam-us-air-force-bombers-pull-out-intl-hnk/index.html
 

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The mods on this forum don't much like unsupported statements; if you're going to say things like "Malaysia and Indonesia don't like AUKUS" then you probably need to provide references to your sources.
I thought people were well informed, but here you go

Yesterday (Mon 18 Oct), Malaysia and Indonesia yet again complained about AUKUS
Both Malaysia and Indonesia have been consistently complaining since AUKUS was announced 4 weeks ago on 17 September
And it's now gotten to the point where Malaysia and Indonesia are working together to oppose AUKUS
References below

Remember that Indonesia is the defacto leader of ASEAN, by dint of its very large population and economy, compared to the rest of ASEAN

Indonesia and Malaysia jointly amplify warning about AUKUS pact
Mon 18 Oct
www.rfa.org/english/news/china/indonesia-malaysia-10182021172730.html
Malaysia joined Indonesia in expressing concern that a new security pact involving Australia, the U.S. and the U.K. may spark a nuclear arms race in the Indo-Pacific region
Fri 18 Sep
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-18/malaysia-says-aukus-alliance-may-lead-to-arms-race-provocation
You need to moderate your tone and behaviour and properly quote your own sources. The way this is presented is inflammatory. There is a difference between consistently complaining and expressing concern. Most posters here reflect there is concern, this is warranted and this needs to be managed. If you were to be providing a balanced argument you may wish to consider it is the behaviour of China that is driving pacts such as AUKUS and that is certainly 'of concern' to Malaysia and Indonesia (and others). As far as defacto leadership is concerned I suspect members of ASEAN may not agree with you on that claim.

Moderate your style or action will be taken.

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I remember there being a few thorium reactors, & talk of more, when I was young. But then it faded away . . . .

The Candian CANDU design was spoken of as being capable of using thorium, & very safe.
CANDU is an excellent design, capable of using unenriched uranium, "spent" nuclear fuel from other reactors (which still has more uranium than unenriched uranium), and thorium mixed with uranium. This is because it uses heavy water instead of regular water as the moderator, which gives it a wider range of acceptable fuel. The drawback is that heavy water is very expensive and it needs quite a lot of it too. 500 tonnes per reactor. That's an extra $300-350 million. Using LEU is way cheaper, even when calculated over 30-40 years. Still, if one doesn't want to deal with uranium enrichment, the Canadian CANDU is an alternative.
 

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I thought people were well informed, but here you go

Yesterday (Mon 18 Oct), Malaysia and Indonesia yet again complained about AUKUS
Both Malaysia and Indonesia have been consistently complaining since AUKUS was announced 4 weeks ago on 17 September
And it's now gotten to the point where Malaysia and Indonesia are working together to oppose AUKUS
References below

Remember that Indonesia is the defacto leader of ASEAN, by dint of its very large population and economy, compared to the rest of ASEAN
We are a very, very long way from having permanent US Military bases on Australian soil, the Australian people have traditionally been against it. It would require bipartisan political support; I would have my doubts about that.
 
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I make it clear what is a statement and what is speculation.
It's not pure speculation by any stretch
No? It doesn't say what you say, does it? You've added your own interpretation. Rotations (which already happen), have become 'based', for example.

And why would the USA want to base submarines in Australia, to operate close to China? Look at a map, & the possible routes. Basing in Perth to operate in the Indian Ocean might make sense, but you don't seem to have thought of that.
 
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No? It doesn't say what you say, does it? You've added your own interpretation. Rotations (which already happen), have become 'based', for example.

And why would the USA want to base submarines in Australia, to operate close to China? Look at a map, & the possible routes. Basing in Perth to operate in the Indian Ocean might make sense, but you don't seem to have thought of that.
Yea as the Crow Flies Perth is only about 1000k closer to Shanghai then Pearl Harbour is, when you factor in the obstacles facing Vessels getting through the Indonesian Archipelago, its just not worth it for operations in the SCS.
 
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I make it clear what is a statement and what is speculation.
It's not pure speculation by any stretch
@AndrewS, this is a green text warning not to post further speculative off-topic rubbish into discussion threads, after you are corrected. Please do not invent fake facts to support a speculative post by you. We expect to see improvements in your behaviour soon, or you are on short finals. Another moderator issued you a red text warning and 4 warning points (for 4 months) was given so far.

If you keep posting as a fanboy, you are not going to remain a member for long — as the Moderators have received multiple reports against your posts. No reply to this warning is expected.


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Part 3 of 4: Understanding the current status quo

And why would the USA want to base submarines in Australia, to operate close to China? Look at a map, & the possible routes. Basing in Perth to operate in the Indian Ocean might make sense, but you don't seem to have thought of that.
8. Agreed. Too many bases (unused except in war) has the potential to drain American budget resources away during peace time.

9. The U.S. DoD have a strategy around it, called ‘places not bases;’ which is used in Singapore too.

10. American involvement in South East Asia is crucial to security of the region because in ASEAN, Singapore is too small to go it alone (with military-to-military aid delivered by the FSG). To give one example, on 23 May 2017, security forces from the Philippines conducted a raid in the city of Marawi to capture an insurgent named Isnilon Hapilon.
(a) The raid was repulsed, and by the end of the day the so-called Islamic State in the Philippines (IS-P) had triggered their long-laid plans to dominate the city. Martial law was declared by President Rodrigo Duterte and a five month urban siege to regain the city commenced. The battle was pitched against a well-resourced, sophisticated enemy who had the ‘home ground advantage’.​
(b) To level the playing field, Singapore’s Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen said in a briefing on 19 July 2017 that he offered to his Philippine counterpart Delfin Lorenzana help "to enhance the intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities" of the Philippine military. Thanks to the timely use and deployment of Singapore’s aid, military assistance and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) to augment Australian and American support to help Philippines fight militants in the Battle of Marawi, the Pinoys were able to successfully attack these militants and suffer less casualties.​
(c) Learning the utility of Elbit Hermes 450 UAVs from the 2017 Battle of Marawi (see the lessons learnt), the Pinoys quickly acquired Elbit Hermes 450 and 900 UAVs, to retain this imagery analysis capability. It is without doubt that timely American, Australian and Singaporean support (to augment the intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities, in the Philippines), helped reduce the civilian death toll.​

We are a very, very long way from having permanent US Military bases on Australian soil, the Australian people have traditionally been against it. It would require bipartisan Political support, i would have my doubts about that.
11. The U.S. Marine Corps have a plan and their Marine Rotational Force-Darwin deployments were created under an older Obama era, ‘places not bases’ concept that I previously explained years ago. And it is designed to address this exact concern. Team Biden of course understands this and continues to execute the concept under their current strategy that will be rolled out shortly.
 
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Yesterday (Mon 18 Oct), Malaysia and Indonesia yet again complained about AUKUS
At the same time Indonesia defense establishment also doing more close relationship development with Australia. I can talk more on Indonesia, and for one thing I know more on Indonesia political play compared to you. I can't talk more on Malaysia, but I believe Malaysian member, like Sturm, already put his opinion also.


This is before AUKUS, but it is clear the defense co-op with Australia continues and is deepening. This shows that the Indonesian defense establishment is more concerned with China then AUKUS.

If Indonesia more concerned with AUKUS, then Indonesia will buy and co-op more with Russia and China on defense, sideline CAATSA, and procured more defense assets from China and Russia.

Turns out, Indonesia don't want to clash with CAATSA (that's why it's stopping SU-35 procurement process), practically not doing any more significant defense procurement with China and even before only miniscule assets ones, talking with Western, South Korea, Japan, and Turkey on defense Industry co-op, while large defense procurement coming from Western sources. It's the sign of a country that actually objecting and hostile with AUKUS?

Clearly you are only talking from your own interpretation, even though many members in this thread already shown otherwise. So I really question whether you want to contribute realistic discussion in here or just trolling. BTW, are you really British?

Remember that Indonesia is the defacto leader of ASEAN, by dint of its very large population and economy, compared to the rest of ASEAN
I already tell you why ASEAN being created in the first place. Yes Indonesia have big clout within ASEAN. That's one of the reason why ASEAN HQ is in Jakarta. However ASEAN don't have a de facto leader that can dictate their will to other members.

Again ASEAN being built to maintain balance of Political and Defense. ASEAN being built so no one can doing what Soekarno did in 60's, which is basically try to dictate South East Asia political future. ASEAN was built basically to contain Indonesia 60's ambition (and for it not to be repeated).

So everyone in ASEAN have their own independent foreign policy. Indonesia and Malaysia concern for AUKUS is more on the premise to maintain the balance of power. It is politically necessary, but it don't change anything on defense issues (at least from Indonesian side). After all Indonesian defense establishment already know the balance of power is being broken already by China’s actions in SCS. That's a fact.
 
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Part 4 of 4: Understanding the current status quo

SSNs (and bombers) based in Australia have to transit through waters/chokepoints which separate the internal parts of Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines

Is China just going to sit there, or will it try to intercept those SSNs and bombers transiting through Malaysia and Indonesia.

Then you're talking about air or sea battles along routes connecting domestic cities within Malaysia and Indonesia.

Hence Malaysia and Indonesia don't like AUKUS
12. It is much more accurate to say that Malaysia and Indonesia really don't like the hostile actions of Chinese Coast Guard, the PLA(N) and PLAAF, in the South China Sea, when compared to the minor concern that is AUKUS. In contrast to the intruding Chinese, the Americans got out of the Philippines in 1991 and their military footprint in Southeast Asia would be much smaller if not for China’s aggressive stance. The Apr 2012 Scarborough Shoal incident demonstrated Chinese intent to slice away layers of Philippine sovereignty. The Chinese actions in Scarborough Shoal is widely seen as the start point of the erosion of stability in the South China Sea (SCS).

(a) For ASEAN member states, amongst the external ADMM Plus powers, the Chinese stand as the odd man out — they are not a status quo power — instead they are a rising threat, with hostile claims. In end Sep 2021, it was reported that a Chinese survey vessel and 2 Chinese Coast Guard escorts have intruded into Indonesia’s EEZ, north of the Natuna islands (which has now continued around a natural gas exploration site for more than 3 weeks). “It’s the longest and most overt incursion we have seen, yet there has been no response at all,” says one analyst, noting that the 3 Chinese intruding vessels are being shadowed by a rotating flotilla of 6 Indonesian Navy ships and 3 Maritime Security Agency (BAKIMLA) patrol craft.​

(b) In Jan 2019, a H-6K operated by the PLANAF buzzed a Malaysian operated oil platform off Sarawak. As a result, during Operations Iring, Malaysian Hawks made a low flypast to indicate their presence and to boost the morale of those on KD Lekiu and PFLNG 2. IMHO, the maturity of our forum members ensure that we start any geo-political discussion with some background knowledge of the region and its players (unlike other fanboy centred forums).​
(c) Further, the PLA(N) engagement with ASEAN in the military sphere is dwarfed in context of American or even Australian engagements that is deeply appreciated. Keep in mind that the PLA(N) was no where to be found after the 2004 Boxing Day Tsunami and the Chinese Navy got invited for the KRI Nanggala recovery (after everyone involved in the search, started to depart).​

13. If air-sea battles occur in waters around Southeast Asia, it’s likely to be FPDA countries and/or Americans (to support an ally or partner) vs a hostile power.
(a) Australia is a resident power, with troops in Malaysia; and their P-8As fly out of RMAF Butterworth, since 2018, as part of Operation Gateway. This is a key element in the bilateral-defence relationship between Australia and Malaysia. And by the way, the FPDA’s HQ IADS in Butterworth has an Australian Commander and a Singaporean Deputy Commander.​
(b) As other members of the forum have pointed out AUKUS is a concern, BUT this Malaysian concern is located within a context. And the context is Malaysian reliance on FPDA as part of its security arrangements.​

14. Below is a video message from the 5 Prime Ministers of the FPDA countries on the occasion of its 50th anniversary. This shows that AUKSU is a concern that is being well managed on a bilateral basis between Malaysia and Australia — with ties going from strength to strength for 50 years.

15. Right now, China is a good fit for the leading role as a villain to the littoral countries in Southeast Asia, replacing Indonesia as the bogeyman. If the shoe fits, who am I to argue for another interpretation of China’s hostile actions in the SCS, that seems to escalating since 2012.

16. Even the Europeans have noted the emerging security dilemma and seeking to contribute to the solution. @AndrewS it seems the more you talk, the worse you make China look — with rebuttal facts supplied by Australian, Malaysian, Indonesian, Singaporean and UK members of the forum. Are you sure that you want to continue making the CCP look bad?
 
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The above seems to be a pretty interesting video on Malaysia — I need to look out for the next DWP when it comes out. The 2019 DWP is an open document containing the direction and priorities of defence for a period of 10 years, from 2021 to 2030, spanning the 12th and 13th Malaysia Plans.
 

Vivendi

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Thanks again OPSSG, the amount of high quality information and high quality analysis you provide is immensely impressive.

I noticed in the video above that Malaysian government should produce Defence Investement National Plan, Defence National Industry Policy and Defence Capacity Blueprint during 2021-2022. Will be interesting to follow.
 

STURM

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Quite a few defence watchers were expecting too much from the White Paper, which ultimately was poltically driven PR exercise. It didn't contain much of what was already widely known and was silent on various areas.

Nonethless it was long overdue and needed. It's hoped that future White Papers will be of much greater use in laying out the direction the country is headed with regards to defence and how it intends on actually implementing things.
 
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