Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]
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kashifshahzad
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Pakistan will then try to make copies of spares or they can also try to fix the spares from JF-17 thunder caz Pakistan is not gonna waste any F-16 caz they are too costlySABRE said:
kashifshahzad said:Pakistan will then try to make copies of spares or they can also try to fix the spares from JF-17 thunder caz Pakistan is not gonna waste any F-16 caz they are too costly
Kashif u cant just integrate components of one AirCraft into another. Each AC has its unique design & layout & each of them use different sort of components which may differ in quality & size. Besides I dnt think thunder's parts will go with F-16 anyways.
Pakistan will have to buy the ToT for parts & components like Turkey. We can also buy components from Turkey if US shuts down the facility But USAF still is far away from grounding F-16s. 2020 seems unlikely, it will require more time to replace over 1000 F-16s with significant numbers of JSF-35.
Pakistan can also buy spares from Belgium. They have old F-16s which are to be grounded every 5 years. They also have a surplus of F-16A/B which they are willing to sell to Pakistan. We can buy them at cheap price & get them an MLU. I think this is going to be done.
Done worry abt spares. US cant abondon the F-16s arround the world. Not one country uses it. Entire NATO force is also dependent on them. US cant stop supply of spares to NATO.
srirangan said:
Yup F-16 components probably wont go with JF-17/FC-1 & neither they would go with JF-17. Modern technology also makes it impossible to reverse engineer various components & avionics. If attempt is made they will be destroyed & become useless.
On the other hand u can take JF-17 to France or USA may be even to LH-M or Northorp Grumman to get separate equipement made for it also get the western avionics on it.
srirangan said:
Any Collusion of American and Chinese tech would irk the US. the US ASked PAF not to integrate the SD-10 BVR MIssile on the Current F-16 which is a NESCOM/Chinese project last I checked. The US does not want CHinese Engineers neer there Provided Equipment this could be the reason why Pakistan seems to be scaling back on the K-8 project. If i was analyzing the behavior i could swear that the US might be moving inn while Kicking the Chinese out of Air complexes throughout Pakistan. The Last Large Deal for the TPS radar Network involved Hiring contractors to assist operate the network.
This all comes into the Domain of Politics for Some its the "Never-Land" of a twitted Politician. But every Action in Politics has an Effect on another. Its the way to Drive your Propaganda through that Yields more Benefits then LOSs, I call that Profit. In this INstance the Chinese Understand that PAF requires Weapon system more advance then the Ones they can provide for Pak Defense. So they would gladly step aside let the US help Pakistan(They were there because the US abandoned Pakistan). The russian Involvement in Chinese Aviation Industry does not offend Pakistan. The Russians are OutRight Anti Pakistani they would go as far as Publicly denying Pak critical defense equipment. Just to Satisfy INdia they would even slap a couple of Pro Economic reason. But the fact is Russians wouldn't of sold C***p to Pakistan Even if INdia was not in the situation, its a matter of principal. Chinese Government understand the Issues Faced by Pakistan, and i think they Will step aside, isolating there programs (not discontinuing) from the eyes of the Americans, i'm sure they would have equal concerns regarding the secrecy of there Jf-17 project from the American Personnel. It will all work out. they(PAF) might end-up processing the two type of Jets at differnt Locations. The French and American equipment at one location the Pakistani and Chinese Jets at the other.
kashifshahzad
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I am sure that Pakistan with the help of Chinese can develop advance combat air crafts.They can copy their Engines the bodies have been copied i dont say they copy they will develop impressed versions
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All countries spend a lot of amount on their defence buys air crafts ships arms etc.
My question is this why dont they try to build their own aircrafts and the other things this will make them indignous and the out put will be cost effective too very very cost effective i must say.I have read here some where that India have 9 billions to spend on defence.Lol why you guy guys dont go to Indegnousity. This will save your money and your people will have jobs too.
Pakistan was also in that kind of position when it sstarted building the Wah complexes for its arms.Pakistan was buying arms from other countries they were good too but now we are able to export small arms and ammunition.
So i say go to Indegniousity like Sweden and Italy.Sweden is doing a goood job they do not have combat aircrafts from other countries they export too.
Cant you people see that in ancient times different powers had their forts and all things were built in thaose forts
.All countries spend a lot of amount on their defence buys air crafts ships arms etc.
My question is this why dont they try to build their own aircrafts and the other things this will make them indignous and the out put will be cost effective too very very cost effective i must say.I have read here some where that India have 9 billions to spend on defence.Lol why you guy guys dont go to Indegnousity. This will save your money and your people will have jobs too.
Pakistan was also in that kind of position when it sstarted building the Wah complexes for its arms.Pakistan was buying arms from other countries they were good too but now we are able to export small arms and ammunition.
So i say go to Indegniousity like Sweden and Italy.Sweden is doing a goood job they do not have combat aircrafts from other countries they export too.
Cant you people see that in ancient times different powers had their forts and all things were built in thaose forts
Iys about the time tht PAF buys those Belgiun F-16s. The deal has been on pending for too long. We should buy those Block 15 & 32 A/B & get them MLU. This will quicken up the induction as we would be getting some ready made F-16s.
24new+39old(with MLU)+ 32 Belgiun F-16s = 95 F-16s in inventory by 2008-9.
24new+39old(with MLU)+ 32 Belgiun F-16s = 95 F-16s in inventory by 2008-9.
adsH said:
No, that is not the reason. Thing is that the K-8 is labour intensive and unreliable (compared with the T-37). It needs a lot of maintenance for little flying time. On the other hand the T-37 Tweety birds are extremely reliable and require much less maintenance. That is the reason why PAF has only 12 K-8s in its inventory.
adsH said:
It is impossible that Chinese are kicked out from Pakistan bcz they very good freindz. US is just using Pakistan in afghanistan and they needs pakistan support but after their work is done they will throw us and at that we will again find China helping us. we are an ally to China and will always be there with Chinese.
Look at Gawadar US tried to use it against China, but today it is completely with the Chinese.
SABRE said:
I dont think the Belgian F-16s will be forthcoming. The 24 newbies are only coming mostly because of pressure on the American defense industry. If more F-16s will come, they will probably come from america and theyll be new built.
PS in case the 7 broken down F-16s dont get repaired well have 26 left by 2010 and that plus 24 gives us 50.