Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]

Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?


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SABRE

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srirangan said:
>> The mountains r very high, the most highst mountains in South Asia r
>> found on Pakistani side in Kashmir

Nepal will disagree, so will Bhutan. Tibet would, but they don't count in South Asia.
Sri the world's 2nd,3rd,4th.6th,8th,11th highst mountains r on Pakistani side of Himaliya. 2nd Highst is famous for its toughness we call it by its famous name K2. Its 2nd to evrest but much dangerous than it. K3 is Nanga Parbat again very high. Dnt knw the names of others. K1 is inside Tibet,China. Its 5th highst mountain. There r high mountains in Nepal n Bhutan but the one on Pakistani side r huge n high. Pak army extensively go under training on these mountains, many nations army come to take training from Pak army on these mountains. PAF takes to these mountains almost every day to train pilots how to move in between mountains (not over them) they fly between the valleys.
The mountain where Pak army shot down 2 IAF jets was K-6.
These K mountains r in Karakorum region which joins Pak & China. Thus the alphabet K comes from Korakorum. Now Korakoram region is the mountain range only near Pak Chian & KAshmir border. There r other ranges inside Pak too.
 

SABRE

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P.A.F said:
which is why pakistan should get gripens. but even thats hard because of US pressure on sweden. US wants pakistan to buy it's f-16's so it is making everyother aircraft hard to get. :(
PAF US has done nothing to stop Sweden from selling Gripens to Pakistan. The talks r still under way between Pakistan n Sweden. Why do have all habit of putting the blame on USA for what ever bad happens to us. Choie to buy F-16s or not is hands of PAF not USA.
 

SABRE

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srirangan said:
SABRE,
No offence but you are mixing nationalism with geography. :?
No not realy. If it seems tht way than m sorry. It was not intended. Now webii is gettin hot, let go back to the topic.
 

rajupaki

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Mukesh Patel said:
Pakistan's airforce is outdated and at a very dangerous point!
Yes it has became outdated but it is still outclass, and it is what Indians also know. It was the same reason that India Fails to attack The so called terrorist camps Inside Azad Kashmir because she knew that such acts will be replied will full strength by the PAF.

We still has quality airforce. and don't forget that it is not the aircraft but it is the man in the aircraft which is important.

Example is of Arabs and Israel war, Israel had a very small AF and Arabs were equipped with the best of that time but result is in Front of You. Israeli AF completely outclass the Arabs in the war.

Mukesh Patel said:
What are pakistanis waiting on? Fc1? super7? J10? Is that all left for them?
It is not all left for us but it is enough to handle, for IAF, and one should have to keep in mind that we have a policy of minimum detterance.
 

VICTORA1

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Rajupaki,
There is a mistake somewhere---the arabs were not equipped with the best. The israeli AF was far superior to the arabs in any manner at that time and still is. The egyptian AF didnot not have aircraft to reach mainland Israel even in the 73 conflict on the other hand, any of the israeli aircraft could fly in----even though quite a few got shot down by the sams.
 

mysterious

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Currently, UAE's customized version of the F-16 Block 60 is a match for any aircraft in that region; but again it comes down to piloting skills and I really havent heard anything impressive about their pilots. :smokingc:
 

P.A.F

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

wish we could get them block 60's. they just look to good. but i don't think thats happening so we should stick to rafale mirage or gripen. you can foget having f-16's below block 50.
 

highsea

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mysterious said:
Currently, UAE's customized version of the F-16 Block 60 is a match for any aircraft in that region; but again it comes down to piloting skills and I really havent heard anything impressive about their pilots. :smokingc:
Well, I wouldn'y say "currently", as none have been delivered yet. AFAIK, the first two AC have been delivered to the training squadron in Tuscon, and UAE pilots are there now. The first deliveries won't happen until next year, and it could be another 4 years after that before the entire 80 AC are in UAE's posession.

Block 50/52 is the current production version, the only Block 60's are the ones ordered by UAE.

edit to add: Just thought it might be of interest, that to go along with the AC, the UAEAF purchased USD $2 billion in sophisticated aircraft armament for its F-16s, including 491 AIM-120B AMRAAM Missiles, 267 AIM-9M Sidewinder, 163 AGM-88 Harm, 1,163 AGM-65D/G Maverick, 52 AGM-84 Harpoon, laser guided bombs, 20mm ammunition and other weaponry.

-CM
 

SABRE

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armage said:
Will England (or whoever is in charge of the Eurofighter) sell it to Pakistan?
I think it will require collective consideration & agreement by all the concerned (maker) nations.
We recently pissed off Germans by saying that we do not support extension of UNSC seats. So I think there might be a "NO" from them.
 

umair

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Ahem! as most of you guys may have read on chinese and some Pakistani forums that china has agreed to sell J-10s to PAF. I did some digging with my sources the last few days and came up with an affirmation of this news(not that it was not gonna turn out to be false any way, I've known this thing was a go since last year :roll ).Apparently the Chinese have solved the powerplant problem and that coupled with the fact that Chengdu is about to complete it's last F-7 export order, has freed up it's facilities for all out J-10 production.Also the PAF is pretty impressed with chinese avionics and according to one of my sources"these guys are making leaps in this field nowadays" we will see cause of this the first batch of 50 Thunders equipped with a scaled down variant of the J-10s radar retaining all the working and engagement modes with compromises being made in terms of range(how much donno didn't ask and probably would not have been answered :p ) apparently the italians need more time to remove the chinks in the Griffo-S7(reason#2)
Well the timeframe for the delivery of the first J-10's to Pakistan has been tentatively set at being sometime between 2007 and 2008.
Well so much for the medium and low enders.Feel free to continue discussing the High end platform choice lads! :smokingc:
 

SABRE

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Highly predictable move by PAF, Umair wont u say. But I still believe PAF is looking for a Western Jet at the same time aswell. Just to come to parity with Indian line up of Frontliners. SU-27,Su-30,Mirage2000-5 & MiG-29 are all frontline capable jets. So If PAF gets its new F-16s (18 that USA offered) & older ones upgraded, J-10 from China, offcourse JF-17 will be there & with that another western Jet like Gripen,EF-2000 or Rafale will bring the air superiority to Parity or to Pakistan.

I believe tht if USA agrees to sell F-16s to Pakistan now & also in future, PAF should build a big line of F-16s. About 200 would do. Along with JF-17s, J-10s & any Western Jet we can get.

So when r the F-16 pilots leavin for China to become J-10 pilots?
 

P.A.F

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India protests against proposed sale of F-16s to Pakistan


By Our Correspondent

WASHINGTON, Oct 21 Alarmed by reports that the US administration may sell some F-16s to Pakistan if President George Bush was re-elected, India has strongly protested to Washington against the proposed sale, saying that it would spark an arms race in South Asia.

Pakistan has rejected the Indian protest, saying that there already exists a conventional imbalance to the detriment of Pakistan and the proposed sale will only help bridge the existing gap between the defence capabilities of the two countries.

Aware of the sensitivities of the issue, the State Department is telling both sides that Washington has not yet taken a decision on the matter.

The Indian protest followed a statement last week by Rear Admiral Craig McDonald, head of the office of the US defence representative in Pakistan, who told a Pentagon-organized conference on security cooperation that the Bush administration would go before Congress early next year to seek authorization for the sale.

"It's a very long, involved process that will be taken up with our Congress once they come back after the first of the year," press reports quoted him as saying.

Participants in a six-day US-India forum sponsored by the Aspen Institute and the Confederation of Indian Industry earlier this week said they told US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld that such a sale, while manageable for the Indian military, would be taken badly by the Indian public.

Mr Rumsfeld did not comment on the prospects of the sale of the F-16s at the meeting but a retired senior Indian military officer later told reporters that he understood the plan called for an initial sale of 18 planes, with another 62 aircraft to be sold later.

The State Department, however, told Dawn that so far no decision had been taken anywhere, at any level of the US government, on the sale of F-16s to Pakistan.

Non-Pakistani diplomatic sources, while talking to Dawn, said the Indians were upset because they had reasons to believe that the US government was very sympathetic to Pakistan.

One such source said the US government had indicated to Pakistan that the door (to the F-16s) had not been closed yet and at some point, it might come up for serious discussions. Something might be moving, it might be even true, but nobody had made any decision yet, the source added.

Brigadier Shafqaat Ahmed, Pakistan's defence attaché in Washington, told Dawn that Pakistan had raised the issue of F-16s at every level of meetings it had held with the US administration.

"We are hoping that the decision to this long-standing request will be favourable because it answers some of our very critical defence needs," he said. But, he said, it was a long process which involved many meetings and reviews before a decision was taken.

Brig Ahmed rejected the Indian concern as baseless because, he said, the Indians had a capability that was far superior to what Pakistan did. There were already conventional imbalances, imbalances that every country tried to bridge, said Brig Ahmed. And this weapon system is one of many weapons systems that would redress a conventional imbalance that exists to the detriment of Pakistan.

He rejected the Indian protest that the sale of F-16s will spark an arms race in South Asia. There is no arms race going on. Our defence budget is frozen for many years and our defence expenditure is very modest.

An Indian official, however, told reporters that New Delhi was against introducing such advanced weaponry into South Asia. They were not useful in the war on terror, and experience had shown that they could be used against India. They could spark a build-up of a weapons race in the region, the official told the Washington Times.

In September, the Pakistani press carried a statement by PAF chief Air Martial Kaleem Saadat as saying that the United States had agreed to consider selling the nation F-16s fighter jets.

Washington sold 40 F-16s to Pakistan from 1983 through 1987, when Pakistan supported Washington's efforts to drive the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan. But in 1990, Congress passed legislation halting delivery of the jets because it said Pakistan was making a nuclear bomb.

http://www.dawn.com/2004/10/22/top8.htm
 

ashoaib

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Why are They (India) buying SU-30s???? :?: ????? they can be used against Pakistan, is it not a concern??? Do everything by yourself but not allow others to do anything. India has already spark an arm race why they are crying. India always a crying baby even when Pakistan buy a single bullet. Be a MAN face it like a MAN. We never requested Russia not sell weapons.
Well I read in a news paper that US officials says that they are not interested to increase Pakistani conventional war capabilities at all. So there is no question of F-16s sale in large number and they will be definitely block 50 or less.
Good news about J-10 from Umair. i think Pakistan also get some high tech front line ACs from west beside J-10.
Is Gripen better than F-16 block 60???? anyone know???? :?:
 

mysterious

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Yeah, my opinion is also hanging between F-16 Block 50 and Gripen (I dont think Pakistan can ever get Block 60). And ofcourse, J-10 will come as the Chinese losen up a bit about it. :smokingc:
 

ashoaib

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They will losen up if Pakistan try they know our problem. I have some concerns about its avoinics and Radar system coz its mostly Chinese made and they are not good in it till yet. Over all J-10 is a good plate form. What if we get Radars from Sweden and put it on J-10? in this way our J-10s will become better than Chinese one. ;)
 

P.A.F

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well at present our best options in my point of view are the gripens and j-10's and maybeeeeeee f-16's.
hey any news on those qatar mirages? did they sell em? if yes who to? is no then are they still intrested in selling them? ;)
 
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