Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]

Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?


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SABRE

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Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

Ok here is some thing interesting i came across.
Its not the PAF that went looking for Grippen but it were rather The Swedz who approached PAF for Grippens. Grippens have been in PAF pockets since 1994 when Swedz defence deligation gave its presenatation on Grippen. PAF liked the Jets but still saw F-16s as more cost efficient than any other Jet.
Now after 10yrs when PAF is desprite for news Jets reconfired Swedz that the deal is still on.
The president is leaving for Europe & USA trip most probably on 24th June. He still has F-16s on agenda. So if PAF gets F-16s than Grippens might not be purchased & if denied again by the end of july PAF Grippens would be under way its construction (minor addition on already built 1st hand Grippens standing by) & by August or September Pakistani will see Grippens fly over Khi skies with roaring sounds as they take of from their carriers.

I went on with a research on this news & all I found was that its true that Swedz made the first move & as PAF badly needs a front role fighter they might just go for it. Another source told me that Pak is going for both F-16s & Grippens. Its not 60 empty slots in PAF but 80. 40 Grippens is minimum estimated number while actual number might be near 60 & 20 F-16s. If no F-16s than 60+ Grippens & rest would be Mirrage 2000-5 from France (Mirrage are also on Presidents agenda). There is no chance for Rafel as PAF has already evaluated it but PAF deligation might just visit EF-2000 for future purchase. The actual budget for PAF is disclosed but it is no doubt very high.

Thirdly JF-17 is going to go pro. PAF deligation is going to give their presentation to NATO & oon the other hand has asked for help from France & Swedz to upgrade the Jet (may be even help make it double seated). But this is a roumer & I dont have any idea abt it aswell. May be the redar system might be improved or some thing. (Chian would love to see Pak succeed in this, if it happens China wuld be re-interested in the Jet)

In 2001 Powel Denied the release of F-16s to Pak but now Donald Rusfield has given some indications for the release of F-16s. He also told this to the new Indian foregin minister.

Meanwhile Hindustan times has reported that Swedz have confirmed Grippen's sale to PAF.This proves that Grippen is not a roumer.
(you can search this news on the net)

Another Info I came across is that Swedz dont provide arms to any country involved in conflict but they do provide all the spare parts & maintainance unlike USA. So this just might force PAF to buy Grippens after all rather the USA's F-16s.
 

adsH

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Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

FIRST SABER look at my link that i provided its the story of PAFs Aquasitions(alink). they were denied Grippens from the US becasue at that time it had too much american stuff. and second F-16 are still going to come PAF needs them, grippens are almost done and Mirages are off the table Pak will not have enough money to support the Mirage 2000 after grippens. the news on the JF-17 being upgraded by french and being pitted in the Nato Arms market might be true!! but i need a link.
 

SABRE

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Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

adsH said:
FIRST SABER look at my link that i provided its the story of PAFs Aquasitions(alink). they were denied Grippens from the US becasue at that time it had too much american stuff. and second F-16 are still going to come PAF needs them, grippens are almost done and Mirages are off the table Pak will not have enough money to support the Mirage 2000 after grippens. the news on the JF-17 being upgraded by french and being pitted in the Nato Arms market might be true!! but i need a link.
Sorry dint c ur link. But what I wrote is what I herd not read so I ve got no link. About Grippens being offered in 1994 I have been hearing this since 1996, I just reconfirmed. About F-16 u r right PAF needs them & I think they shuld get them I pray 4 it. Mirrage I dnt think r off the table so easily, I mean PAF looking 4 those Mirrage 2000-5 from that Middle east country I forgot the name. If they get it than they will have to go to France for evey thing else & y waist money on Just 12 of those Jets. If they leave them out than Mirrage are off the hook or the table.
Besides if again PAF is denied F-16s u wont go on buying 80 Grippens (80 once again is the number of slots empty in PAF not 60 or 40). Than we get Mirrage 2005. Grippens are coming. Read the conditions of Swedz for countries envolved in Conflict I wrote in my previous post. This condition will definitly attract PAF towards Swedz than USA. So Grippen is there.
About JF-17 being upgraded by Europeans with Pakistan will take the project to much higher level & Pak might just have a front role fighter of its own. This is what I have herd by pocking my ears in not read it from net so no links again. Hope it happens.

& yes if there is any chance of PAk getting F-16s is this year as republicans wud be going out of the white house. Democrated dnt like us they like India so if Karry comes in 4get those F-16s. Hes even going to go against our nukes. So the upcoming visit of President is the last hope of getting those F-16s for next 5 yrs. Thats y m saying that Mirrage 2000-5 might be on the table.

& I'll c ur link & talk again. Thanx 4 da reply
 

fieldmarshal

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Swedish Government denies selling Gripen to Pakistan.

SWEDISH GOVERNMENT DENIES SELLING GRIPEN TO PAKISTAN
http://www.sr.se/Ekot/artikel.asp?artikel=433000
09:18 | söndag 20 juni 2004
Gripenförsäljning dementeras
Uppgifterna om att Pakistan skulle ha fått underhandsbesked om att f?köpa 40 svenska Gripen-plan dementeras av försvarsministern och försvarets materielverk.
Uppgifterna kom ursprungligen från en pakistansk TV-station.
Det har inte kommit någon förfrågan om en försäljning av plan men om en sådan skulle komma den att prövas enligt gängse regler, säger försvarsministerns pressekreterare Magnus Edin.


BASICALLY THIS SUGGESTS THAT THE SWEDISH GOVERNMENT HAS DENIED THAT ITS SELLING GRIPEN TO PAKISTAN, AND SAID PAKISTAN HAS MADE NO MOVE TO ACCUIRE THESE PLANES...................wtf :D:
 

adsH

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Re: SWEDISH GOVERNMENT DENIES SELLING GRIPEN TO PAKISTAN

fieldmarshal said:
SWEDISH GOVERNMENT DENIES SELLING GRIPEN TO PAKISTAN
http://www.sr.se/Ekot/artikel.asp?artikel=433000
09:18 | söndag 20 juni 2004
Gripenförsäljning dementeras
Uppgifterna om att Pakistan skulle ha fått underhandsbesked om att f?köpa 40 svenska Gripen-plan dementeras av försvarsministern och försvarets materielverk.
Uppgifterna kom ursprungligen från en pakistansk TV-station.
Det har inte kommit någon förfrågan om en försäljning av plan men om en sådan skulle komma den att prövas enligt gängse regler, säger försvarsministerns pressekreterare Magnus Edin.


BASICALLY THIS SUGGESTS THAT THE SWEDISH GOVERNMENT HAS DENIED THAT ITS SELLING GRIPEN TO PAKISTAN, AND SAID PAKISTAN HAS MADE NO MOVE TO ACCUIRE THESE PLANES...................wtf :D:
its all part of the plan i guess

PAF never announced it officially that they have Chosen the AC so this was a leak so the best thing for Saab to do is deny it out right to Protect its Clients Privacy. PAF is very sensitive about these Things. and there is an intense competition between Desault and Saab. so Saab has to Watch what they say on the Media.
 

Pathfinder-X

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Re: SWEDISH GOVERNMENT DENIES SELLING GRIPEN TO PAKISTAN

or maybe PAF never sign any deal with the Swedish government for Gripen.
 

webmaster

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Re: SWEDISH GOVERNMENT DENIES SELLING GRIPEN TO PAKISTAN

Very rough english translation:

Gripenförsäljning deny
Duties if attPakistan should have got underhandsbesked if that poll buys 40 Swede Catching- flat deny of försvarsministern and defense materielverk.

Duties arrived original from a Pakistani TELEVISION- station.

It has nots committee any query if a sale of flat but if a such would come the that test under current regler,säger försvarsministerns pressekreterareMagnus Edin.
 

Pathfinder-X

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Re: SWEDISH GOVERNMENT DENIES SELLING GRIPEN TO PAKISTAN

eh??? the translation doesn't make much sense to me webs. :?
 

Londo Molari

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Re: SWEDISH GOVERNMENT DENIES SELLING GRIPEN TO PAKISTAN

HAHA! Thats to all the foolish, ignorantly hopefull buffoons who thought we could get Gripen, or Eurofighter of the F-16... I told you... JF-17 and J-10 is all we can get, so lets make the best of that.
 

Londo Molari

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Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

So much for Gripen. Check the "Sweden denies PAF the Gripen" topic. Lets stop dreaming.
 

lalith prasad

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Re: SWEDISH GOVERNMENT DENIES SELLING GRIPEN TO PAKISTAN

sweden had sworn that it will remain quite neutral when it comes to selling high tech systems to india or pakistan.besides it also wouldnt want to lose the contract for indian fh (requirement about 1000 guns)
 

lalith prasad

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Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

france had offered india rafale c and rafale m .however they were rejected because su30mki was selected for the airforce a custom built aircraft with almost equal capability as the rafale.rafale m and mig29k were in the reckoning for the naval carrier but the mig was selected as it was cheaper and a custom built variant.mig29k costs half of rafale.so the grippen deal must have been something like the indian experience.
 

fieldmarshal

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Re: SWEDISH GOVERNMENT DENIES SELLING GRIPEN TO PAKISTAN

when u stand to make around 5 billion dollars than u forget bout neutrality.........even russia if it had the oppertunity would sell even its mother for that sort of hard cash.....in this business there are no neutrals.......every 1 is lookin to make a buck......i wouldent be surprised if at the end of the day its the americans who end up gettin all the contracts cuz remember this is hard cash we are talkin bout... :smokingc:
N PAF will most certainly buy a western front line 4th/5th gen fighter aircraft......that is a forgone conclusion, we'll see it in PAF colors even before the thunder arrives.
 

tatra

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Re: SWEDISH GOVERNMENT DENIES SELLING GRIPEN TO PAKISTAN

fieldmarshal said:
when u stand to make around 5 billion dollars than u forget bout neutrality.........even russia if it had the oppertunity would sell even its mother for that sort of hard cash.....in this business there are no neutrals.......every 1 is lookin to make a buck......i wouldent be surprised if at the end of the day its the americans who end up gettin all the contracts cuz remember this is hard cash we are talkin bout... :smokingc:
N PAF will most certainly buy a western front line 4th/5th gen fighter aircraft......that is a forgone conclusion, we'll see it in PAF colors even before the thunder arrives.
Don't count on Rafala, Tyhpoon or Gripen coming that way. Too much risk of technology ending up in chinese hands. You might see some more F16's. That's pretty much it.
 

P.A.F

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Re: SWEDISH GOVERNMENT DENIES SELLING GRIPEN TO PAKISTAN

lets just wait till the 30th coz thats when all will be reveiled. :D:
 

adsH

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Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!

Londo Molari said:
So much for Gripen. Check the "Sweden denies PAF the Gripen" topic. Lets stop dreaming.
they have denied haveing a deal, well thats true Pak hasn't approached to Buy them yet Musharaf is going to do that next month, its simple common sense. who would deniy there already starved INdustry 5 billion dollar contract..
 
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