Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]
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wrong again pakistan is a unique democracy. it has permanent elements that will stay in power bringing consistency to foreign policy the Army thinks as one. the Army is now part of the Government which is elected by the People. Musharaf knows as-soon as he looses the Uniform he will become a figure head president. the Power will ultimately remain in the Army's hand. thats how Musharaf has Hardwired the Pakistani government. something like Turkey. the Army has always been Pro western Secularist. its a fact !!Roger Smith said:
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Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!
An important factor when offering the Gripen for export, is the aircraft missile system. Currently, the Gripens used by the Swedish Air Force are armed with AIM-120 AMRAAM, AIM-9 Sidewinder, the Saab Dynamics RBS 15 for ship targets, and the Maverick ground attack missile. Saab Dynamics cooperates with the major European missile manufacturers in the development of new air-to-air missiles for the Eurofighter, the Rafale and the Gripen. The two main projects currently underway are the Meteor and the IRIS-T. The Meteor is a radar-guided, medium range (10-120 km.) air-to-air missile, which will compete with future versions of the Raytheon AIM-120 AMRAAM. The Meteor program features Matra BAe Dynamics, Saab Dynamics, Alenia Difesa, Marconi and German LFK. The IRIS-T is an IR-guided, short-range air-to-air missile, primarily funded by Germany for the Eurofighter. The project group includes Bodenseewerk Geratechnik and Saab Dynamics.
I am assuming once you Buy the grippens, saab helps procure the necessary Missiles for its customers. this is monopolistic. apperntly 28 Brazilian Grippens costed over 1.5 billion Dollars, and i bet PAF has a Long list of subsystem that would have to be integrated in it. Apparently Bae system and Saab works together on Export models and there is no fixed price per Airframe, entirely depends what you want on the AC. i think PAF should go for the orignal Upgraded American Power-plant not a french one (i think they have an option the swede would put any thing you want in the AC if you are allowed to have em )
An important factor when offering the Gripen for export, is the aircraft missile system. Currently, the Gripens used by the Swedish Air Force are armed with AIM-120 AMRAAM, AIM-9 Sidewinder, the Saab Dynamics RBS 15 for ship targets, and the Maverick ground attack missile. Saab Dynamics cooperates with the major European missile manufacturers in the development of new air-to-air missiles for the Eurofighter, the Rafale and the Gripen. The two main projects currently underway are the Meteor and the IRIS-T. The Meteor is a radar-guided, medium range (10-120 km.) air-to-air missile, which will compete with future versions of the Raytheon AIM-120 AMRAAM. The Meteor program features Matra BAe Dynamics, Saab Dynamics, Alenia Difesa, Marconi and German LFK. The IRIS-T is an IR-guided, short-range air-to-air missile, primarily funded by Germany for the Eurofighter. The project group includes Bodenseewerk Geratechnik and Saab Dynamics.
I am assuming once you Buy the grippens, saab helps procure the necessary Missiles for its customers. this is monopolistic. apperntly 28 Brazilian Grippens costed over 1.5 billion Dollars, and i bet PAF has a Long list of subsystem that would have to be integrated in it. Apparently Bae system and Saab works together on Export models and there is no fixed price per Airframe, entirely depends what you want on the AC. i think PAF should go for the orignal Upgraded American Power-plant not a french one (i think they have an option the swede would put any thing you want in the AC if you are allowed to have em )
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Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!
Saber, have you ever studied or at least perused a Gripen's capabilities? They are not a pure interceptor. They are a true 4th generation multi-role fighter. They are equally adept at air to ground missions as they are in air to air. Because they are newer they are probably more capable than F-16's at this in fact. Also consider that there IS no next generation fighter that is soley an air defence fighter these days. The F-22 is the closest thing to a pure air to air next gen fighter that exists these days and even it has the ability to carry JDAMS and Small Diameter Bombs internally...
The Gripen will provide the PAF with an excellent air to air capability, but also an excellent air to ground capability. There is no need in my view to replicate this capability (to a lesser degree) with 2 or more types of fighters that are designed to carry out similar missions (ie: F-16, JF-17, Mirage 111/5, A/5, F-7 etc). Pakistan's best force structure in my view would be to acquire as many Gripen's as they possibly can even if they acquire them in several batches, thus allowing the purchase of 100 or so "sophisticated Western Fighters" like the Gripen to provide them with a qualitative edge over any likely adversary and round out their force, numbers wise with something like the JF-17, a capable fighter built largely by Pakistan, that will enhance Pakistan's aerospace industry and make them more self sufficient. This appears to be the direction Musharraf is trying to take Pakistan from what I can see. I would then try and sell off most of the older but still capable jets in PAF's inventory, with some kept in reserve.
Adsh is quite right too. PAF urgently needs to obtain a quality BVR air to air combat capability, with this new jet, the days of WVR air to air combat remaining viable are fast running out. Even a Gripen only equipped with a WVR missile will be limited in air combat these days. The Meteor and IRIS-T would be an excellent combination to arm the Gripen with for air to air. Cheers.
Saber, have you ever studied or at least perused a Gripen's capabilities? They are not a pure interceptor. They are a true 4th generation multi-role fighter. They are equally adept at air to ground missions as they are in air to air. Because they are newer they are probably more capable than F-16's at this in fact. Also consider that there IS no next generation fighter that is soley an air defence fighter these days. The F-22 is the closest thing to a pure air to air next gen fighter that exists these days and even it has the ability to carry JDAMS and Small Diameter Bombs internally...
The Gripen will provide the PAF with an excellent air to air capability, but also an excellent air to ground capability. There is no need in my view to replicate this capability (to a lesser degree) with 2 or more types of fighters that are designed to carry out similar missions (ie: F-16, JF-17, Mirage 111/5, A/5, F-7 etc). Pakistan's best force structure in my view would be to acquire as many Gripen's as they possibly can even if they acquire them in several batches, thus allowing the purchase of 100 or so "sophisticated Western Fighters" like the Gripen to provide them with a qualitative edge over any likely adversary and round out their force, numbers wise with something like the JF-17, a capable fighter built largely by Pakistan, that will enhance Pakistan's aerospace industry and make them more self sufficient. This appears to be the direction Musharraf is trying to take Pakistan from what I can see. I would then try and sell off most of the older but still capable jets in PAF's inventory, with some kept in reserve.
Adsh is quite right too. PAF urgently needs to obtain a quality BVR air to air combat capability, with this new jet, the days of WVR air to air combat remaining viable are fast running out. Even a Gripen only equipped with a WVR missile will be limited in air combat these days. The Meteor and IRIS-T would be an excellent combination to arm the Gripen with for air to air. Cheers.
Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!
ditto re aussie-diggers comments.
Pakistan needs to really consider minimising overlap on aircraft capability and type logistics. A continuing committment to multiple aircraft types, some of which have limited value in modern air combat is detrimental to efficiency and overall defence capabilities.
The hidden costs associated with ongoing training, cross training, and a convoluted logistics train are just not effective.
ditto re aussie-diggers comments.
Pakistan needs to really consider minimising overlap on aircraft capability and type logistics. A continuing committment to multiple aircraft types, some of which have limited value in modern air combat is detrimental to efficiency and overall defence capabilities.
The hidden costs associated with ongoing training, cross training, and a convoluted logistics train are just not effective.
Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!
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Any ways in 1973 President Zulfikar Ali Bhutto signed the orders for the grounding of Sabers by 1975 as he saw no use for them & Govt had to pay maintainance cost for almost nothing. In 1974 PAF Chief insisted on keeping the Sabers for Training purpose to which the Zulfikar Ali Bhutto who was now the Prime minister agreed & delayed Saber's grounding to 1979-80 (Most of the sabers were being used for training purpose since 1969-70). In 1979 PM ZAB was hanged or rather Assassinated & in Jan 1980 last PAF Saber was flown by PAF Chief & Grounded by him. That was the last time any one saw a Saber flying on Pakistani Skies.
The only importance PAF had for Saber were that it was the First ever Jet Fighter to be indulged in PAF inventory. There performance was good in 1965 war. Brought down many Indian MiGs including the few MiG19 & it was a saber I think which delibritly crashed into stand by Indian Jets at PathanKot in 65 thus destroyin them & their fuel tanks which ended up destroying entire air field (again I think it was a saber).
Any ways. I flew a Jas-39 Grippen Last night. LoL: No not in reality. My youngest Bro has a PS2 & he got a game called Leathal Skies. I dint use to play the game but I read about it on the net. A preview said that the game was licensed by USA Company Grummen & all the Jets in the game based & made according to their real counterparts. So an F-16 in a game reacts like an F-16 does in reality. So I gave it a shot. As we are more concerned about Indian Jets, I put the Grippen against the Mirrage 2000, Su-27 & 30.
If truly the Jets reactions are based on reality than PAF made the right choice. I brought down all the three Jets with in 20 mins. Grippen was certainly the fastest & the deadly.
Today I saw my Bro play an other game called AceCombat 4 whcih is much better than LeathalSkies much more accurate to the reality based sceneios. but it has no Grippen. But it is still good. It has mirrage 2000-5 & Rafel along with the EF-2000. So today I'll be an EF-2000 Pilot. M still waiting for my bro to unlock F-22.
Any ways :
Originally posted by srirangan:
Well won't the PAF chief go for the deal? Or is Musharraf the air force chief too?
Originally posted by Roger Smith:
Pakistan is a ONE MAN SHOW, there is no democracy., which basically in all Muslim or Arab countries. Therefore Pervez Musharraf is Paksitan as long he can survive in his position.
adsH:
wrong again pakistan is a unique democracy. it has permanent elements that will stay in power bringing consistency to foreign policy the Army thinks as one. the Army is now part of the Government which is elected by the People. Musharaf knows as-soon as he looses the Uniform he will become a figure head president. the Power will ultimately remain in the Army's hand. thats how Musharaf has Hardwired the Pakistani government. something like Turkey. the Army has always been Pro western Secularist. its a fact !!
All three of u seem to be a bit out of Information. First the army was not ellected only Musharaf was & there is a democracy in Pak not proper but it is there. It will become proper by the end of this year. The only sector being run by the army is WAPDA.
Anyways SriRangan ur question is y isnt PAF Chief going for the deal y Musharaf. U c Pakistan doesnt have Chief of Army it has Chief of Armed Forces who hold command over all three sections of the Armed forces & Musharaf Happens to be the Chief of armed Forces. Secondly any defence deal has to be first signed by the President of Pakistan which again is your truly Musharaf.
So right now Musharaf is a mulitrole tactical fighter. Without his droppings of bombs there is no way of getting any thing for PAF or the Army or theNavy. PAF Chief is only a wing commander who is appointed by the Defence minister, the Chief of the Armed forces, the PM & the President. Musharaf hold two of the four jobs & happens to control the rest of the 4.
I do want to answer RogerSmith but lets keep the thread clean & talk relevance.
And AussieDigger Thans Realy 4 the Info. Any ways Grippen being Multirole fighter still doesnt mean that PAF should buy many of one thing. India has two fornt line fighter Mirrage 2000 & Su-27 & 30.
40 Grippens & New Gen 20 F-16s wont hurt but would be great. On theother Hand 60 Grippens is not too bad.
Just a Joke. I waz refering to my self. But my cadit friend once told me that USAF Sabers are still entact & are on sale. Many civilians have even bought them. Offcourse they have been stripped off their combat ability. He says PAF is also considering to do so, some Pak sabers are still entact & can be found in PAF base in Khi & Chaklala. But y waist money on a pre historic jet when u can buy a motorcycle of the same price & take a tour of Khi city. LoLadsH said:saber said:One Saber is still flying around. LoLadsH said:
yeas i can see ONE saber still flying around here :lol
(hey jokes aside is there really a saber flying around or is that just a joke.0
: Any ways in 1973 President Zulfikar Ali Bhutto signed the orders for the grounding of Sabers by 1975 as he saw no use for them & Govt had to pay maintainance cost for almost nothing. In 1974 PAF Chief insisted on keeping the Sabers for Training purpose to which the Zulfikar Ali Bhutto who was now the Prime minister agreed & delayed Saber's grounding to 1979-80 (Most of the sabers were being used for training purpose since 1969-70). In 1979 PM ZAB was hanged or rather Assassinated & in Jan 1980 last PAF Saber was flown by PAF Chief & Grounded by him. That was the last time any one saw a Saber flying on Pakistani Skies.
The only importance PAF had for Saber were that it was the First ever Jet Fighter to be indulged in PAF inventory. There performance was good in 1965 war. Brought down many Indian MiGs including the few MiG19 & it was a saber I think which delibritly crashed into stand by Indian Jets at PathanKot in 65 thus destroyin them & their fuel tanks which ended up destroying entire air field (again I think it was a saber).
Any ways. I flew a Jas-39 Grippen Last night. LoL
: No not in reality. My youngest Bro has a PS2 & he got a game called Leathal Skies. I dint use to play the game but I read about it on the net. A preview said that the game was licensed by USA Company Grummen & all the Jets in the game based & made according to their real counterparts. So an F-16 in a game reacts like an F-16 does in reality. So I gave it a shot. As we are more concerned about Indian Jets, I put the Grippen against the Mirrage 2000, Su-27 & 30.If truly the Jets reactions are based on reality than PAF made the right choice. I brought down all the three Jets with in 20 mins. Grippen was certainly the fastest & the deadly.
Today I saw my Bro play an other game called AceCombat 4 whcih is much better than LeathalSkies much more accurate to the reality based sceneios. but it has no Grippen. But it is still good. It has mirrage 2000-5 & Rafel along with the EF-2000. So today I'll be an EF-2000 Pilot. M still waiting for my bro to unlock F-22.
Any ways :
Originally posted by srirangan:
Well won't the PAF chief go for the deal? Or is Musharraf the air force chief too?
Originally posted by Roger Smith:
Pakistan is a ONE MAN SHOW, there is no democracy., which basically in all Muslim or Arab countries. Therefore Pervez Musharraf is Paksitan as long he can survive in his position.
adsH:
wrong again pakistan is a unique democracy. it has permanent elements that will stay in power bringing consistency to foreign policy the Army thinks as one. the Army is now part of the Government which is elected by the People. Musharaf knows as-soon as he looses the Uniform he will become a figure head president. the Power will ultimately remain in the Army's hand. thats how Musharaf has Hardwired the Pakistani government. something like Turkey. the Army has always been Pro western Secularist. its a fact !!
All three of u seem to be a bit out of Information. First the army was not ellected only Musharaf was & there is a democracy in Pak not proper but it is there. It will become proper by the end of this year. The only sector being run by the army is WAPDA.
Anyways SriRangan ur question is y isnt PAF Chief going for the deal y Musharaf. U c Pakistan doesnt have Chief of Army it has Chief of Armed Forces who hold command over all three sections of the Armed forces & Musharaf Happens to be the Chief of armed Forces. Secondly any defence deal has to be first signed by the President of Pakistan which again is your truly Musharaf.
So right now Musharaf is a mulitrole tactical fighter. Without his droppings of bombs there is no way of getting any thing for PAF or the Army or theNavy. PAF Chief is only a wing commander who is appointed by the Defence minister, the Chief of the Armed forces, the PM & the President. Musharaf hold two of the four jobs & happens to control the rest of the 4.
I do want to answer RogerSmith but lets keep the thread clean & talk relevance.
And AussieDigger Thans Realy 4 the Info. Any ways Grippen being Multirole fighter still doesnt mean that PAF should buy many of one thing. India has two fornt line fighter Mirrage 2000 & Su-27 & 30.
40 Grippens & New Gen 20 F-16s wont hurt but would be great. On theother Hand 60 Grippens is not too bad.
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Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!
I wonder why the Pakistan don't take the JF17 technology basic to design a new fighter different from the others?
This will bulid up a strong basic for the Pakistan aerospace industrial. this will allow someday the Pakistan can make their owns fighter and don't need go shopping around...
China can make J8 from J7, so why don't the Pakistan also try so?
The US army now very near to the India bourder, so you can sure they will be no war between Pakistan and India for next 10 years or more...
China need 40 years to become today, maybe Pakistan with China help only need 15 to 20 years?
I wonder why the Pakistan don't take the JF17 technology basic to design a new fighter different from the others?
This will bulid up a strong basic for the Pakistan aerospace industrial. this will allow someday the Pakistan can make their owns fighter and don't need go shopping around...
China can make J8 from J7, so why don't the Pakistan also try so?
The US army now very near to the India bourder, so you can sure they will be no war between Pakistan and India for next 10 years or more...
China need 40 years to become today, maybe Pakistan with China help only need 15 to 20 years?
Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!
Yes the chinese are giving PAF the ability to manufacture this Jet at home but pakistan is not interested in Manufacturing the Shell at home, they are more interested in putting the electrics and the Subs ystem in the AC. they would be able to start there own production if they need to.Deltared075 said:
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Nonsense aside, while I was away I did some poking about and this is what I came up with.The Grippen is a very capable aircraft and one which fits into PAF's future force structure and improvement plans quite nicely, making a nice pair with the JF-17(which I may again emphasise is also a 4th generation aircraft now).Also nothing is firm yet so we'd better hold our horses(of imagination).The other options I keep on mentioning in my posts are also still open, though the Grippen seems to have leaped ahead of the M2K5DF and Typhoon.
BTW guys when I first read this news I went like:"my sources tell me onething but the press says something else wtf is this" Then once again contacted my sources and came to know that the PAF's higher ups and the defence ministry have developed a sudden liking for the Grippen.Politics! tis a peculiar business I must say!(any comments on wether this thing is politically motivated? sure seems that way to me)
BTW guys when I first read this news I went like:"my sources tell me onething but the press says something else wtf is this" Then once again contacted my sources and came to know that the PAF's higher ups and the defence ministry have developed a sudden liking for the Grippen.Politics! tis a peculiar business I must say!(any comments on wether this thing is politically motivated? sure seems that way to me)
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Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!
i dont know...........come to think of it wt has Pakisatn to gain by pleasin the swedes in any way.........wt sort of clout do they have on Pakistans ruling class............id say zero..........there has to be more than just politics.....id say its a Paf decision through n through........but hay stranger things ave happened so lets just wait n see till mush land in sweden soon
i dont know...........come to think of it wt has Pakisatn to gain by pleasin the swedes in any way.........wt sort of clout do they have on Pakistans ruling class............id say zero..........there has to be more than just politics.....id say its a Paf decision through n through........but hay stranger things ave happened so lets just wait n see till mush land in sweden soon
Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!
Ok guys i found this on the Pak def site so i thought it might be worth putting it on ours.
(June 7, 2004): In what might be the biggest ever military deal Sweden has signed reliable sources have quoted senior officials of SAAB, Ericsson Microwave Systems and Volvo-Aero saying that Pakistan is on the verge of concluding deals worth more than $4.7billion. The deal includes Saab Gripen fighter aircrafts and Ericsson Microwave Systems Erieye AEW&C mission systems along with extensive support systems. Sources are further quoted as saying that Pakistan will buy 44 Gripen fighters with an option to buy another 60 aircrafts and an undisclosed number of Erieye AEW&C surveillance aircrafts.
http://www.forecastinternational.co...n704/index.html
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scan from official PAF history book (‘The Story of Pakistan Air Force’) which documents the previous attempt of PAF at acquiring the Gripen: http://www.pakdef.info/temp/gripen&PAF.jpg
i think this is the first batch that will be followed onn by at-least 40 more in the coming years. it doesn't make sense to Buy A paticular type of an Aircraft, invest on acquiring its overhauling tech and not have a large number of them in service. I am sure PAF will get more of these, i think they won't go more then 80, PAF still plans to aquire more F-16 to bring the number of their current Front line fighter up to significant level. apperntly the grippen cost only 2000 dollars to keep in the air and the russian jets cost like 25000 per hour, i got this estimation from the Gripen Repersentatives Intrieview Script. I think he must of been compareing the aggregate cost of the Maintainance required and Fuel cost Pilot training cost and the ammount of ground support personel required for each AC.
Apparently Deasault has reportedly shipped a Mirage 2000-5 mk2 and a Rafael to Pakistan for evaluation when they saw the grippens were gaining lead after the grippens were being tested by PAF personal in Pakistan (this was in january so its old news). Desault is Worried that it would loose a lucrative market and a satisfied operator that is PAF, Desault has been over chargeing for the current Mirage spares. I can't believe they would do such a thing !!
PAF has just procured the remaining 50 Mirage 5 from the Libyan Air-force inventory after procuring the Lebanese Mirage 5. and i guess some of them will be upgraded to Rose 3 specs and inducted in to the Existing Squadrons to add to the numbers, the rest of the mirages would be used for Cannibalization for parts. these mirages would stay in service for some time, but they will slowly be phased out as JF-17 phase inn.
Ok guys i found this on the Pak def site so i thought it might be worth putting it on ours.
(June 7, 2004): In what might be the biggest ever military deal Sweden has signed reliable sources have quoted senior officials of SAAB, Ericsson Microwave Systems and Volvo-Aero saying that Pakistan is on the verge of concluding deals worth more than $4.7billion. The deal includes Saab Gripen fighter aircrafts and Ericsson Microwave Systems Erieye AEW&C mission systems along with extensive support systems. Sources are further quoted as saying that Pakistan will buy 44 Gripen fighters with an option to buy another 60 aircrafts and an undisclosed number of Erieye AEW&C surveillance aircrafts.
http://www.forecastinternational.co...n704/index.html
H Khan
scan from official PAF history book (‘The Story of Pakistan Air Force’) which documents the previous attempt of PAF at acquiring the Gripen: http://www.pakdef.info/temp/gripen&PAF.jpg
i think this is the first batch that will be followed onn by at-least 40 more in the coming years. it doesn't make sense to Buy A paticular type of an Aircraft, invest on acquiring its overhauling tech and not have a large number of them in service. I am sure PAF will get more of these, i think they won't go more then 80, PAF still plans to aquire more F-16 to bring the number of their current Front line fighter up to significant level. apperntly the grippen cost only 2000 dollars to keep in the air and the russian jets cost like 25000 per hour, i got this estimation from the Gripen Repersentatives Intrieview Script. I think he must of been compareing the aggregate cost of the Maintainance required and Fuel cost Pilot training cost and the ammount of ground support personel required for each AC.
Apparently Deasault has reportedly shipped a Mirage 2000-5 mk2 and a Rafael to Pakistan for evaluation when they saw the grippens were gaining lead after the grippens were being tested by PAF personal in Pakistan (this was in january so its old news). Desault is Worried that it would loose a lucrative market and a satisfied operator that is PAF, Desault has been over chargeing for the current Mirage spares. I can't believe they would do such a thing !!
PAF has just procured the remaining 50 Mirage 5 from the Libyan Air-force inventory after procuring the Lebanese Mirage 5. and i guess some of them will be upgraded to Rose 3 specs and inducted in to the Existing Squadrons to add to the numbers, the rest of the mirages would be used for Cannibalization for parts. these mirages would stay in service for some time, but they will slowly be phased out as JF-17 phase inn.
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Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!
Woah!! Nice piceces of info there adsh. You're the man! I've been missing out quite a bit these days on PAF's acquisition info and there it is. Thnx a lot for that. Really appreciated! Lets hope PAF makes the wisest decision (personally I think they should go for the Gripens and ERIEYE). About the Lebanese Mirage Vs and Libyan ones, I think they would all be upgraded to ROSE configuration and kept in service till at least 2015 cuz otherwise, their acquisition wouldn't be worth it. So now, I basically see; Mirage Vs, Gripens and Jf-17s forming the line-up of a formiddable PAF. :smokingc:
Woah!! Nice piceces of info there adsh. You're the man! I've been missing out quite a bit these days on PAF's acquisition info and there it is. Thnx a lot for that. Really appreciated! Lets hope PAF makes the wisest decision (personally I think they should go for the Gripens and ERIEYE). About the Lebanese Mirage Vs and Libyan ones, I think they would all be upgraded to ROSE configuration and kept in service till at least 2015 cuz otherwise, their acquisition wouldn't be worth it. So now, I basically see; Mirage Vs, Gripens and Jf-17s forming the line-up of a formiddable PAF. :smokingc:
Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!
alot of the libyan mirages have very little Flight time on their Airframe because they haven't been able to fly them. so they may be Upgraded. But the Lebanese AC are old some of them may be cannibalized, parts are very hard to come by and PAF is being overcharged for part by France.mysterious said:
Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!
Gripen isnt a stealth plane, not even semi-stealth. But has low RCS. Our JF-17 can become as stealthy as Gripen if we add composite materials and better electronics.P.A.F said:The airforce is now definately getting stealthy.
Re: UPDATED: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? PAF Picks JAS 39 Gripen!
i think P.A.F meant PAF is getting stealthy in Procuring New equipment, Hey ! P.A.F i am not sure about the numbers i read this on the Pakdef.net the Mod has links with PAF and he gets all the Good stuff from them.Oqaab said:Gripen isnt a stealth plane, not even semi-stealth. But has low RCS. Our JF-17 can become as stealthy as Gripen if we add composite materials and better electronics.P.A.F said:The airforce is now definately getting stealthy.