Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????

Another question ok we need good dog fighters alteast in Pak-Ind wars but if u have a completely networked system like the swedish system with sats in orbit and the ground radar systems and AWACS for poratability in place for complete field of view of the entire air space wouldn't that be enough for minimum detterence defence then spending billions on high end fighters. the network system would provide real time data to the AWACS and HQ command the ground systems+mobile systems would provide a complete tactical analysis so that the war startegies for different scenarios can be adapted, even a F7Pg with a datalink and MFD can fire Bvr useing extended radar range of the ground, orbital satalite and AWACS radar data or could simply be given the cordinate of the target or object to fire the missile at. good thinking i guess if people think like that, a system robust cheap in terms of maintance and longterm kick ass security can be privided.i am sure people have thought of this system before me the idea is too common sence i mean the swedish are working on such projects. i know this is seperate to the topic of this thread but i am talking about PAF useing its assets that it has and link every thing and anything it can find,(got carried away from here) link every thing includeing Naval and army assets, wouldn't that be possible solution i know easy to say hard to do cost alot of money and the list goes onn. :roll At the end i guess no one can never rule out the ultimate offensive/defensive capability that a fighter craft provides it gives a sence of fear on the aggresser airforce that the country they are about to go in to has a respectable abilities to deter our incursions. (more like the stock markets only cover a small proportion of the economy but its there to provide a sort of confidence in investers and it only factors certain bits of the economy THE TOP FIRMS but it spear heads direct national international Injections(investment) in the top firms. it provides a sence of pride to the nation that has the best performer stock market ""inmost cases )

 

[corsair7772]

Yep! we can also do all the above things by upgrading and expanding our ADGES which is one of the best in the world. Im not just sayin that. Western observers who have seen it and worked on it have described it like that and i like the sound of it. By improving it detection and guidance and anti jamming and all we could get a really good system for our airforce.

BTW we can pump up our inventory by upgrading our F-7s to a new standard (F-7U)close to the JF-17 or even the J-11 instead of just trashing them all n replacing em with the JF-17. But the mirages n A-5s will have to go n we can the JH-7 ,J-10 n J-11 along with the JF-17s n F-7s. :smokingc:

 

[saad]

france and china r the only countries which can sell aircraft .And being a pakistani it is a time that we build are own aircraft because no one can help us in future

 

[saad]

if f7u close to jf17 why we say jf17 is just like f16

 

[saad]

pk have good quality aircraft or not compara with indian air force :?:

 

[mysterious]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????

Saad, can you please put all your msgs in 'one' post from next time using the edit button? Sorry Mods, but no one was online so I thought I could just caution the new user. Peace out!

 

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????

Saad listen mate put your message or messages in one reply your clogging unnecessary space !! granted PAF can't buy much rite now but china's own industry is growing and PAF has the options to buy European AC but they are expensive !! thats why the chinese JF-17 will be built locally in Pakistan with europen Radars and avionics !! Pakistan is Being designated Major non nato ally for the US which is primarilly to increase military assistance!!! Although no one likes speculating, that what this designation would provide Pakistan or the PAF but one can alwys look at other nations which enjoy the same designations like Israel Egypt Jordan Kuwait South-Korea and i think Taiwan!!

 

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YOu know Guys i can understand why the US is reluctant on offering F-16 new blocks to PAF, I am still an novice Java Programer but i was looking into Protecting what i Produce as it is my intellectual property and i would not like someone to just copy it!!, there are ways to encrypt key and main Programming class that have the clever key algorithms by creating new clever encryption algorithms containing classes to make the .class files unreadable or absolutely not revisable to. the only thing the F-16s has that cannot be copied is its Programed Code which has sophisticated Scrambler(encryptions)(i bet) algorithms thats how we do it(programers)!! but nothing is hack proof some one will eventually find a way round it and the Onboard equipment is almost off the shelf components so replecateing the entire thing is a matter of time !!! thats why i think PAF is being denied F-16s

 

[amit21mech]

@ADSH
LOL....I doubt this may the reason. India is among world's best software development state and still US has offered us F-16s. This is very ridi reason. Hmmmmm...were u serious on that reason.

 

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@ADSH
LOL....I doubt this may the reason. India is among world's best software development state and still US has offered us F-16s. This is very ridi reason. Hmmmmm...were u serious on that reason.

Hey i am sort of serious !! lol

i know
worth alot of LOL's
BUt consider this the PAF engineers do train with Chinese engineers, and Chinese are the king of Reverse engineers, it not easy to break high quality military class encyptions algorithm files. INdia may be the best software Programming nation but programming and breaking into scrableed source files is just differnt!!

Its like working with nothing when a source is scrambled multiple time like thousand of time. and when the Algorithm programmers get to break there encryption the tech is already like a couple of decades old!!

 

[mysterious]

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Amit forgets here that as adsh pointed out, Chinese are the 'kings' of reverse engineering and the US knows that Pakistan provided at least 'one' F-16 to China for a complete analyses of its systems and capabilities. I'd bet the US also takes that consideration in to account by wondering if Pakistan would offer an other 'recently' (if) provided F-16. The US is day by day getting risk averse of China majorly because it knows that its only a matter of time before the Chinese colors start floating on the world stage at a much more major level than today. Already the number of Chinese university graduates (according to a recent study) outstrips the number of US university graduates. :smokingc:

 

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Amit forgets here that as adsh pointed out, Chinese are the 'kings' of reverse engineering and the US knows that Pakistan provided at least 'one' F-16 to China for a complete analyses of its systems and capabilities. I'd bet the US also takes that consideration in to account by wondering if Pakistan would offer an other 'recently' (if) provided F-16. The US is day by day getting risk averse of China majorly because it knows that its only a matter of time before the Chinese colors start floating on the world stage at a much more major level than today. Already the number of Chinese university graduates (according to a recent study) outstrips the number of US university graduates. :smokingc:

Chinese are like every where 45 percent of the students in my Computer science cource are chinese the rest Subcontinest and the very few that i have seen are Arabs and other descendants and ofcource you have the "geeks and nerds" that are always there. Caucasians people are more intrigued by Art type courses involving creativity. but Asians are more into Medicine Biotech pharma and the majority choose the Financial and Business side!!

 

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Let's try to get back on the topic folks, it's getting a little distracted again.

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[ahashmi]

euro & rafale is ruled out by ACM kaleem saadet....... they are thinking of j-10 , jas-39 gripen , mirage2k-9 ................ but good addition to list F-18 :eek

 

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euro & rafale is ruled out by ACM kaleem saadet....... they are thinking of j-10 , jas-39 gripen , mirage2k-9 ................ but good addition to list F-18 :eek

F-18 SH and any thing that the US makes is a Just a good Fantasy For PAK !! unless the US offers complete and i stress on Complete TOT !! but that would be difficult nearing to Impossible!! JAS -39 are relay good i wish they go with those the only thing that is US built in gripen is the Main power plant that belongs to GE i think !! IS GE AMerican
Mirage 2005 mk 2 well india has those now it won't make any sense in buying any of those pluss they are going to be Phased out i think !!

J-10 is is still far away for PAF china has bigg orders clogging the Order waiting list !!

the Only jet right now that is readily available that is cheap and of steady design is Jf-17

the US congress still has a block on PAK for those F-16 i think it should be lifted after the end of this month but i doubt Pak will get those embargoed F-16 they are now in use with the USNAVY and US AF and Prsd BNush even said If pak will get F-16 they will have to bid for new ones!!! i think Pak will bid for new F-16 only after the November election to make sure they get dilvery of these once they pay up
!!!!


Can you get us a source for ACM Kaleems statement refering to Rafeal and EF
i smell deception!!

Every Good general and leaders in the Past have Fooled there Opponents they have always manged to surprise there opponents. like when PAk anounced they had made there choice and the Mirage 2005 mk2 that would be there new generation fighter(Being foolish), india then chose to buy those too and when Pak anounced they were interested in buying those Qatari Mirages 2005 india Barged inn. well i think there must be a level of deception in these staements they have recently been very quiet after that qatari event whenthey lost those Mirage 2005 to INdia !!

 

[corsair7772]

Then that basically leaves us no choice at all.
M-2000s in indian service wid cost n diplomacy thrown in.

Jas-39 wid 2 many american components.

J-10 still not operational.

F-16 u know all abt it.

But who knows? maybe the russians just decided 2 luv us or maybe the Jf-17 turned out to be a first class fighter!

 

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Then that basically leaves us no choice at all.
M-2000s in indian service wid cost n diplomacy thrown in.

Jas-39 wid 2 many american components.

J-10 still not operational.

F-16 u know all abt it.

But who knows? maybe the russians just decided 2 luv us or maybe the Jf-17 turned out to be a first class fighter!

The russians have problems with Pak and they won't go away this centurary or even teh next!!

The only Option is either Mirage 2000-5 Mk 2 which is available but INdians have been training (on Mirage 2000, similar ones they will soon buy more and upgrade there Existing fleet) and using them alot. doesn't make sense buying them!!

As i was saying the only other option now, i think is to Either go for the Gripen or F-16 these should be availble soon if everything remains static between the US and Pakistan i think the Gripen should form the 4/5th gen fighter with 50 front line fighters and the f-16 should form the Muscle of PAF and the Back bone should be the new JF-17. Link all these up with the New AWACs then thats all PAF needs!!! :alian


LIke it or not PAF will buy the US equipment (As soo they have the Permission to) tradition has dictated a clear trend !!! no matter how much you say it you have to admit the Fascination of the PAF pilot with the F-16 they Are Ruged and cheap and the most practical Jets.


Oh Can anyone tell me if the New Gen of F-16u have new construction material like the New UAE F-16U should have an increased amount of Composite since they Paid 100 mill a piece thats almost the same or more price then a EF2000. plus they have more fuel weight to compensate for

 

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Gripen rulz (under current situation that the PAF is in)!!! I'd opt for it any day, its a beauty (not just looks wise, but everything else considered as well). :smokingc:

 

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????

Watch these Swedes very closely as the Time nears to the PAF announcement for there final chosen purchase they seem to be commending Pak on alot of issues, it could be to satify there self imposed rule to not to sell there defense equipment to conflict zone. well look at where that rule has taken them they haven't sold remotely anything compared to the US or the UK even tho they have made equally good Defense equipment. I am telling you guys watch the Swedes they are trying to Push a deal with Pak we'll just have to wait and see till June 30th
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New article
Sweden Praises Pak Role In War Against Terror


Updated on 2004-05-16 07:50:50
http://www.paknews.com/main.php?id=5&date1=2004-05-16

Stockholm, Sweden : May 16 (PNS) - Sweden has appreciated Pakistan's role in the war against terrorism and expressed satisfaction over the dialogue process with India.

This was conveyed by Swedish officials during their meetings with Foreign Secretary Riaz Khokhar in Stockholm. The Foreign Secretary briefed Swedish State Secretary on regional matters with reference to Pakistan-India relations, domestic situation in the country and the improved economic performance. :cop

 

[joker]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????

According to the ACM the PAF is pursuing a three prong strategy: 1) purchase JF 17; 2) purchase J10 and 3) purchase a high tech fighter. Out of the candidates the PAF is going for the Mirage 2000-9 (IAF operates the Mirage 2000H).

Inventory post 2012:

150-200 JF17
50 J10
50 Mirage 2000-9
50 F7MG
30+ F16s