Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]

[P.A.F]

Whcih aircraft will best replace the pakistani Nanchang A-5C attack aircraft?

Pakistans attack capabilities are pretty dim. there main attack aircraft at presant are the nanchang a-5c attack aircraft which are now suffering very badly from aging.
which aircraft will best replace them considering pakistans position in the world today?
i think that pakistan should purchase Tornados as they are cheap but deadly attacker. also pakistani pilots fly them with the royal saudi airforce.
WHAT DO YOU THINK :?:

 

[darklegent]

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read my lips
A 4th + Genereation Aircraft like the Euro fighter or the Rafale or if availible the F-35 (5th Gen).

 

[P.A.F]

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darklegent! the only thing i agree on is the rafale. i'll give you credit if you can find an article saying that the eurofighter or f-35 is available to pak. if we can't get f-16 then were the hell are we gonna get the eurofighter or f-35 from. pakistan need a CHEAP attack aircraft. and the only option i can see is the tornado. if we buy mirage 2000-5 or rafale it will be used as a FIGHTER/BOMBER. not a ATTACK aircraft.

 

[darklegent]

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I did mention these aircrafts not bcoz they are attackers, bombers or figthers. The general concept now followed is to fly a multi combat/role jet (as in the case of Jf-17).
The Rafale may also be harder to get that easily, as the Indians are planning to purchase 125 replacement plane in the 10 ton (10,000kgs) category with a maximum take of weight of 25 tons (25,000kgs) and they are discussing with the French. I am aware that many people feel that the Indians are planning to buy the Mirage, but then these aircrafts are of a total different league. Lets see and watch, maybe in due course the French may also sell these planes to Pakistan.
As of the Eurofighter I may remind you that there has never been a outright "NO" like the Americans with regard to the F-16's. The only hurdle with the Europeans now is that they first have to fulfill their own commitent to the programme and to do so the initial production is totally devoted to the same. This plane will definately be availible to the Pakistan sooner or later. Here too its a matter of time.

 

[umair]

Well what about the Chinese J/H-7A(not the initial J/H-7)
This strike fighter is in the class of the Tornado GrMk.1,F-15-E.
Has all the high tech gadgetry available in Western aircraft of the same class.PAF was looking at the earlier J/H-7 in the late 1990s but decided to deffer an order pending the arrival of the J/H-7A.

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft/bomber/jh7.asp

 

[Aussie Digger]

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Joker, yes a good C4I system, plus ELINT/SIGINT AWACS etc would be necessary to take full advantage of the Eruofighters capabilities and I'm sure Pakistan is upgrading these systems as necessary. However in stating that the Eurofighter offers nothing over the Mirage Rose without these complementary systems is ridiculous and ignores the systems and integral Capabilities the Eurofighter possesses. The current Captor radar fitted to this aircraft is one of the longest ranging fighter aircraft radars available anywhere, plus it has synthetic aperture radar capability and Ground moving Target Identification capability meaning it has it's own integral targeting capabilities. The Eurofighter consortium is also planning on introducing a new AMSAR (solid state electronically scanned array radar) on the Tranche 3 production aircraft which will probably be available when Pakistan is looking to acquire such an aircraft. It is also fitted with an advanced internal FLIR/IRST (Infra Red Search and Track system) known as PIRATE which conducts passive air to air and air to ground surveillance to allow the pilot to search without use of the radar, enhancing it's stealth capabilities. In addition to these basic capabilities the weapons load to be carried by the Eurofighter will exceed just about any other fighter, both in quantity and the quality of the systems it operates. To say that it offers nothing that the Mirage Rose doesn't already offer is selling this aircraft a bit short...

 

[gf0012-aust]

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In effect Eurofighter is also a mini AWACs, something that pakistan sorely needs.

It is a truly autonomous unit extremely capable and able to operate independantly if required.

 

[The Watcher]

Pak should ask for ToT with eurofighter. or is that being too demanding?

 

[Roger Smith]

Pak should ask for ToT with eurofighter. or is that being too demanding?

Everything is possible, subject to the country status or credibility! :smokingc:

 

[Revival_786]

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Eurofighter a mini AWACs? Amazing

 

[The Watcher]

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Eurofighter a mini AWACs? Amazing

yeah man its the 2nd most advaned platform on earth. u think thats amazing wait till F-22 and f-35 are in service. aircombat will change forever.

 

[Arshad Malik]

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The Pak FA is still in the concept stage. So far the Indian Mod have talked the talked but have failed to walk the walk.

i think that pakistan have to purchaser j-10 chinies fighters. because it is low price air craft , Europian & USA really hesitate to sell its front line fighters due to indian pressure .

 

[mysterious]

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I think what Colin Powell has said about recommending to Congress about naming Pakistan as US' "major non-Nato ally', if that comes true and Pakistan indeed receives that status; then all these talks will be rendered useless as then Pakistan could have almost any western technology it wants to get its hands on. I hope it happens asap! :smokingc:

 

[Winter]

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I think what Colin Powell has said about recommending to Congress about naming Pakistan as US' "major non-Nato ally', if that comes true and Pakistan indeed receives that status; then all these talks will be rendered useless as then Pakistan could have almost any western technology it wants to get its hands on. I hope it happens asap! :smokingc:

Quite...Though the MNNA status does not begin to approach the benefits of a NATO member, it certainly has a positive effect on the parties' involved defence relationship.

I'm curious to see the results of this in action over time, including for the PAF...May have an effect on the F-16s, for example. Who knows?

 

[Aussie Digger]

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I guess PAF will probably now get it's already paid for F-16's plus much needed spares and weapons for their existing aircraft. An MLU package would be of great benefit too. The new "status" of Pakistan is the same as that enjoyed by Singapore and they're are loking at purchasing either Rafale, Eurofighter or an advanced F-15E Strike Eagle variant. Any of these aircraft would greatly improve PAF's air combat capability.

 

[Winter]

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I guess PAF will probably now get it's already paid for F-16's plus much needed spares and weapons for their existing aircraft. An MLU package would be of great benefit too. The new "status" of Pakistan is the same as that enjoyed by Singapore and they're are loking at purchasing either Rafale, Eurofighter or an advanced F-15E Strike Eagle variant. Any of these aircraft would greatly improve PAF's air combat capability.

The F-16s Pakistan paid for have been broken up since...Some are still in AMARC (I think), some are in the US Navy, etc. Of course, a modifed deal could always be renegotiated.

Perhaps a new annual 'Cope Pakistan,' even. That would be interesting.

 

[mysterious]

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Of course Pakistan wont take those F-16s that were made for it in the 80s! They've already been used to their last drop by now wherever they are!! More probable is that much more improved F-16s could be delivered!

 

[Winter]

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Of course Pakistan wont take those F-16s that were made for it in the 80s! They've already been used to their last drop by now wherever they are!! More probable is that much more improved F-16s could be delivered!

I mentioned a possible development regarding the F-16s as merely a representation of the potential this Pakistani-US relationship could provide.

As I have already said, I believe some of the selected F-16s for Pakistan have since been recently activated for the US Navy (and USAF?) in the aggressor role for their proficiency. The F-16 is still a highly capable system in many respects. Don't forget, the embargoed Pakistani F-16s were some of the most advanced A/B models ever built.

 

[Aussie Digger]

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Well some nice shiny and new F-16C/D Block 52+ or Block 60 should fit in with Pakistan's defence plans nicely.

 

[saraab]

i agree with winter to the full that the birds have already been taken by USAF and USNavy

and for a proof u can have a look at :

http://www.f-16.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=77&page=1 :smokingc: :smokingc:

btw pretty powerfull blows they were in the reply of my last question :roll