Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]
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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????
you said. About the French system I only have knowledge about the Mirage III and V platforms and the engineers who work on them always say it's easier to work on the F-16 than on the Mirage.
i'm talking about modern french aircraft.
anyways i thing that if pakistan will buy an aircraft now i think that the saab gripen is a excellent aircraft as it is hi-tech and cheap for the league it's in.[/quote]
you said. About the French system I only have knowledge about the Mirage III and V platforms and the engineers who work on them always say it's easier to work on the F-16 than on the Mirage.
i'm talking about modern french aircraft.
anyways i thing that if pakistan will buy an aircraft now i think that the saab gripen is a excellent aircraft as it is hi-tech and cheap for the league it's in.[/quote]
Gangsternation
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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????
GET THE AWSOME EUROFIGHTER OLNY 60 MILLION DOLLARS :eek
Reliability
<400 attributable defects/1000 flying hours
>0.95 probability of successful mission completion
>0.98 probability of autonomous engine start
Maintainability
<9 maintenance manhours per flying hour
50% of defects rectified within
45 mins
95% of defects rectified within
3 hours
Engine changes by 4 men in
45 mins
Testability
<5% false alarm rate
100% of safety critical failures
will be detected
Servicing
Before flight <15 mins/2 men
Turn round <15 mins/2 men
After flight <45 mins/2 men
Role Changes
<45 mins/3 men for any change
GET THE AWSOME EUROFIGHTER OLNY 60 MILLION DOLLARS :eek
Reliability
<400 attributable defects/1000 flying hours
>0.95 probability of successful mission completion
>0.98 probability of autonomous engine start
Maintainability
<9 maintenance manhours per flying hour
50% of defects rectified within
45 mins
95% of defects rectified within
3 hours
Engine changes by 4 men in
45 mins
Testability
<5% false alarm rate
100% of safety critical failures
will be detected
Servicing
Before flight <15 mins/2 men
Turn round <15 mins/2 men
After flight <45 mins/2 men
Role Changes
<45 mins/3 men for any change
Gangsternation
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EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON MULTI-ROLE COMBAT FIGHTER, EUROPE
The Eurofighter Typhoon is believed to be the world's most advanced multirole fighter, with the possible exception of the F-22 Raptor
The Eurofighter Typhoon employs the latest in hydraulics, electromechanical and landing gear systems
Eurofighter Typhoon is a highly agile aircraft.
Total combat thrust generated is 40,000lb.
The four-nation Eurofighter Typhoon is a foreplane delta-wing, beyond-visual-range, close air fighter aircraft with surface attack capability. Eurofighter has 'supercruise' capability: it can fly at sustained speeds of over Mach 1 without the use of afterburner.
Development of the aircraft has been carried out by Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH, based in Munich and wholly owned by BAE Systems of the UK, Alenia Aerospazio of Italy and the EADS Deutschland (formerly DaimlerChrysler) and EADS Spain (formerly CASA). In January 2003, Norway signed an agreement for industrial participation in the project, but has not committed to purchase of the fighter. The EJ200 engine has been developed by Eurojet GmbH, in Munich which is owned by Rolls Royce, MTU Aero Engines, Fiat Aviazione and ITP.
An overall production contract for 620 aircraft was signed in January 1998, with 232 for the UK, 180 for Germany, 121 for Italy and 87 for Spain. Initial orders have been placed for 148 aircraft: Germany (44), Italy (29), Spain (20) and the UK (55). Prime customer is the NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency (NETMA), representing the four governments. Series production of the aircraft is underway at EADS Military Aircraft (Germany), BAE Systems, Alenia Aerospazio and EADS CASA (Spain). The first four series production aircraft for the four participating nations took maiden flights in February 2003 and the Eurofighter received type acceptance, a prerequisite for entry into service, by the four services on 30 June 2003. First series production aircraft were delivered to the German Air Force in August 2003 and to the Spanish Air Force in September 2003. Final deliveries are scheduled for 2015.
Greece has also chosen to join the Eurofighter programme but has decided to delay its acquisition of 60 aircraft until after 2004. Austria signed a contract for 18 Eurofighter aircraft in August 2003, to be delivered from 2007.
DESIGN
The aircraft is constructed of carbon fire composites, glass-reinforced plastic, aluminium lithium, titanium and aluminium casting. Stealth technology features includelow frontal radar cross-section, passive sensors and supercruise ability.
The foreplane/delta configuration is intentionally aerodynamically unstable which provides a high level of agility (particularly at supersonic speeds), low drag and enhanced lift. The pilot controls the aircraft through a computerised digital fly-by-wire system which provides artificial stabilisation and gust elevation to give good control characteristics throughout the flight envelope.
COCKPIT
The pilot's control system is a voice-throttle-and-stick system (VTAS). The stick and throttle tops house 24 fingertip controls for sensor and weapon control, defence aids management, and inflight handling. The direct voice input allows the pilot to carry out mode selection and data entry procedures using voice command.
The BAE Systems Striker Helmet Mounted Symbology System (HMS) and Head Up Display show the flight reference data, weapon aiming and cueing, and the FLIR imagery. BAE Systems TERPROM ground proximity warning system is being fitted. The cockpit has three multifunction, colour, head-down displays (MHDDs), which show the tactical situation, systems status and map displays. An international consortium EuroMIDS, which includes Data Link Solutions of the US, supplies the MIDS Low Volume Terminal provides Link 16 capability for secure transfer of data.
WEAPONS
As well as an internally mounted 27mm Mauser gun, the EurofighterTyphoon has 13 hard points for weapon carriage: four under each wing and five under the fuselage. An armament control system (ACS) manages weapons selection and firing, and monitors weapon status.
Depending on role, the fighter can carry the following mix of missiles:
Air-superiority: six BVRAAM (Beyond Visual Range)/AMRAAM air-to-air missiles on semi-recessed fuselage stations and two ASRAAM short-range air-to-air missiles on the outer pylons
Air interdiction: four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, two cruise missiles and two anti-radar missiles (ARM)
SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defences): four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, six anti-radar missiles
Multi-role: three AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, two ARM and two GBU-24 Paveway III
Close air support: four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, 18 Brimstone anti-armour missile
Maritime attack: four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, six anti-ship missiles
The UK RAF has selected MBDA (formerly Matra BAe Dynamics) Meteor for the BVRAAM requirement and Raytheon AMRAAM until Meteor enters service. Meteor uses a new air-breathing ramjet motor for increased range and manoeuvrability. AMRAAM will be fitted from 2002 and Meteor around 2010. German, Italian and Spanish Eurofighters will carry the imaging infrared IRIS-T air-to-air missile being developed by BGT of Germany, expected to enter service in 2005. RAF Eurofighters will carry the MBDA Storm Shadow/Scalp EG stand-off cruise missile, which entered operational service on Tornado aircraft in March 2003, and also the MBDA Brimstone anti-armour missile due to enter service in 2004.
COUNTERMEASURES
The aircraft's defensive aids sub-system (DASS) is accommodated within the aircraft structure and integrated with the avionics system. DASS has been developed by the EuroDASS consortium - BAE Systems Avionics of the UK (prime contractor), Elettronica of Italy and Indra of Spain. The consortium was rejoined in October 2001 by EADS, after the German Federal Ministry of Defence contracted to re-enter the programmme. DASS provides an all-round prioritised assessment of threats with fully automatic response to single or multiple threats. DASS includes an electronic countermeasures/support measures system (ECM/ESM), front and rear missile approach warners, supersonically capable towed decoy systems, laser warning receivers and SaabTech Electronics BOL chaff and flare dispensing system. The avionics system is based on a NATO standard databus with fibre optic highways.
SENSORS
The aircraft is equipped with a CAPTOR (ECR 90) multi-mode X-band pulse Doppler radar, developed by the Euroradar consortium. The multi-mode radar has three processing channels. The third channel is used for jammer classification, interference blanking and sidelobe nulling. Euroradar is led by BAE SYSTEMS, with Indra of Spain, FIAR of Italy and EADS (DaimlerChrysler Aerospace) of Germany.
A Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR) is mounted on the port side of the fuselage, forward of the windscreen. The FLIR operates in both 3 - 5 and 8 - 11 micron spectral bands. When used with the radar in the air-to-air role, it functions as an Infrared Search and Track system (IRST), providing passive target detection and tracking. In the air-to-surface role, the FLIR performs target acquisition and identification, as well as providing a night flying aid.
ENGINE
The Eurofighter is equipped with two Eurojet EJ200 engines, each delivering thrust of 90kN in full reheat and 60kN in dry power mode. Single-stage turbines drive the three-stage fan and five-stage HP compressor. The engine features: digital control; wide chord aerofoils and single crystal turbine blades; a convergent /divergent exhaust nozzle; and integrated health monitoring.
pakistan idiotic government look into this great aircraft :cop :cop :cop :cry :cry :cry
The Eurofighter Typhoon is believed to be the world's most advanced multirole fighter, with the possible exception of the F-22 Raptor
The Eurofighter Typhoon employs the latest in hydraulics, electromechanical and landing gear systems
Eurofighter Typhoon is a highly agile aircraft.
Total combat thrust generated is 40,000lb.
The four-nation Eurofighter Typhoon is a foreplane delta-wing, beyond-visual-range, close air fighter aircraft with surface attack capability. Eurofighter has 'supercruise' capability: it can fly at sustained speeds of over Mach 1 without the use of afterburner.
Development of the aircraft has been carried out by Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH, based in Munich and wholly owned by BAE Systems of the UK, Alenia Aerospazio of Italy and the EADS Deutschland (formerly DaimlerChrysler) and EADS Spain (formerly CASA). In January 2003, Norway signed an agreement for industrial participation in the project, but has not committed to purchase of the fighter. The EJ200 engine has been developed by Eurojet GmbH, in Munich which is owned by Rolls Royce, MTU Aero Engines, Fiat Aviazione and ITP.
An overall production contract for 620 aircraft was signed in January 1998, with 232 for the UK, 180 for Germany, 121 for Italy and 87 for Spain. Initial orders have been placed for 148 aircraft: Germany (44), Italy (29), Spain (20) and the UK (55). Prime customer is the NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency (NETMA), representing the four governments. Series production of the aircraft is underway at EADS Military Aircraft (Germany), BAE Systems, Alenia Aerospazio and EADS CASA (Spain). The first four series production aircraft for the four participating nations took maiden flights in February 2003 and the Eurofighter received type acceptance, a prerequisite for entry into service, by the four services on 30 June 2003. First series production aircraft were delivered to the German Air Force in August 2003 and to the Spanish Air Force in September 2003. Final deliveries are scheduled for 2015.
Greece has also chosen to join the Eurofighter programme but has decided to delay its acquisition of 60 aircraft until after 2004. Austria signed a contract for 18 Eurofighter aircraft in August 2003, to be delivered from 2007.
DESIGN
The aircraft is constructed of carbon fire composites, glass-reinforced plastic, aluminium lithium, titanium and aluminium casting. Stealth technology features includelow frontal radar cross-section, passive sensors and supercruise ability.
The foreplane/delta configuration is intentionally aerodynamically unstable which provides a high level of agility (particularly at supersonic speeds), low drag and enhanced lift. The pilot controls the aircraft through a computerised digital fly-by-wire system which provides artificial stabilisation and gust elevation to give good control characteristics throughout the flight envelope.
COCKPIT
The pilot's control system is a voice-throttle-and-stick system (VTAS). The stick and throttle tops house 24 fingertip controls for sensor and weapon control, defence aids management, and inflight handling. The direct voice input allows the pilot to carry out mode selection and data entry procedures using voice command.
The BAE Systems Striker Helmet Mounted Symbology System (HMS) and Head Up Display show the flight reference data, weapon aiming and cueing, and the FLIR imagery. BAE Systems TERPROM ground proximity warning system is being fitted. The cockpit has three multifunction, colour, head-down displays (MHDDs), which show the tactical situation, systems status and map displays. An international consortium EuroMIDS, which includes Data Link Solutions of the US, supplies the MIDS Low Volume Terminal provides Link 16 capability for secure transfer of data.
WEAPONS
As well as an internally mounted 27mm Mauser gun, the EurofighterTyphoon has 13 hard points for weapon carriage: four under each wing and five under the fuselage. An armament control system (ACS) manages weapons selection and firing, and monitors weapon status.
Depending on role, the fighter can carry the following mix of missiles:
Air-superiority: six BVRAAM (Beyond Visual Range)/AMRAAM air-to-air missiles on semi-recessed fuselage stations and two ASRAAM short-range air-to-air missiles on the outer pylons
Air interdiction: four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, two cruise missiles and two anti-radar missiles (ARM)
SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defences): four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, six anti-radar missiles
Multi-role: three AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, two ARM and two GBU-24 Paveway III
Close air support: four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, 18 Brimstone anti-armour missile
Maritime attack: four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, six anti-ship missiles
The UK RAF has selected MBDA (formerly Matra BAe Dynamics) Meteor for the BVRAAM requirement and Raytheon AMRAAM until Meteor enters service. Meteor uses a new air-breathing ramjet motor for increased range and manoeuvrability. AMRAAM will be fitted from 2002 and Meteor around 2010. German, Italian and Spanish Eurofighters will carry the imaging infrared IRIS-T air-to-air missile being developed by BGT of Germany, expected to enter service in 2005. RAF Eurofighters will carry the MBDA Storm Shadow/Scalp EG stand-off cruise missile, which entered operational service on Tornado aircraft in March 2003, and also the MBDA Brimstone anti-armour missile due to enter service in 2004.
COUNTERMEASURES
The aircraft's defensive aids sub-system (DASS) is accommodated within the aircraft structure and integrated with the avionics system. DASS has been developed by the EuroDASS consortium - BAE Systems Avionics of the UK (prime contractor), Elettronica of Italy and Indra of Spain. The consortium was rejoined in October 2001 by EADS, after the German Federal Ministry of Defence contracted to re-enter the programmme. DASS provides an all-round prioritised assessment of threats with fully automatic response to single or multiple threats. DASS includes an electronic countermeasures/support measures system (ECM/ESM), front and rear missile approach warners, supersonically capable towed decoy systems, laser warning receivers and SaabTech Electronics BOL chaff and flare dispensing system. The avionics system is based on a NATO standard databus with fibre optic highways.
SENSORS
The aircraft is equipped with a CAPTOR (ECR 90) multi-mode X-band pulse Doppler radar, developed by the Euroradar consortium. The multi-mode radar has three processing channels. The third channel is used for jammer classification, interference blanking and sidelobe nulling. Euroradar is led by BAE SYSTEMS, with Indra of Spain, FIAR of Italy and EADS (DaimlerChrysler Aerospace) of Germany.
A Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR) is mounted on the port side of the fuselage, forward of the windscreen. The FLIR operates in both 3 - 5 and 8 - 11 micron spectral bands. When used with the radar in the air-to-air role, it functions as an Infrared Search and Track system (IRST), providing passive target detection and tracking. In the air-to-surface role, the FLIR performs target acquisition and identification, as well as providing a night flying aid.
ENGINE
The Eurofighter is equipped with two Eurojet EJ200 engines, each delivering thrust of 90kN in full reheat and 60kN in dry power mode. Single-stage turbines drive the three-stage fan and five-stage HP compressor. The engine features: digital control; wide chord aerofoils and single crystal turbine blades; a convergent /divergent exhaust nozzle; and integrated health monitoring.
pakistan idiotic government look into this great aircraft :cop :cop :cop :cry :cry :cry
darklegent
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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????
And where do u expect the government to get the needed funds for this aircraft.
Gangsternation
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thats funny because the eurofighters are being sold left and right the uk will do it because of our help in the war on terror and p.a.f dont be so negativeumair said:
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Gangsternation
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as someone had said before pakistan has been saving up for a while now
Gangsternation
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this eurofighter is amzing guys read the specs say bye bye su-30's
if paksitan gets these i am gonna join paf and lose my us citizenship just to fly this baby
if paksitan gets these i am gonna join paf and lose my us citizenship just to fly this baby
No need of saying sorry dudeRoger Smith said:
. I was just concentrating on debating skills.But I hate patriotic statements.
And BTW, when did I say that only China will sell us aircrafts ?? If U can read english, U must have read that "The options left are Eurofighter and Rafale". So dont think that IAF will be superior to PAF all the time.
About debts, do U know India has an international debth of 109.6 billion over it and it is increasing 2 billion per year. And have a look at Pakistan's position. We have paid 1 billion before time and according to our finance minister Shaukat Aziz, we will be returning another 1 billion before time.
What I was trying to say is that Pakistan's economic situation is far better then before and if we negotiated for the 50 million Mirage 2000-5, then we can definatly purchase Eurofighter or Rafales.
Gangsternation
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i agree they is olny a 10 million dollar diffrence and it is worth it :alianOqaab said:No need of saying sorry dudeRoger Smith said:
But I hate patriotic statements.
And BTW, when did I say that only China will sell us aircrafts ?? If U can read english, U must have read that "The options left are Eurofighter and Rafale". So dont think that IAF will be superior to PAF all the time.
About debts, do U know India has an international debth of 109.6 billion over it and it is increasing 2 billion per year. And have a look at Pakistan's position. We have paid 1 billion before time and according to our finance minister Shaukat Aziz, we will be returning another 1 billion before time.
What I was trying to say is that Pakistan's economic situation is far better then before and if we negotiated for the 50 million Mirage 2000-5, then we can definatly purchase Eurofighter or Rafales.
Revival_786
New Member
I would definately go with the Eurofighter over the Rafale.
Roger Smith
New Member
Thanks for your response.Oqaab said:No need of saying sorry dudeRoger Smith said:
But I hate patriotic statements.
And BTW, when did I say that only China will sell us aircrafts ?? If U can read english, U must have read that "The options left are Eurofighter and Rafale". So dont think that IAF will be superior to PAF all the time.
About debts, do U know India has an international debth of 109.6 billion over it and it is increasing 2 billion per year. And have a look at Pakistan's position. We have paid 1 billion before time and according to our finance minister Shaukat Aziz, we will be returning another 1 billion before time.
What I was trying to say is that Pakistan's economic situation is far better then before and if we negotiated for the 50 million Mirage 2000-5, then we can definatly purchase Eurofighter or Rafales.
BTW, I am a Canadian.
In accordance to you, if PAF inducts Mirage 2000-5 at least a minimum of 2 squadrons (40 aircrafts) that will cost Pakistan $2 billion. Do you know USA has forgiven over $2 billion loans to Pakistan and I am sure the American will block the Mirage deal and substitute it with reconditioned F-16.
Economic factor, that is a different story all together. You can not compare India and Pakistan economics, it is like day and night difference in every sector.
Thanks.
Gangsternation
New Member
who wouldntRevival_786 said:I would definately go with the Eurofighter over the Rafale.
Dont U know Mirage 2000-5 is a french aircraft ???? How can the americans block the Mirages for Pakistan ? If this is the case then why didnt they blocked Chinese A-5Cs for Pakistan which can drop nuclear weapons ...... Atleast say something sencible.Roger Smith said:
Another thing, I m not comparing Pakistan's economy with India's economy. Ive said that Pakistan's economy is better then before and now we can buy expensive aircrafts.