Turkey to buy German tanks
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I presume the relatively short barrel is specifically for the M60, since AFAIK the IMI gun which it's a version of has a longer barrel as standard. In which case, it would seem sensible to use the same gun with a longer barrel for any new tank, or for any retrofit to tanks suitable for a longer gun, such as Leo 2.beleg said:
A muzzle brake, this is mostly found in the middle or almost in the middle of the barrel. The 105mm rifle has it slightly to the inwart to the tank and the Russian 125mm has slightly to the mouth of the center. But the Leo-2A4 above in what I had attached shown like it is the same muzzle brake of the L-44 and L-55 and the Japanese variant. Also the US M256.
Does Turkey signed an agreement with KMW for the installation of the L-55 gun in the Leo2a4?
Does Turkey signed an agreement with KMW for the installation of the L-55 gun in the Leo2a4?
No problemo, we help each other 
But you see that it is the same. I don't think that Turkish firms would produce a knock of (from the one delivered in 2000, the Leopard-2A6 for the MBT tender) because Turkey respects all licences (so far ) and I don't think that Turkey does take any responsibilities.
But you see that it is the same. I don't think that Turkish firms would produce a knock of (from the one delivered in 2000, the Leopard-2A6 for the MBT tender) because Turkey respects all licences (so far
) and I don't think that Turkey does take any responsibilities.Like the 15mm L-39 howitsers for the M-44T and M-52T SP Arty, the Rheinmetal also licenced Turkey for the local production of the 155mm howitsers. I think this would also be the same with the L-55 if the German Parliament approve ofcouse and if there is a payable bid from Rheinmetal because the new systems are often expensive. Time will tell, yes we will see.
According to SSM, Savunma Sanayii Müstesarligi (Defence Industries Secretariat) are the delivery under way. But this is a new problem than if there is such a problem.
If there is a problem, I think that the use of the German Leo's in south eastern anatolia is a 'big' problem for EU. I can not say that the EU is working with the PKK but also I can not tell that the EU is on our side.
The other problem is that Turkey want to do some upgrades and refurbishments in Turkey by Turkish firms. Like I tell next week, ASELSAN had offered the upgrade with a longer 120mm L-55 gun and a Turkish designed Kartalgözü thermal viewer with better performance.
If there is an other problem, I want to hear from others...
If there is a problem, I think that the use of the German Leo's in south eastern anatolia is a 'big' problem for EU. I can not say that the EU is working with the PKK but also I can not tell that the EU is on our side.
The other problem is that Turkey want to do some upgrades and refurbishments in Turkey by Turkish firms. Like I tell next week, ASELSAN had offered the upgrade with a longer 120mm L-55 gun and a Turkish designed Kartalgözü thermal viewer with better performance.
If there is an other problem, I want to hear from others...
Being a tanker who has spent time in Kurdistan, I can attest that the region is not "untankable". While Armor has limited ability to manuever in mountainous terrain, it is invaluable for it's ability to deliver fire power to in difficult to reach places (Tanks do wonders in breaking up ambushes by light forces).
As for the Turks not using tanks against the Kurds, I'd say since they've used them in the past why would they not use them again in the future. (my source for the use of tanks is active Peshmerga members).
But I do think it's a great upgrade for the Turkish Army, one that is needed for a country in a bad neighborhood.
As for the Turks not using tanks against the Kurds, I'd say since they've used them in the past why would they not use them again in the future. (my source for the use of tanks is active Peshmerga members).
But I do think it's a great upgrade for the Turkish Army, one that is needed for a country in a bad neighborhood.
Look Brian, first explain the word 'Kurdistan'. Kurdistan does not excist and you are using words that is very sensitive for the Turkish community. But I know that you mean northern Iraq. We also fight with the peshmerga's against the PKK. There are no peshmerga's anymore, they also joined the Iraqi army now. If Kurdistan appear on the map, than Turkey will cross the border with Iraq before EU would like to annex Turkish soil and handover to the Kurds... Do you like to give Texas away to the Kurds so they can built Kurdistan? Is the same for us... Unity is very important!
Back to toppic: That Turkey might not use German Leo-2A4's is a weak action of some politicians to 'couff' the Turkish soldiers like in Bosnia so that the PKK terrorist can do what they want. You have weapons but you are not allowed to use them. But I also heard that Germany had removed that point in the contract that Turkey is free using it everywere because PKK is now in the EU terror list for a couple of years now. That is the reason why Turkey wants to produce weapons by itself instead of buying. We also know the the A4 will be for closing the gap till the production starts for the first Turkish MBT.
Back to toppic: That Turkey might not use German Leo-2A4's is a weak action of some politicians to 'couff' the Turkish soldiers like in Bosnia so that the PKK terrorist can do what they want. You have weapons but you are not allowed to use them. But I also heard that Germany had removed that point in the contract that Turkey is free using it everywere because PKK is now in the EU terror list for a couple of years now. That is the reason why Turkey wants to produce weapons by itself instead of buying. We also know the the A4 will be for closing the gap till the production starts for the first Turkish MBT.
Hearing now any problems when the delivery starts is not natural. Maybe some rumors but if it's true, than Turkey will not receive any Leopard-2A4. On august the 30th we will see on TRT (Turkish TV) live from Ankara Culture park when there is a military parade that many Turkish vehicles will be shown up to public. I think that the Sabra and the Leo-2A4 will appear in small numbers besides the M60A3's and Leo-1A3's. Also the Turkish designed AKINCI (ACV-S) will show up I think. We will see...
@Waylander
Thx..Well no news might be better than bad news..
I think most if not all of the LeoIIs will be positioned in Thrace and perhaps some in Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.. These are the only areas that Turkey faces any armored threat. The IFVs and M-60s are more than enough to deal with the terrorists inside and outside our borders..
Thx..Well no news might be better than bad news..
I think most if not all of the LeoIIs will be positioned in Thrace and perhaps some in Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.. These are the only areas that Turkey faces any armored threat. The IFVs and M-60s are more than enough to deal with the terrorists inside and outside our borders..
I'm with you beleg, Turkey is to buy Leo-II against the Helenic threat.
The Sabra tanks also will be stationed in Thrace and Cyprus. And some of them also against Armenia and Iranian borders. The whole M60 fleet is to be upgraded remember that. And the others like M48A5-T1 and -T2 will be stationed against the terrorists ofcourse. But also the T1 and T2 can face a T-72 of the Syrians too because of it's FCS and 105mm gun ofcouse, and of the 25.000 MBT only 300-400 still working. Wow! rather it's to be phased out of service when our first MBT will roll down from the factory.
But beleg, the AIFV's will also stay in Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus because of the need of an IFV and maybe some Sabra's will join them to against the T-80's of the Greek Cypriot's.
Again, this topic is done. It is not advancing anymore in data and we will see the first delivery batch in Ankara.
The Sabra tanks also will be stationed in Thrace and Cyprus. And some of them also against Armenia and Iranian borders. The whole M60 fleet is to be upgraded remember that. And the others like M48A5-T1 and -T2 will be stationed against the terrorists ofcourse. But also the T1 and T2 can face a T-72 of the Syrians too
because of it's FCS and 105mm gun ofcouse, and of the 25.000 MBT only 300-400 still working. Wow! rather it's to be phased out of service when our first MBT will roll down from the factory.But beleg, the AIFV's will also stay in Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus because of the need of an IFV and maybe some Sabra's will join them to against the T-80's of the Greek Cypriot's.
Again, this topic is done. It is not advancing anymore in data and we will see the first delivery batch in Ankara.
Hey!
Listen. There is no such thing as the so-called "Hellenic Threat". What are we gonna do? Invade you? Seriously.
Turkish Generals that are in total control of the turkish banking, educational and political system in general, must invent threats in order to justify huge defence spending and their goals in the inferior state. As a citizen of Hellas, i have nothing to seperate with Turks. I consider them my brothers. We live in the same region, we have a lot in common and we should have the same goals.
Your generals are the ones to invade our airspace daily, they are the ones that invaded Cyprus and caused deaths over the Hellenic and the Turkish people. The thing is... They tell you, you believe they are right.
By the way... There in no Turkish Rupublic in Cyprus. There is only the Republic of Cyprus. A republic with Turkish and Hellenic citizens.
Turkey is a state that wants to join the EU. If so, Turkey must accept the Armenian killings, you must allow the turkish-kurds to be tought their language as you should, according to the Declaration of Human Rights. Turkey must also decrease the political role of the Army and stop talking about "Hellenic threats" and cause incidents such the one with the coalision of F-16s over the Hellenic Airspace in Aegean Sea. It must also accept the Hellenic right to increase ints naval borders to 12 miles as every other country on the planet (includin Turkey).
I don't know whether we should tolerate the behaviour of Turkish Generals as much as we do for the shake of peace...
Listen. There is no such thing as the so-called "Hellenic Threat". What are we gonna do? Invade you? Seriously.
Turkish Generals that are in total control of the turkish banking, educational and political system in general, must invent threats in order to justify huge defence spending and their goals in the inferior state. As a citizen of Hellas, i have nothing to seperate with Turks. I consider them my brothers. We live in the same region, we have a lot in common and we should have the same goals.
Your generals are the ones to invade our airspace daily, they are the ones that invaded Cyprus and caused deaths over the Hellenic and the Turkish people. The thing is... They tell you, you believe they are right.
By the way... There in no Turkish Rupublic in Cyprus. There is only the Republic of Cyprus. A republic with Turkish and Hellenic citizens.
Turkey is a state that wants to join the EU. If so, Turkey must accept the Armenian killings, you must allow the turkish-kurds to be tought their language as you should, according to the Declaration of Human Rights. Turkey must also decrease the political role of the Army and stop talking about "Hellenic threats" and cause incidents such the one with the coalision of F-16s over the Hellenic Airspace in Aegean Sea. It must also accept the Hellenic right to increase ints naval borders to 12 miles as every other country on the planet (includin Turkey).
I don't know whether we should tolerate the behaviour of Turkish Generals as much as we do for the shake of peace...
First of all Turkey is a democratic country. Our generals do only their "job".fgiorgos said:
You must give Turks in your country to speak their language free.
The innocent people were killed in Cyprus. Babes,children,women and men.
North Cyprus Turkish republic is a free country. You must understand this.
There was no Armenian suicide. Armenians killed innocent Turks and they are lying. Also they are the inveders in Azerbaycan.
Aegean sea is not only yours. If you dare enough to increase your naval border to 12 miles, this is a war reason.
Good luck.
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