Turkey to buy German tanks

[Waylander]

I think with the DM63 Rheinmetall tries to make the L/55 more usefull for countrys with more extreme climatic conditions and many oversea missions.
For germany the DM53 is enough. We have no A4s in active service and our climate is also very moderate.

 

[RubiconNZ]

Waylander a quick question if you don't mind, (Save me reading back) without having to read over a whole bunch of threads, about how many Leo 2's does Germany have available for sale from Warstocks and arm reductions?

 

[swerve]

Waylander a quick question if you don't mind, (Save me reading back) without having to read over a whole bunch of threads, about how many Leo 2's does Germany have available for sale from Warstocks and arm reductions?

I can do a cut and paste of a summary from a text file I have sitting on my PC -

Bought/sold Total
Switzerland 370
Netherlands 445
-115 330
-52 278
-36 242

Sweden 120
Greece 170
Spain 219
Germany 380
450 830
300 1130
300 1430
370 1800
150 1950
100 2050
75 2125
-160 1965
-52 1913
-124 1789
-128 1661
-183 1478
-298 1180
-100 1080
-108 972

2nd hand Source
Sweden 160 (Germany)
Austria 115 (Netherlands)
Denmark 52 (Germany)
Norway 52 (Netherlands)
Finland 124 (Germany)
Poland 128 (Germany)
Greece 183 (Germany)
Turkey 298 (Germany)
Chile 100 (Germany)
Spain 108 (Germany)
Portugal 36 (Netherlands)

 

[RubiconNZ]

Wicked mate thanks for the effort, I had no idea Switzerland bought so many for starters
Great info
Cheers

 

[Waylander]

Aaah, you're fast.

 

[Waylander]

Woohoooooo.
I'm number one!!!! :

First picture of turkish Leopard IIA4:


http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7813/tnkjq7.jpg

 

[black and tan]

Both Greece and Turkey seem to be modernizing their fleets, any decision by Turkey as to where these new units will be based, Western Turkey or near Iraq?

 

[PlasmaKrab]

Our Turkish posters will have to confirm this, but as far as I've heard, The Leos will equip the units in western Turkey, near the Greek border, while the military regions facing Syria and Iraq will be upgraded with the cheaper Sabra M60. Given the look of Syrian and Iranian tank forces these days, Leopard-2A4s (possibly with local upgrades) would simply be overkill against them, and rolling waves of armour isn't the main threat around there.

 

[orko_8]

Our Turkish posters will have to confirm this, but as far as I've heard, The Leos will equip the units in western Turkey, near the Greek border, while the military regions facing Syria and Iraq will be upgraded with the cheaper Sabra M60. Given the look of Syrian and Iranian tank forces these days, Leopard-2A4s (possibly with local upgrades) would simply be overkill against them, and rolling waves of armour isn't the main threat around there.

You are correct PlasmaKrab, Leopard 2A4 tanks will equip units in Thrace (Northwestern Turkey), while upgraded M-60A1 Sabra's will go to south-southeastern Turkey.

 

[Big-E]

You are correct PlasmaKrab, Leopard 2A4 tanks will equip units in Thrace (Northwestern Turkey), while upgraded M-60A1 Sabra's will go to south-southeastern Turkey.

Are M-60s a match for Zulqifars?

 

[eckherl]

Are M-60s a match for Zulqifars?

They shouldn`t have any issues, be it the 1,2 or 3 model. I would place my money on the Sabra`s.

 

[Waylander]

There are no real infos about the zulfiquar, so who knews...

 

[Big-E]

There are no real infos about the zulfiquar, so who knews...

I heard it was made up of cannabalized M-60 parts, I didn't know if it was comperable.

 

[eckherl]

There are no real infos about the zulfiquar, so who knews...

They pretty much have used the technology from M60`s and T-72`s and placed it on one vehicle, 125 mm Russian gun, spaced armor, advanced computer fire control. They started manufacturing around 1998.

 

[Waylander]

Nice infos but this is still very vague.

 

[eckherl]

Nice infos but this is still very vague.

Let me do some more digging on the subject.

 

[Waylander]

That would be great.
Everything I found out in the past are the same vague infos and two or three photos.

 

[swerve]

Are M-60s a match for Zulqifars?

A Turkish Sabra isn't quite an M60. More armour, 120mm gun vs 105mm, more powerful engine, better FCS . . . . it's the bastard child of an M60 & a Merkava 4.

 

[eckherl]

Nice infos but this is still very vague.

This is what I have come up with so far.

125mm 2A46m Russian Gun
Slovenia Fontana EFCS-3 computerized fire control system for better stabalization, day and night image intesifying sighting system, laser warning system mounted on top of turret.
Same Auto loader as on T -72.
All new welded turret shaped like M1 series tank with same armor protection level found on T-72B2, which should be realistic due to a vehicle weight of around 40 tons.
Estimated top end for speed is around 65 kilometers per hour.

 

[Big-E]

This is what I have come up with so far.

125mm 2A46m Russian Gun
Slovenia Fontana EFCS-3 computerized fire control system for better stabalization, day and night image intesifying sighting system, laser warning system mounted on top of turret.
Same Auto loader as on T -72.
All new welded turret shaped like M1 series tank with same armor protection level found on T-72B2, which should be realistic due to a vehicle weight of around 40 tons.
Estimated top end for speed is around 65 kilometers per hour.

Sounds like it would give the Sabra a run for it's money. I wonder if they should put the Leos on that border. Greece can only hit the Istanbul area without a MAJOR amphib op.