The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[seaspear]

Certainly Russian sources have mentioned heavy usages of motorcycles in attacks

Russian battalion attacks Ukrainian positions on off-road motorcycles

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[Redshift]

While the Western Mainstream Media and EU still call Zelensky champion of democracy. Zelensky is just another Oligarchs back regime and basically Putin wannabe. I wrote that few years back and still stand on it. The funny thing is before the War, Western Mainstream media use to critize Ukraine democracy track record.

What total and utter nonsense.

Was Zelensky elected in a free and fair manner? Yes

Was Putin EVER elected that way? Maybe once long ago

To call Zelensky a Putin wannabe is laughable, this is his first term highly likely to end in an election as soon as the war is over. When did Zelensky initiate any form of conflict outside the borders of Ukraine?

Your usual tirade against the West .. well I think that is what we expect on here these days you just can't stop yourself.

And citing your own posts is NOT evidence of anything other than your own, seriously anti west, attitude.

Before Zelensky was elected there were very serious problem with the previous dodgy elections which bought a pro Russian president to power ego wax clearly not a true representative of the Ukraine people.

 

[seaspear]

When we discuss corruption lets not forget the Russian president

Is Vladimir Putin Richer Than Elon Musk? Read What Tesla CEO Said

Officially, Elon Musk's net worth is $204.7 billion, according to Forbes data. Though he is the CEO of six companies, reports say Vladimir Putin owns 20 houses, 700 cars, 58 aircraft and helicopters, and a $716 million plane.

www.ndtv.com

Putin's net worth 'rivals Elon Musk,' but 'cobweb' of bank accounts, assets hides his full value, expert says

Vladimir Putin's net worth could be as high as $200 billion with assets including a $1.4 billion palace estate dubbed "the new Versailles," a 250-foot yacht and a 750 acre forest compound.

www.foxbusiness.com

Just for balance

Here's How Much Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky Is Worth

But unlike his predecessor, Zelensky never was a billionaire. He’s currently worth roughly $20 million at most, based on reporting by Forbes Ukraine.

www.forbesmiddleeast.com

 

[rsemmes]

Enemy? Ukraine were never Russia's enemy they just weren't a slave state like Belarus and that was the problem Russia was attempting to solve with force.

They are at war, I am going to call them, both of them, "enemies".
Hint: That is how countries solve problems, by force; it is called History. After negotiations fail or without negotiations.

 

[rsemmes]

Do car bombs count as hybrid-warfare?

 

[Ananda]

Just for balance

Forbes is simply not a balance sources, just like many Western Mainstream media. On Zelensky they only calculate his show biz business or more precise his 'legit' business. However when taking on Putin wealth they are more calculating his "perceive" wealth base on some close Oligarchs business.

Where Is the Missing $100 Billion in U.S. Aid for Ukraine?

“I don’t know where all the money is"—CSIS expert Mark Cancian covers the facts behind Ukraine’s “missing” $100 billion.

www.csis.org

I can bring more hard right wing sources that blatantly claim on Zelensky corruption and his Oligarchs friends business profitering in this war. Off course the left wing supporters will claim it nonsense because it is coming from other side (even Western ones).

Thus let's put this CSIS report.In this report Zelensky claim his administration doesn't receive all the money US send. Well he just in sense admitted his administration is also corrupt. There's no way the money that's not receive by Ukraine 'legally', only being spend in US.

He's corrupt, his administration corrupt and he is in time if givin chance, will become another Putin. No doubt Putin is corrupt and his administration is full of Oligarchs interests. However saying Zelensky and his administration is not like that, is also delusional complete nonsense.

Zelensky is Democracy shining hope in Ukraine is nonsense. Still it is something that I continue see in day to day interaction with my Western colleagues. Especially from those who are vehemently believe on Mainsteam mostly Left Wing propaganda.

Perhaps Trump and his MAGA administration correct on this. This is a war between two Corrupt Oligarchs backed regime. US should back away and let them finish each other. It is more blatantly honest and much less pretentious approach.

 

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“There is a realpolitik reality: any deal that can get Russia on board will look unfavorable to the Ukrainians. But within reason the Ukrainians will have to come to terms with something that may be second best to a deal they would have wanted two years ago,” another European diplomat said. “That is just where we are.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/24/politics/us-allies-alarm-ukraine-framework/index.html

Or, what deal will Ukraine get in two years time. A better one?

 

[Redshift]

They are at war, I am going to call them, both of them, "enemies".
Hint: That is how countries solve problems, by force; it is called History. After negotiations fail or without negotiations.

I'm sorry but that's just silly, Ukraine is at war because Russia attacked them.

When Russia attacked Ukraine then and only then, did Ukraine view Russia as an enemy.

You can use doublespeak all you like but it's just a good idea that somebody points it out for you.

To be honest this entire thread is becoming dominated by people like you and Kip and a few others who continually churn out the Russian states view of this war and it has become tiresome.

Your "hint" is both patronising and incorrect "history" is a description of things that happened and not a conclusive way of determining the meaning of current ongoing situations. History does not tell us that people attacked by others are enemies of those that attacked, even if this becomes so inconvenient the future.

Ukraine can be described as viewing Russia as an enemy purely and solely because Russia chose to attack them for no particularly good reasons other than wishing to dominate them and convert them into another Belarus.

 

[rsemmes]

I'm sorry but that's just silly, Ukraine is at war because Russia attacked them.
When Russia attacked Ukraine then and only then, did Ukraine view Russia as an enemy.
You can use doublespeak all you like but it's just a good idea that somebody points it out for you.
To be honest this entire thread is becoming dominated by people like you and Kip and a few others who continually churn out the Russian states view of this war and it has become tiresome.
Your "hint" is both patronising and incorrect "history" is a description of things that happened and not a conclusive way of determining the meaning of current ongoing situations. History does not tell us that people attacked by others are enemies of those that attacked, even if this becomes so inconvenient the future.
Ukraine can be described as viewing Russia as an enemy purely and solely because Russia chose to attack them for no particularly good reasons other than wishing to dominate them and convert them into another Belarus.

We agree, they are at war.
We agree, they are enemies. I don't know if Russia sees Ukraine as an enemy or as an ex-friend, a friend no more, a ceased to be a friend...
No-friend would be the actual neospeak, but I don't know if you meant "doublethink". Actually, I don't know what you mean...
Curiously enough, I think that there is too much wishful thinking in the thread, considering the reality on the battlefield; but I wouldn't say "dominated".
"Sorry, I only meant to scratch." History tells us that nations solve problems by the use of force.
We agree, again, they are enemies; being at war does that. I did not comment on the reason why.

 

[Vanquish]

They are at war, I am going to call them, both of them, "enemies".
Hint: That is how countries solve problems, by force; it is called History. After negotiations fail or without negotiations.

How sad, after all the wars throughout history if we haven't figured out by now how to get along through diplomacy then there clearly is no intelligent life on this planet.

 

[Vanquish]

Forbes is simply not a balance sources, just like many Western Mainstream media. On Zelensky they only calculate his show biz business or more precise his 'legit' business. However when taking on Putin wealth they are more calculating his "perceive" wealth base on some close Oligarchs business.

Where Is the Missing $100 Billion in U.S. Aid for Ukraine?

“I don’t know where all the money is"—CSIS expert Mark Cancian covers the facts behind Ukraine’s “missing” $100 billion.

www.csis.org

I can bring more hard right wing sources that blatantly claim on Zelensky corruption and his Oligarchs friends business profitering in this war. Off course the left wing supporters will claim it nonsense because it is coming from other side (even Western ones).

Thus let's put this CSIS report.In this report Zelensky claim his administration doesn't receive all the money US send. Well he just in sense admitted his administration is also corrupt. There's no way the money that's not receive by Ukraine 'legally', only being spend in US.

He's corrupt, his administration corrupt and he is in time if givin chance, will become another Putin. No doubt Putin is corrupt and his administration is full of Oligarchs interests. However saying Zelensky and his administration is not like that, is also delusional complete nonsense.

Zelensky is Democracy shining hope in Ukraine is nonsense. Still it is something that I continue see in day to day interaction with my Western colleagues. Especially from those who are vehemently believe on Mainsteam mostly Left Wing propaganda.

Perhaps Trump and his MAGA administration correct on this. This is a war between two Corrupt Oligarchs backed regime. US should back away and let them finish each other. It is more blatantly honest and much less pretentious approach.

I'm glad your still sitting on the fence.

 

[Redshift]

Forbes is simply not a balance sources, just like many Western Mainstream media. On Zelensky they only calculate his show biz business or more precise his 'legit' business. However when taking on Putin wealth they are more calculating his "perceive" wealth base on some close Oligarchs business.

Where Is the Missing $100 Billion in U.S. Aid for Ukraine?

“I don’t know where all the money is"—CSIS expert Mark Cancian covers the facts behind Ukraine’s “missing” $100 billion.

www.csis.org

I can bring more hard right wing sources that blatantly claim on Zelensky corruption and his Oligarchs friends business profitering in this war. Off course the left wing supporters will claim it nonsense because it is coming from other side (even Western ones).

Thus let's put this CSIS report.In this report Zelensky claim his administration doesn't receive all the money US send. Well he just in sense admitted his administration is also corrupt. There's no way the money that's not receive by Ukraine 'legally', only being spend in US.

He's corrupt, his administration corrupt and he is in time if givin chance, will become another Putin. No doubt Putin is corrupt and his administration is full of Oligarchs interests. However saying Zelensky and his administration is not like that, is also delusional complete nonsense.

Zelensky is Democracy shining hope in Ukraine is nonsense. Still it is something that I continue see in day to day interaction with my Western colleagues. Especially from those who are vehemently believe on Mainsteam mostly Left Wing propaganda.

Perhaps Trump and his MAGA administration correct on this. This is a war between two Corrupt Oligarchs backed regime. US should back away and let them finish each other. It is more blatantly honest and much less pretentious approach.

This not a war *between* anyone it is a war of aggression waged by one party only, namely Russia and Putin.
No doubt when China start flexing its muscles more firmly in the South China Sea you will describe all people resisting China as China wannabes and soplaude the USA when it abandons you all and leaves you to fight it out amongst yourselves as you wish upon Ukraine.