Sandhi Yudha
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Russian Navy Discussions and Updates
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It seems that the inspection of the Ukrainan Slava class cruiser , Ukraina, did not end well.
Acourding to russian sources the cost for finish and modifing the cruiser is to high and Russia will only take the vessel if they can have it for free.
The is not so unlikley as it sounds cause Ukraine is spending 1 million $ just on maintenance costs every year.
Russia won't buy uncompleted cruiser from Ukraine
Acourding to russian sources the cost for finish and modifing the cruiser is to high and Russia will only take the vessel if they can have it for free.
The is not so unlikley as it sounds cause Ukraine is spending 1 million $ just on maintenance costs every year.
Russia won't buy uncompleted cruiser from Ukraine
haha, that'd be interesting. I remember the Ukrainians were trying to sell it to China for a while there.
It'd make more sense for this ship to somehow end up in Russian Navy rather than rusting away. But what do I know...
Stranger things have happened before. Like Ukraine piling up gas debts, while sawing apart shiny new Tu-160s.
RubiconNZ
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Was there a specific reason for it? I always wondered why, peace and love, stick it to the Russians, an aversion at the time to giving Russia a long range strike platforms?
Politics. Any further substantiation runs the risk of my own bias.
And it looks like the deal for 4 Mistrals has been signed, with per-ship price rumored to be under 600 million EU each. Localization for production will be 20-40-60-80 for each ship respectively. Handover dates are rumored in the 2014-2015 time frame, and the VMF line is that the first ship is going to Pacfic fleet (makes sense with the Kuril Islands, and Sakhalin) and the second to the Northern fleet.
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Given infrastructure requirements for the Mistrals, I think Georgia can sleep sound for the time being.
EDIT: Other sources seems to indicate the first two Mistrals will be Pacific fleet property, partly due to the recent diplomatic scuffle with Japan.
http://vz.ru/economy/2011/1/25/463741.html
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Given infrastructure requirements for the Mistrals, I think Georgia can sleep sound for the time being.
EDIT: Other sources seems to indicate the first two Mistrals will be Pacific fleet property, partly due to the recent diplomatic scuffle with Japan.
http://vz.ru/economy/2011/1/25/463741.html
interesting, I thought the first 2 would be fully built in France? I guess Russia will be involved in the constructions right from the outset.And it looks like the deal for 4 Mistrals has been signed, with per-ship price rumored to be under 600 million EU each. Localization for production will be 20-40-60-80 for each ship respectively. Handover dates are rumored in the 2014-2015 time frame, and the VMF line is that the first ship is going to Pacfic fleet (makes sense with the Kuril Islands, and Sakhalin) and the second to the Northern fleet.
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Given infrastructure requirements for the Mistrals, I think Georgia can sleep sound for the time being.
EDIT: Other sources seems to indicate the first two Mistrals will be Pacific fleet property, partly due to the recent diplomatic scuffle with Japan.
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I suspect that the final assembly and launching of the first two ships will be done by France, with only some subcontractor work done in Russia, the goal being that by th last ship Russia will be able to produce the ships themselves, with the exception of sourcing some minor components (which is done even for domestic ships these days.
Admiral Kutznetsov to be upgraded
The Fleet Admiral of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov, currently the only aircraft carrier serving as the flagship of the Russian Navy, will be upgraded, the media reported, quoting Navy sources. The aircraft carrier, due to enter a dry dock in 2012, will be re-launched in 2017.
Originally laid as the Leonid Brezhnev in 1982, launched as the Riga in 1985 and renamed as the Tbilisi in 1987, the warship received her current name in 1990. Western analysts call her a ship of a thousand names.
The Admiral Kuznetsov entered service with the Russian Navy in 1991 and was used for the operation of deck aircraft, the development of new tactics, including those for dealing with carriers of theoretical enemies.
In the late 1990s and the early 2000s, it was repeatedly proposed that the Admiral Kuznetsov, which remained moored for long time periods, be decommissioned and sold for scrap.
However, an improved situation in the country gave the ship a new lease of life. Her propulsion unit and other equipment were repaired, and she started taking part in various high seas war games more often.
In the mid-2000s, Navy representatives and Russian political leaders once again started speaking of the need to build aircraft carriers for the Navy. Moscow decided to preserve the Admiral Kuznetsov, used to train deck aircraft pilots.
The upcoming large-scale modernization was motivated by the need to eliminate the ship's inherent drawbacks and to repair some of her units. Plans for docking the ship in 2010-2012 were discussed more frequently and have now been confirmed.
Although it is hard to assess the revamped carrier's specifications, her future appearance can be predicted on the basis of available reports.
First of all, the defective propulsion unit comprising steam turbines and turbo-pressurized boilers will be replaced either with a gas-turbine or nuclear propulsion unit.
The ship's 3M45 P-700 Granit (SS-N-19 Shipwreck) anti-ship cruise-missile launchers will be dismantled, and her internal layout changed. Consequently, the hangar area will be expanded to 4,500-5,000 sq. m. for storing additional fixed-wing aircraft.
The Admiral Kuznetsov's air defenses will be strengthened by replacing 3K95 Kinzhal (SA-N-9 Gauntlet) missiles with a multi-role naval system featuring 80-120 new-generation and medium-range surface-to-air missiles (SAMs).
Moreover, 4-6 Pantsir-S1 (SA-22 Greyhound) combined short to medium-range SAM and anti-aircraft artillery weapons systems will be installed.
The new weapons systems will feature state-of-the-art radio-electronic equipment, probably including the standard Sigma combat information and control system, due to be installed on all new generation Russian warships. The system facilitates unprecedentedly effective cooperation between task force elements.
The carrier will also receive aircraft catapults, a logical option. Considering the fact that her ski-jump will remain intact, one or two catapults can be located on the angled flight deck.
A similar engineering solution was envisioned for the incomplete Ulyanovsk super-carrier, whose keel was laid down in 1988, but the project was cancelled when it was 40% complete along with a sister ship in 1991 after the end of the Cold War.
By that time, the Soviet Union had developed steam catapults and tested an experimental version at the ground-based NITKA training facility incorporating a ski-jump and deck arrestor. Consequently, this task is feasible.
The choice of catapults is linked with the choice of the ship's propulsion unit. Steam catapults require a nuclear propulsion unit, while a gas turbine propulsion unit leaves no choice but electromagnetic catapults. Moscow will either have to develop such catapults independently or buy them abroad, or ... copy them illegally.
The carrier's air wing is to comprise 26 new Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29K Fulcrum-D multi-role fighter aircraft, helicopters and navalized Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA (Future Frontline Aircraft System) fifth-generation fighters, currently under development. It appears that 15-20 of these aircraft will be built pending the ship's re-launching, which is likely to take place in 2020 rather than 2017.
http://www.***********/forums/milit...grade-admiral-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier.html
The Fleet Admiral of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov, currently the only aircraft carrier serving as the flagship of the Russian Navy, will be upgraded, the media reported, quoting Navy sources. The aircraft carrier, due to enter a dry dock in 2012, will be re-launched in 2017.
Originally laid as the Leonid Brezhnev in 1982, launched as the Riga in 1985 and renamed as the Tbilisi in 1987, the warship received her current name in 1990. Western analysts call her a ship of a thousand names.
The Admiral Kuznetsov entered service with the Russian Navy in 1991 and was used for the operation of deck aircraft, the development of new tactics, including those for dealing with carriers of theoretical enemies.
In the late 1990s and the early 2000s, it was repeatedly proposed that the Admiral Kuznetsov, which remained moored for long time periods, be decommissioned and sold for scrap.
However, an improved situation in the country gave the ship a new lease of life. Her propulsion unit and other equipment were repaired, and she started taking part in various high seas war games more often.
In the mid-2000s, Navy representatives and Russian political leaders once again started speaking of the need to build aircraft carriers for the Navy. Moscow decided to preserve the Admiral Kuznetsov, used to train deck aircraft pilots.
The upcoming large-scale modernization was motivated by the need to eliminate the ship's inherent drawbacks and to repair some of her units. Plans for docking the ship in 2010-2012 were discussed more frequently and have now been confirmed.
Although it is hard to assess the revamped carrier's specifications, her future appearance can be predicted on the basis of available reports.
First of all, the defective propulsion unit comprising steam turbines and turbo-pressurized boilers will be replaced either with a gas-turbine or nuclear propulsion unit.
The ship's 3M45 P-700 Granit (SS-N-19 Shipwreck) anti-ship cruise-missile launchers will be dismantled, and her internal layout changed. Consequently, the hangar area will be expanded to 4,500-5,000 sq. m. for storing additional fixed-wing aircraft.
The Admiral Kuznetsov's air defenses will be strengthened by replacing 3K95 Kinzhal (SA-N-9 Gauntlet) missiles with a multi-role naval system featuring 80-120 new-generation and medium-range surface-to-air missiles (SAMs).
Moreover, 4-6 Pantsir-S1 (SA-22 Greyhound) combined short to medium-range SAM and anti-aircraft artillery weapons systems will be installed.
The new weapons systems will feature state-of-the-art radio-electronic equipment, probably including the standard Sigma combat information and control system, due to be installed on all new generation Russian warships. The system facilitates unprecedentedly effective cooperation between task force elements.
The carrier will also receive aircraft catapults, a logical option. Considering the fact that her ski-jump will remain intact, one or two catapults can be located on the angled flight deck.
A similar engineering solution was envisioned for the incomplete Ulyanovsk super-carrier, whose keel was laid down in 1988, but the project was cancelled when it was 40% complete along with a sister ship in 1991 after the end of the Cold War.
By that time, the Soviet Union had developed steam catapults and tested an experimental version at the ground-based NITKA training facility incorporating a ski-jump and deck arrestor. Consequently, this task is feasible.
The choice of catapults is linked with the choice of the ship's propulsion unit. Steam catapults require a nuclear propulsion unit, while a gas turbine propulsion unit leaves no choice but electromagnetic catapults. Moscow will either have to develop such catapults independently or buy them abroad, or ... copy them illegally.
The carrier's air wing is to comprise 26 new Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29K Fulcrum-D multi-role fighter aircraft, helicopters and navalized Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA (Future Frontline Aircraft System) fifth-generation fighters, currently under development. It appears that 15-20 of these aircraft will be built pending the ship's re-launching, which is likely to take place in 2020 rather than 2017.
http://www.***********/forums/milit...grade-admiral-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier.html
They're doing a Vikramaditya style refit, pulling the weaponry, and making it a full-on aircraft carrier.
What's far more interesting is whether they'll get the MiG-29K with Zhuk-AE, or not. If they do, then it'll be one of the most capable fighters in the Russian inventory for a very long time to come.
What's far more interesting is whether they'll get the MiG-29K with Zhuk-AE, or not. If they do, then it'll be one of the most capable fighters in the Russian inventory for a very long time to come.
The MiG-29K has much in common with the MiG-35. Both are derivates of the MiG-29M2, with the MiG-29K being the navalized derivative for the Indian Navy, and the MiG-35 being the MMRCA derivative. The two designs should be fully interchangeable as far as the avionics go.
It looks like the SENIT-9 will be sold to Russia (a quantity of 4 units) but no production license for it. Meaning even the two ships produced in Russia will have their C2 systems installed by France. It also means French specialists will be required to maintain and service the system.
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If this is how it plays out it will be an un-paralleled level of penetration of the Russian defence market by a foreign company.
Then again the Germans are building a large new training center iirc by Nizhniy Novgorod.
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If this is how it plays out it will be an un-paralleled level of penetration of the Russian defence market by a foreign company.
Then again the Germans are building a large new training center iirc by Nizhniy Novgorod.
100 new warships for the russian navy until 2020.
Acording to deputy defense minister Vladimir Popovkin the navy will recieve 20 submarines, 35 corvettes, and 15 frigates under the 2011-2020 period.
What the other 35 ships will be was not mentioned.
I wounder if any new destroyers will be orderd.
Russian Navy to procure 100 ships by 2020
Acording to deputy defense minister Vladimir Popovkin the navy will recieve 20 submarines, 35 corvettes, and 15 frigates under the 2011-2020 period.
What the other 35 ships will be was not mentioned.
I wounder if any new destroyers will be orderd.
Russian Navy to procure 100 ships by 2020
The deal for the Slava class missile cruiser Ukraynina does not seem the be totaly dead in the water. Both Russia and Ukraine still wants the deal to come thrue.
Russia waits for Kiev's acceptable decision on the missile cruiser sale
Russia waits for Kiev's acceptable decision on the missile cruiser sale
There are five new missile patrol boats being built at Zelendolsk, they must be part of the 35 ships not mentioned.
I think this summs it up quite nicely. While the ship is close to complete, it's old, and not in the best condition. The dismantling costs, as well as maintenance costs, make the ship expensive for Ukraine even if it's not being operated. While Russia would have to invest considerable money to repair, modernize, and arm the ship. Hence why they're not willing to spend money on it.