Pakistan test its first cruise missile "BABUR"

Red aRRow

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kashifshahzad said:
Sri how can you explain your statement how it would be better for india in the long run?????
Probably likes to tell himself that as a reassurance. Srirangan Pakistan has the second highest growth rate after China in the world. It's not like she is running out of money or something.

Anyways back to the topic. Is it possible that a missile can incorporate both Galileo and GPS as a means of guidance. I know the military grade signals which allow for a one meter error margin are not available freely but what if a missile uses both the systems in parallel to increase the accuracy further down to a couple of meters.
 

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kashifshahzad said:
i met an employee who is working in the Atomic energy comission nilore Islamabad he told me that his brother will be resently going to china for a course for one year for the JF-17 .His brother is basically a CNC machine operator most of the people know here that what is CNC it is a machine in which when you design something by feeding the design in the machine you can get the manufactured parts join them and make the things which you want.He told me that he will learn there the airframes but the engines would be developed here in Pakistan SABRE can you cnfirm this report .Do pakistan have the capebility to reverse engineer an engine (If we can reverse angineer an Tomahawk an AAMRAM in the shape of SD-10 joint developed by Pakistan and china then why cant the engine :rolleyes: )
At this moment I cant confirm any thing for various reasons & I wont get much info either

I cant say whether Pakistan has ability to reverse engineer the Engine. We would need Chinese assisstance. PAC Kamra probably has engineer who can do this & have recieved training in China.

By no officials accounts we have reverse engineered Tomahawk. Stop saying it like u r sure abt it. These asumptions make roumers like "Pakistan providing F-16 to China for study for J-10"

We have not even reverse engineered AMRAAMs. SD-10 in real terms is Chinese not Pakistani. We'll get the ToT for it.

Highsea said:
I wouldn't rule out US help anyway, relations have improved considerably in the last few years. Hell, we are providing new F-16's. Things like INS/GPS are pretty mundane, and could easily be supplied on the side or through a third party. The only thing we would be fussy about would be the TERCOM and software, but even that can be safeguarded against tampering.
Thats a possibility. Republicans governments have history of providing Pakistan with advance weapons but considering the time when Pakistan started work on Cruiser & the time Bush was elected makes the probability quite low but who knows US might have jumped in between the production.
 
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HIMARK

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Hatf-VII Babur is a reverse-engineered Tomahawk. For those who think it is an HN-1, please place photos of all three missiles side-by-side - Babur, Tomahawk and HN1 - and see for yourself.

1998 - Six Tomahawks malfunction and land in Balochistan Province of Pakistan. 2 out of the 4 Tomahawks are found INTACT (with only dents on the skin) by the Pakistan Army and confiscated. 4 Tomahawks are either destroyed on impact or severely damaged/broken apart into pieces.

1999 - Project 828 starts in NDC in Fatehjung, west of Islamabad. Project 828 is Pakistan's secret programme to develop an indigenous cruise missile capability and aims to reverse-engineer the Tomahawk. Chinese engineers (from the Chinese cruise missile programme) are also flown in for this Project. However, it is NOT a Chinese project, nor does China finance it. In fact, the salaries of Chinese engineers are paid for by Pakistan.

2004 - First tests of Babur are carried out. Most fail.

2005 - After fine-tuning, further tests of Babur are carried out, most of which are successful.

2005 August - First "public" test of Babur is carried out. It has taken Pakistan 7 years to successfully reverse-engineer the Tomahawk (Pakistan's Information Minister, as quoted in the media, has referred to the development period being "8 years" because he is erroneously counting 1998, in which the Tomahawks were recovered, when, in fact, Project 828 began in 1999). This is why the missile is going into serial production soon. Project 828 has reached its conclusion.

And for those of you who are doubting Pakistan's ability to reverse-engineer technology have no idea about the capabilities of Pakistanis to copy things mostly at a fraction of the cost of the original. Pakistanis are masters at the art of COPYING. 30% of the components of the F-16 have been reverse-engineered and are being manufactured in Pakistan. If Pakistan had access to F-16 technology, they could produce the jets at 30% less cost than the Americans do.

It is for this reason that at least 20 components of the Boeing 777 will be manufactured at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra.

Motto of the Pakistan Defence Industry: "Why reinvent the wheel?"



adsH: Put a link here!! if i don't see one soon this one's going!!

To "adsH":

Link to where!? Myself? I am the author of this information. You won't find it published anywhere because this is the first time this information has been made public. I simply wanted to put a stop to the misinformation regarding the Babur and to put the record straight. Unless, of course, this forum is for amateur armchair defence analysts only, in which case, you can delete my registration. Just remember, you heard it first on my post.

"Where ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise"
 
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interseptor

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I don't know but maybe the pakistani's have just repaired the droped Tomahawk cruise missiles and then claimed as being developed by pakistan I am not sure I am only pointing a possibility, because the Babur missile is look a like of Tomahawk, and even has the same features of the Tomahawk.

And last the HN-1/2/3 are nothing compareble to the babur completly different designs and capability

this source has pictures and video of tomahawk and believe it or not it is a look like babur missile the only diference between both is Babur has a range of 500 km and Tomahawk a rang of 1024 km 600 miles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/bgm-109.htm
adsH: This is an example message if i see anyone speculating out of the blue, and comming out with statements, that are realy stupid. I will start deleting messages.
 
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pshamim

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Sri,

I consider you one of the more matured participants from South Asia on this forum. Your comments are well thought and I learn reading them. But recent comments like "it will be better for India in the long run" sounds more of a "wishful thinking".
 
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srirangan

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HIMARK said:
Hatf-VII Babur is a reverse-engineered Tomahawk. For those who think it is an HN-1, please place photos of all three missiles side-by-side - Babur, Tomahawk and HN1 - and see for yourself.

1998 - Six Tomahawks malfunction and land in Balochistan Province of Pakistan. 2 out of the 4 Tomahawks are found INTACT (with only dents on the skin) by the Pakistan Army and confiscated. 4 Tomahawks are either destroyed on impact or severely damaged/broken apart into pieces.

1999 - Project 828 starts in NDC in Fatehjung, west of Islamabad. Project 828 is Pakistan's secret programme to develop an indigenous cruise missile capability and aims to reverse-engineer the Tomahawk. Chinese engineers (from the Chinese cruise missile programme) are also flown in for this Project. However, it is NOT a Chinese project, nor does China finance it. In fact, the salaries of Chinese engineers are paid for by Pakistan.

2004 - First tests of Babur are carried out. Most fail.

2005 - After fine-tuning, further tests of Babur are carried out, most of which are successful.

2005 August - First "public" test of Babur is carried out. It has taken Pakistan 7 years to successfully reverse-engineer the Tomahawk (Pakistan's Information Minister, as quoted in the media, has referred to the development period being "8 years" because he is erroneously counting 1998, in which the Tomahawks were recovered, when, in fact, Project 828 began in 1999). This is why the missile is going into serial production soon. Project 828 has reached its conclusion.

And for those of you who are doubting Pakistan's ability to reverse-engineer technology have no idea about the capabilities of Pakistanis to copy things mostly at a fraction of the cost of the original. Pakistanis are masters at the art of COPYING. 30% of the components of the F-16 have been reverse-engineered and are being manufactured in Pakistan. If Pakistan had access to F-16 technology, they could produce the jets at 30% less cost than the Americans do.

It is for this reason that at least 20 components of the Boeing 777 will be manufactured at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra.

Motto of the Pakistan Defence Industry: "Why reinvent the wheel?"
Somehow I want to believe that! :)

Btw can you give more information about Babur tests in 2004? Were they conducted under the disguise of Nishan UAV?
 

kashifshahzad

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HIMARK said:
Hatf-VII Babur is a reverse-engineered Tomahawk. For those who think it is an HN-1, please place photos of all three missiles side-by-side - Babur, Tomahawk and HN1 - and see for yourself.

1998 - Six Tomahawks malfunction and land in Balochistan Province of Pakistan. 2 out of the 4 Tomahawks are found INTACT (with only dents on the skin) by the Pakistan Army and confiscated. 4 Tomahawks are either destroyed on impact or severely damaged/broken apart into pieces.

1999 - Project 828 starts in NDC in Fatehjung, west of Islamabad. Project 828 is Pakistan's secret programme to develop an indigenous cruise missile capability and aims to reverse-engineer the Tomahawk. Chinese engineers (from the Chinese cruise missile programme) are also flown in for this Project. However, it is NOT a Chinese project, nor does China finance it. In fact, the salaries of Chinese engineers are paid for by Pakistan.

2004 - First tests of Babur are carried out. Most fail.

2005 - After fine-tuning, further tests of Babur are carried out, most of which are successful.

2005 August - First "public" test of Babur is carried out. It has taken Pakistan 7 years to successfully reverse-engineer the Tomahawk (Pakistan's Information Minister, as quoted in the media, has referred to the development period being "8 years" because he is erroneously counting 1998, in which the Tomahawks were recovered, when, in fact, Project 828 began in 1999). This is why the missile is going into serial production soon. Project 828 has reached its conclusion.

And for those of you who are doubting Pakistan's ability to reverse-engineer technology have no idea about the capabilities of Pakistanis to copy things mostly at a fraction of the cost of the original. Pakistanis are masters at the art of COPYING. 30% of the components of the F-16 have been reverse-engineered and are being manufactured in Pakistan. If Pakistan had access to F-16 technology, they could produce the jets at 30% less cost than the Americans do.

It is for this reason that at least 20 components of the Boeing 777 will be manufactured at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra.

Motto of the Pakistan Defence Industry: "Why reinvent the wheel?"
From where did you get all this information SABRE dosent have that much resources which you have.I think you are from an agancy.Can you give me information about the engine which will be fitted in the new JF-17 thunder.
 

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Folks, stay on the topic or else we will be forced to do a clean up in this thread. I don't want to see "india economy better than Pakistan economy crap" in here. Try to stay on the technical side of the issues...
 

SU 30MKI

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Well,

We still don't know much about the missile , so it premature to say it scuess or not.

We don't know many parameters on which success of cruse missile depends, like:-

1) Gudiance System
2) Payload Capacity
3) Physical Characterstics like Weight , Height , Length
4) Radar Signature
5) Fuel
6) Counter MEasures etc.

Lets take gudiance , We still don't know Which gudiance system it is using?

1) US GPS
2) Russian -Indian Glonass
3) EU-India-China Galileo

In the last two Indian has Majority to say , So i don't Pak getting Militry Grade GPS signels from these two system

THe option Left is US GPS, Well everyone know about US, I don't think US will allow this happen in future as India -US militry relation set to rise.

So may be cruise missile will not turn into UAV at last
 

SABRE

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SU 30MKI said:
Well,

We still don't know much about the missile , so it premature to say it success or not.
Do you realy have to know about the Missile specifications to know wheather it is success or not. In that case you may never know. It flew, it guided it self on the pakistani terrian to where it had to go, it striked Chaghi mountain & destroyed it self. Its enough to know that it was successful & scientist have already declared it success.

Next step increae the range to 1000Km.

We don't know many parameters on which success of cruse missile depends, like:-

1) Gudiance System
2) Payload Capacity
3) Physical Characterstics like Weight , Height , Length
4) Radar Signature
5) Fuel
6) Counter MEasures etc.

Lets take gudiance , We still don't know Which gudiance system it is using?

1) US GPS
2) Russian -Indian Glonass
3) EU-India-China Galileo

In the last two Indian has Majority to say , So i don't Pak getting Militry Grade GPS signels from these two system
You are kind of taking of specification again.

THe option Left is US GPS, Well everyone know about US, I don't think US will allow this happen in future as India -US militry relation set to rise.

So may be cruise missile will not turn into UAV at last
Probability is low but I wont side line the possibility. Republicans have history of arming Pakistan with the advance weapons & military equipment ( American Tanks, F-86Sabres, F-104 star fighters, B-57, T-33, C-130 in 1960s & P3C Orion, F-16s in 1980s etc..) keeping their eyes shut on Pak's nuke program in 1980s, not criticising army rule in Pak. Threatening to Nuke India if they do not with draw their army from West Pakistan in 1971.

Bush is walkng the same road. Made Pak MNNA, Sold us COBRA Halicoters (& have agreed to sell more) agreed to sell advance F-16s (also seems like advance weapons) & allowed to sell as many as we want (along with MLU), sent us E2C Hawkeye for evaluation, showed us F-18s (may be to catch our interest) gave signal to Sweden to sell Pak Erieye (if Pak wants to buy) & now (congradulations every one) Pak is back into discussions over JAS-39 Gripens (no interenet source here, its from my source) seems like USA sent signals to Sweden again. They declared Babur test not alraming event even when they were told its capability.

With all this I can expect any thing. There is only one Front in war against terror in Asia (probably in the whole world) right now & its Pakistan. You arm the men at front not at centre of at far side.
 
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adsH

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SU 30MKI said:
1) US GPS
2) Russian -Indian Glonass
3) EU-India-China Galileo

In the last two Indian has Majority to say , So i don't Pak getting Militry Grade GPS signels from these two system

THe option Left is US GPS, Well everyone know about US, I don't think US will allow this happen in future as India -US militry relation set to rise.

So may be cruise missile will not turn into UAV at last
Inertial Navigation systems are more then enough to Navigate those missiles GPS system is usually coupled with the Intertial Nav and is used to correct Postions intermittently i doubt you need the GPS allot when the range is about 500 km. I'm sure the Seeker is Optronic based any way so the target is identified Visually.
 

SU 30MKI

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SABRE said:
Do you realy have to know about the Missile specifications to know wheather it is success or not. In that case you may never know. It flew, it guided it self on the pakistani terrian to where it had to go, it striked Chaghi mountain & destroyed it self. Its enough to know that it was successful & scientist have already declared it success.
Well these all this can be done UAV also, can't it ? it can flew and it can hit target and destroy itself.

Pakistan scientist also claims that their nuclear bomb was ingidinous , but Lybia epsidoe proves that it is chinese First Generation Nuclear Bomb and with Blue print

SABRE said:
Next step increae the range to 1000Km.
Yes Range can Be Increase but at what Cost? Cost of Length of Missile or Cost of Width of Missile?

SABRE said:
You are kind of taking of specification again.

Probability is low but I wont side line the possibility. Republicans have history of arming Pakistan with the advance weapons & military equipment ( American Tanks, F-86Sabres, F-104 star fighters, B-57, T-33, C-130 in 1960s & P3C Orion, F-16s in 1980s etc..) keeping their eyes shut on Pak's nuke program in 1980s, not criticising army rule in Pak. Threatening to Nuke India if they do not with draw their army from West Pakistan in 1971.
I think you stuck in the Past cold war Era, Sistuation changes evryday, alliances made everyday.

" In this world their is not permanent friendship between two nations, only certain condition bring them close for a time being" churchill

During that Time Pak was a member of CENTO, Keep their eye shut only becasue PAk Helping US against Russia in Afganistan, US interest Prvails here.

SABRE said:
Bush is walkng the same road. Made Pak MNNA, Sold us COBRA Halicoters (& have agreed to sell more) agreed to sell advance F-16s (also seems like advance weapons) & allowed to sell as many as we want (along with MLU), sent us E2C Hawkeye for evaluation, showed us F-18s (may be to catch our interest) gave signal to Sweden to sell Pak Erieye (if Pak wants to buy) & now (congradulations every one) Pak is back into discussions over JAS-39 Gripens (no interenet source here, its from my source) seems like USA sent signals to Sweden again. They declared Babur test not alraming event even when they were told its capability.
Well Let me Remin you BUSH Sr. who was also Republicans, put sanction on Pak in 1990.

US selling these Wepons to Pak so that Pak Threshold of Using Nuclear Weapon came Down.

If US was so Keen on seeling advance thing why didn't also made the Similer treaty on Nuclear Reacter like India with Pak? Even also Pak Forign Minister states we are Front line allly, we are Non- Nato ally , even then also US said "NO" .

Why didnt the US invites Pak in the PSI incative ?

You clearly said, US no Relation with India in the Last century, but Look Now what? Democrates and Republican are eager to make India a World Power. ABS, Planes, nuclear reacter, satalite launch are also clear signel to it.

It now very difficult for US to provide Signals to Pak becasue all US Back office work was done in India and even one hour delay means mayhem in US industries.



Note: pls don't deleate it, it a part of tech discussion why US will not provide GPS signels
 

SU 30MKI

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adsH said:
Inertial Navigation systems are more then enough to Navigate those missiles GPS system is usually coupled with the Intertial Nav and is used to correct Postions intermittently i doubt you need the GPS allot when the range is about 500 km. I'm sure the Seeker is Optronic based any way so the target is identified Visually.
Do you think without GPS the accuracy of they missile to hit target will be? the Use of cruise missile is to hit thar target with pinpoint accuracy like hit a car? if falls 10m. here and their , then it is not good then blastic missile because nowdays using GPS blastic missile as becoming ore accurate
 

SABRE

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SU 30MKI said:
Well these all this can be done UAV also, can't it ? it can flew and it can hit target and destroy itself.

Pakistan scientist also claims that their nuclear bomb was ingidinous , but Lybia epsidoe proves that it is chinese First Generation Nuclear Bomb and with Blue print
???? Nuke Bomb or Missile?

Yes Range can Be Increase but at what Cost? Cost of Length of Missile or Cost of Width of Missile?
You can ask this question from PMOD or AQK labs or the scientists who will do it.

I think you stuck in the Past cold war Era, Sistuation changes evryday, alliances made everyday.

" In this world their is not permanent friendship between two nations, only certain condition bring them close for a time being" churchill

During that Time Pak was a member of CENTO, Keep their eye shut only becasue PAk Helping US against Russia in Afganistan, US interest Prvails here.

Well Let me Remin you BUSH Sr. who was also Republicans, put sanction on Pak in 1990.

US selling these Wepons to Pak so that Pak Threshold of Using Nuclear Weapon came Down.

If US was so Keen on seeling advance thing why didn't also made the Similer treaty on Nuclear Reacter like India with Pak? Even also Pak Forign Minister states we are Front line allly, we are Non- Nato ally , even then also US said "NO" .

Why didnt the US invites Pak in the PSI incative ?

You clearly said, US no Relation with India in the Last century, but Look Now what? Democrates and Republican are eager to make India a World Power. ABS, Planes, nuclear reacter, satalite launch are also clear signel to it.

It now very difficult for US to provide Signals to Pak becasue all US Back office work was done in India and even one hour delay means mayhem in US industries.



Note: pls don't deleate it, it a part of tech discussion why US will not provide GPS signels

Well it doesnt matter what relations US has with Pak or India & it doesnt matter now from where the tech came from. Chinese officials have said that it is different from theirs & they like it also.

USA on the other hand dint seem to be shocked & called it non alarming. Infact it could serve in US's interest. There could still be a possibility. Al-Qaida has been reported to have pretty good Anti-AirCraft guns & PAF pilots refused to fly over Afghan border to attack key terror points. No matter how high u take your Air Craft u cant escape mountain ranges & the Anti Air Craft guns may be possitioned there. One reason for US to provide latest F-16 is to increase Pak's ground attack capability from air.

Babur would perform better than Fighter jets. Pilots are not at risk, missile knows the target & terrian & one could be enough to destroy the target.
Considering this there is a very low probability that US might have helped.


Anyways as said before it doesnt matter now. We have the technology, we'll put it to production, we'll put it to induction & there is nothing USA nor India or any other country can do any thing about it. So sit back & enjoy the show.;)
 

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Here is the artical from Janes Defence. Those who do not have access to premium articals feel lucky.

JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - AUGUST 12, 2005

PAKISTAN TESTS CRUISE MISSILE

Robert Hewson, Editor, Jane's Air-Launched Weapons and
Andrew Koch JDW Bureau Chief
London and Washington, DC
Additional reporting by Farhan Bokhari
Islamabad, Pakistan

* The Pakistani Babur cruise missile seems to share several basic similarities with the US BGM-109 Tomahawk

* Pakistan's ultimate aim may be to field this weapon on its Agosta-class submarines

Pakistan has made public the first test launch of a new cruise missile system, the Babur (also known as the Hatf-VII), which was successfully flight-tested on 11 August. The launch is a significant step forward for its strategic arsenal.

Major General Shaukat Sultan, the Pakistan Army's chief spokesman, said that the weapon has a 500 km range and can be fitted with either a conventional or nuclear warhead. The Babur is described as a high-speed, low-level terrain-following missile, but Shaukat declined to provide specifics on its guidance or propulsion system. Neither is its payload capability known.

Film footage of the test launch shows the Babur being fired from a transporter erector launcher (TEL) by a solid rocket booster fitted to the missile's tail section. The booster drops away after a short initial phase and the missile transitions into forward flight with the deployment of pop-out wings and a ventral air intake for the main engine.

It is unclear whether the engine is a turbofan or turbojet power plant. However, in 2002 Pakistan announced development of a turbojet-powered aerial target called the Nishan-Mk 2TJ that analysts viewed as a preliminary step to developing a cruise missile.

The Babur test firing occurred at a previously undisclosed test range, Maj Gen Shaukat confirmed to JDW. This is understood to be located along the Baluchistan coast. A US intelligence official noted that additional tests are expected to be conducted using that area.

Pakistani scientist Samar Mubarak Mund, who heads the National Engineering and Scientific Commission that led the Babur programme, told the Pakistani newspaper The News that production of the missile would begin within a month.

The Babur appears to share several basic similarities with the US BGM-109 Tomahawk land attack cruise missile, with the two being roughly the same size and shape and having a similar wing and engine intake design. A Pakistani source with knowledge of the programme said the project began around 1998 and was bolstered by lessons learned from Tomahawk missiles recovered in Pakistan. These US Tomahawks had failed to reach intended targets in an August 1998 strike against a terrorist camp in Afghanistan; Pakistani officials at the time acknowledged that they had recovered at least two missiles. "I'm sure they must have learned from that ... they are quite good in reverse engineering," the source noted.

Additional assistance may also have come from Chinese scientists, who have collaborated closely with Pakistan on other missile developments. Chinese assistance would be especially important in the key areas of miniaturised jet engines and guidance systems and any lessons learned from the Tomahawk are sure to make their way back to Beijing.

There is also reason to believe that Pakistan has been working with Ukrainian engineers for a number of years on several elements of advanced missile capability, while a third element in Pakistan's opaque missile inventory is South Africa. Air-launched stand-off systems in the class of the Denel-developed Raptor and MUPSOW families are understood to be in Pakistan Air Force service. While these have no direct connection to the Babur, they are another technology source to draw upon.

Ultimately, Pakistani officials said, the Babur is being developed for land- and submarine-launched applications, with a longer-term goal of making it suitable for airborne launch. The Pakistani source said that the intention is to have the Babur deployable on the country's French-designed Agosta 90-class attack submarines, although he noted it does not appear the missile is small enough to fit into 533 mm torpedo tubes in its current configuration. The Babur's vertical launch mode also points to a possible ship-board configuration, which would be an obvious first step for such a missile.

The first reports of a possible Pakistan cruise missile emerged in mid-2004 when a test was predicted before the end of that year. None occurred, but just days before the 2005 launch Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf predicted that more missile tests would be undertaken soon. At the same time Pakistani officials were reported to be working on a new nuclear missile system that would be tested in the near future.

General Musharraf said that the Babur test was a "major milestone" in Pakistan's nuclear programme.

According to one high-ranking military source within Pakistan's Joint Staff HQ, the Babur "is an indigenous cruise missile that has been developed and produced in Pakistan", adding that the missile design "has no 'lineage' as such".

In a related development, JDW has learned that Pakistan is actively negotiating with China and France for the purchase of two or three new submarines. These same sources say that Islamabad aims to develop its first submarine-launched ballistic missile by 2006.

A senior Pakistani official told JDW that "expansion of our submarine fleet" represents the next stage in the development of Pakistan's strategic weapon capability. The navy will have nine submarines following the induction by next year of the last of three Agosta submarines acquired from France.

Pakistan's Babur cruise missile on its launcher and being flight tested. The launch of the missile is a "major milestone" in Pakistan's nuclear programme.

Source: Janes Defence
 
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jjwalker

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SABRE said:
Well it doesnt matter what relations US has with Pak or India & it doesnt matter now from where the tech came from. Chinese officials have said that it is different from theirs & they like it also.
I never seen Chinese Officially make any annoucement regarding this Pakistan Testing of CM. Can you give us the source where you read it?

Regards,

JJ
 

SABRE

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jjwalker said:
I never seen Chinese Officially make any annoucement regarding this Pakistan Testing of CM. Can you give us the source where you read it?

Regards,

JJ
No official annoucements. I have my sources in FO & members of my family in government so its not tooo hard to know whats going on. Other than that I know couple of Chinese ppl who work at counslate in Karachi. Where I dig out info is for me to know & u to find out. Anyways "Trust Me".
 

jjwalker

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SABRE said:
No official annoucements. I have my sources in FO & members of my family in government so its not tooo hard to know whats going on. Other than that I know couple of Chinese ppl who work at counslate in Karachi. Where I dig out info is for me to know & u to find out. Anyways "Trust Me".
Then tell us who and when is that Chinese official you are refering to, and what exactly have they said.

Very strange the Chinese official or state run publications kept quiet and not even a "CONGRADULATION" from them whose so called budy budy.

USA also kept quiet and said not much. I think both China and US already knew what is going on, or they secretly talked about it (negotiated) before the test.
 

SU 30MKI

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SABRE said:
???? Nuke Bomb or Missile?

Strange , you cliams that u have link to high offices and didn;t know the news which shook the entire World and Bring down Khan, the Nuclear Bomb blue Print given by Lybia came from pakistan, and was written in Chinese as comfermed by IAEA that is First Generation of Chinese Nuclear BOmb. Well i think your High offices didn't told u about it?

Well i am not desputing the Claims , that Pak have or not Cruise Missile, they have it.

I am still saying since they didn't provide the technical details of the missile, which makes it hard to about it capability.

Like said its guidance system, payload capacity, etc.......all these matter make cruise missile sccess.

China still making cruise equivalent to US one and Pak already made it ..............
 

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