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Pursuit Curve

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HighSea, while we are on the subject of Littoral Systems, what is your opinion of the Swedish Missile boats, I think that a country like Pakistan would benefit from them quite well, I do apologise if I do not remember the specs, btu when I was living in Denmark we would watch these rather mean and purposful craft speed buy.
 
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http://www.dawn.com/2005/11/15/top14.htm

Naval drill with China next week

BEIJING, Nov 14: Pakistan and China will hold their second joint naval exercise next week in the Arabian Sea off the Karachi coast. A fleet of the Chinese Navy is already on its way to the Arabian Sea to join the Pakistan Navy.

Defence sources told APP that the Chinese naval fleet comprises two ships, a missile destroyer and helicopters. This will be the first combined maritime drill undertaken by the Chinese navy in alien sea waters. The drill is likely to take place from Nov 21 to 24.

The two navies will focus on non-traditional areas. A large number of sailors and officers from the two sides will take part in the exercise in an effort to strengthen their decades-old military-to-military relations and further enhance their professional skills.—APP
 
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Pakistan gets P-3C's ahead of schedule


November 19, 2005: Last month, Pakistan took early delivery of the first of eight ex-US Navy P-3C Orion aircraft as part of a Pakistan-US military assistance package. This is a big upgrade in Pakistan’s maritime patrol and command-and-control capabilities as the Pakistan Navy has until recently been flying three far less capable Atlantique maritime patrol aircraft and five Fokker F-27-200/400 aircraft. In the fall of 2004, Pakistan’s two remaining P-3C Update II.5 Orions, purchased between 1991 and 1996 (a third was lost in an accident), began getting upgrades. At that time, Pakistan had been preparing to buy eight older P-3B aircraft but subsequently placed an order instead for eight US Navy surplus P-3C aircraft, as well as a number of other weapons systems. The contract also includes upgrades to aircraft communications and avionics systems, plus training device assets, support and test equipment, engineering technical services, supply support, operations and maintenance training, and logistics.

As part of the deal, the P-3Cs would be upgraded to the Update III Anti-Surface Warfare Improvement Program (AIP) and Block Modification Upgrade Program (BMUP) standards. The P-3C Update III AIP provides the following: the capability of carrying the Maverick infrared-guided missile; the AN/AAS-36A infrared detection set; the AN/AVX-1 electro-optical sensor system; the AN/APS-137B(V)5 synthetic-aperture radar (SAR), which also has an inverse-SAR mode; the EP-2060 pulse analyzer; color high-resolution displays; the Over-the-Horizon Airborne Sensor Information System (OASIS) III, and the OZ-72(V) Multimission Advanced Tactical Terminal (MATT) system. For self-protection, the AIP standard includes the AN/AAR-47 missile-warning system; the AN/ALE-47 countermeasures dispenser; and the AN/ALR-66C(V)3 electronic-support-measures system. The BMUP modification, meanwhile, consists of a new data-processing subsystem based on the CP-2451/ASQ-227 digital computer and a new acoustic subsystem based on the USQ-78B display and control unit, plus the capability to carry the Standoff Land Attack Missile - Expanded Response (SLAM-ER). In addition, Pakistan has also expressed the intention of adding modifications to the aircraft to allow carrying the French Exocet and Chinese C-802 anti-ship missiles and the French-Italian A244 torpedo.

The P-3C aircraft for Pakistan will be paid for, in part, through US military assistance as part of the global war on terror, and the total cost for the eight airplanes plus upgrades is estimated to be $970 million. The upgrades will be done through depot-level maintenance overhaul and mission-systems upgrades in the US and Pakistan, although the exact locations have yet to be determined. The eight P-3Cs are part of a total buy worth $1.3 billion. Other weapons included in the entire package are 2,000 TOW-2A missiles, fourteen TOW-2A Fly-to-Buy missiles, 60 Harpoon Missiles, six PHALANX rapid-fire 20-millimeter guns, and the upgrade of six additional gun systems. This 2005 delivery beats the initial first estimated delivery date of 2006. All eight aircraft are to have been delivered by 2009.
 
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http://www.dawn.com/2005/11/22/top4.htm

Chinese ships arrive for wargame

KARACHI, Nov 21: Two Chinese Navy ships arrived here on Monday to carry out first-ever joint exercise with the Pakistan Navy outside the Chinese territorial waters. This was announced in a press release of the ISPR (Navy) issued here on Monday.

It said that ships ‘Shenzhen’, a guided missile destroyer, and ‘Weishanhu’, an auxiliary tanker, were given unprecedented warm welcome upon their entry into Pakistani waters.

Rear Admiral Han Linzhi is commanding the Task Force. On their arrival at Karachi harbour, the ships fired a gun salute, it was responded by 21 gun salute from PN Marine base-PNS Qasim.

Chinese ships were escorted by PN Frigates. On the occasion, PN ships berthed in harbour were dressed overall in the traditional naval costumes and Pakistan Navy held a warm welcoming ceremony at the berth.

Commander coastal area Rear Admiral Iftikhar Ahmed received Rear Admiral Han Linzhi. He was presented guard of honour by a smart contingent of the Pakistan Navy.

A PN band played folk and traditional music and children from various schools chanted slogans of Pak-China friendship.

During their stay, the ships will participate in joint exercises with PN, which would encompass operational sea exercises in harbour and at sea.

Main feature of the exercises will be to rehearse immediate and collective response to large scale disasters like tsunami.

This interaction would also afford an opportunity to experience operations with Chinese technology in connection with acquisition of F-22 P frigates.

During his stay at Karachi, the Chinese admiral will call on governor Sindh. He will also meet the commands of PN at Karachi and visit PN fleet units.—APP
 
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Pakistan, Saudi Navies to Hold Exercises
Mohammed Rasooldeen, Arab News


RIYADH, 28 November 2005 — Pakistani and Saudi Arabian navies will hold joint exercises in the Arabian Sea off Karachi from today, Pakistani ambassador said yesterday.

“The two navies will engage in war games and other exercises aimed at enhancing technical know-how, communications, understanding and war techniques, Ambassador Rear Adm. (retd.) Abdul Aziz Mirza said.

The Saudi naval ships, around half a dozen in number, will be mainly missile crafts, officials told INP. They will be welcomed in Karachi with a 21-gun salute.

“We will first do the harbor phase and then go for deep sea exercises in the first week of December,†Mirza said.

The commander of Saudi Naval Task Force, Rear Adm. Sammi ibn Mansoor Al-Rafi, is already in Karachi.

“Saudis are mainly interested in enhancing their defensive capabilities,†said an official.

The Pakistan Navy has sent a number of warships to Saudi Arabia in the past. Presently a Pakistani frigate, Badr (PNS 181), is at a Saudi port. Last week, Pakistani and Chinese navies held joint naval exercises in the Arabian Sea.

Military sources said Pakistan will get four F-22P frigates and six Z-9C helicopters from China to improve the navy’s capabilities. In November 2003, a Pakistani squad held the first joint exercise with the Chinese Navy in the East China Sea.


http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&...=28&m=11&y=2005
 
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does the saudi fleet include the alsawari frigates(customised lafayettes)?,it would be a very good opportunity for the pakistani navy to get some first hand experience of these vessels so that they can hyave the option of acquiring them in the future.
also would the pakistani navy agosta90b submarines be participating?
 
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Pakistan Navy Set To Receive American Spruance Class Destroyer
December 8, 2005: In a good news for Pakistan Navy United States House of Representatives has given its final approval for providing USS Fletcher to Pakistan and other ships to Turkey, Egypt, India and Greece. This bill has been sent to President George Bush for signing after the parliamentary approval. The US senate has earlier passed the bill that will become a law after the president’s signs. United States will provide a Spruance class destroyer USS Fletcher in military aid to Pakistan after President Bush’s approval.
USS Fletcher is currently docked on Pearl Harbor. Ship can carry a crew of 382 including 30 officers. One of the unique features of Spruance Class Destroyer is its ability to launch cruse missiles. analysis show that Pakistan navy will upgrade some of the systems to its requirements specially reconfiguring of existing onboard missile systems to carry ship based Babur cruse missile. In addition to wide array of armament ship can also carry two helicopters.
Egypt will be given USS Raven and USS Cardinal while Greece will be provided a ship of the same category. United States will give Turkey a Spruance class destroyer ship USS Fletcher, while four countries including India will purchase warships from United States. Austin class amphibious warfare ship Trenton will be sold to India. It should be noted the USS Trenton was ordered by US navy on 17 May 1965 and is set to be decommissioned by 2007-08.

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Can anyone confirm???​
 
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Pakistan-Saudi Naval War Games "Naseem Al Bahr-VIII" Begin

As part of ongoing cooperation between Pakistan and Saudi-Arabia North Arabian Sea became venue of a joint Pakistan-Saudi naval exercise, Naseem Al Bahr-VIII, for which a task group of Seven Royal Saudi Naval Forces Ships arrived on Monday morning at the Karachi Port. The exercise started on Nov 28 will continue till Dec 15 in various phases.

Commander Task Force Rear Admiral Sammi bin Mansoor Al Rafi is leading the royal contingent. The aim of this exercise is to enhance level of interoperability between the two navies. A large number of royal force and Pakistan Navy units, including most modern destroyers, frigates, missile corvettes, tankers, mine hunters, aviation personnel, special services group will participate in multi-dimensional activities. The opening brief of Naseem Al Bahr-VIII was held at the Pakistan Navy Tactical School, PN dockyard.

Firstly the SinoPak Naval exercise then Naval exercises with Saudi Arabia nice.
Webby i am unable to find the orignal link
 
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http://dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1013719

French cut for navy on sub deal

Josy Joseph
Sunday, February 19, 2006 02:25 IST




NEW DELHI: If all goes well for French arms manufacturer DCN, it would be building Scorpene submarines for the Indian Navy and a new-generation submarine for Pakistan, side by side in the same shipyard.

This scenario has caused alarm in the Indian security establishment, which is looking at ways to convey its concern to France as President Jacques Chirac arrives in New Delhi on Sunday evening for a three-day visit. Though the navy is reluctant to go on record, a senior officer said, “We will put forth our concerns.”

DCN’s audacity in approaching the Pakistan Navy and offering a new generation of submarines within months of sealing the Rs13,000 crore Scorpene deal with India has not gone down well with New Delhi.

Defence experts are keenly watching the upcoming visit of a Pakistani naval delegation, led by an admiral-rank officer, to the DCN shipyard at Cherbourg, where work on the Scorpenes has begun.

The navy says there is not much it can do in the matter as both are “commercial deals” and cannot be prevented on any technical grounds. But it says it is “unethical” of DCN to have approached Pakistan so soon after closing the deal with India, and hopes Paris will prevent it from closing the deal.

But such hopes may not amount to much. Uttam Datt, a Delhi high court advocate specialising in commercial litigation, said, “An exclusivity clause is very common in all commercial negotiations, more so in this kind of a contract, where the whole objective is to get superiority over your adversary. That advantage is lost if your adversary gets access to the same equipment.”

Datt said that unless he saw the contract, he would not be able to comment on the success of the navy’s negotiators in inserting an exclusivity clause. “But on the face of it, the navy could have technically stopped DCN from supplying similar kind of machines to Pakistan at least for some time,” he said.

DCN is no stranger to Pakistan, having supplied three Agosta 90B submarines to the country under a contract signed in 1994.

The first of the Agosta class submarines was built in the same Cherbourg shipyard. The remaining two were being assembled in Karachi when 11 French engineers working on the project were killed in a terrorist attack in May 2002.
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I've heard about this deal between PN and DCN many times and HAVE FAILED TO FIND A DECENT ARTICLE on it. this article hints only a little.
Can someone therefore tell me what kind of "new generation" subs are being provided to Pakistan if such a deal is really in the pipeline?
Cheers!!!
 
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mysterious

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They are not being 'provided' (if thats how you term it) or would be available for the PN in the imminent future as these new subs (if the deal goes through) will, at first, go through the designing stage - some accounts suggest they would be based on a similar platform as the Scorpenes but supposedly with newer techs added on - and then after everything has been factored in, work would begin.

All this said, if everything goes unhindered, still the first of subs wouldn't be available for induction to PN before 2010 atleast.
 
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Well P.A.F,

Pakistan's Navy plays a big role in defending its contry. Right now our Submarines have a quality edge over the Indian Navy, but that changed when the Indian Navy went ahead with a purchase of 6 Scorpene class which appears to be HIGHLY reliable and suitable platform,especially under the circumstances of India. Pakistan now wants to get its hands on aubmarine thats more "better" in the terms of technology,individual reliability,survival rate, detection and its ability to run quietly . Pakistan reportedly is looking for 3-5 of these new generation submarines. and as mysterious mentioned, it will have a new design so it can't just be a scorpene painted blue with a couple of other adjustments.
Its too soon for me to comment about the Weapon or missile systems. :)
 
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pshamim

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Looks like Barracuda without the nucleur propulsion just as the Ruby class had an alternate diesel-electric propulsion.

They intend to go for SLCB/SLBM capability for sure.
 
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mysterious

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Yeah that 'may' be it since I dont see PN opting for nuclear powered submarines as that would just be a waste of the small resources that it has at its disposal. It just wouldn't be cohesive with PN's defence strategy.

IMHO, I think PN opting for a nuclear powered submarine is as absurd a thought as it trying to put up a carrier-fleet out there in the Indian Ocean to counter the rising IN presence.
 
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whay not pakistan develp its own programe too for defence class subs, getting new and more advanced sub is nessery but it is best for more saffer future to start producing indiginiues subs, because our 4 defence class subs retired and now we have onle 2 standard subs and 3rd is builting so these days our naval defence is weak. To much weak.
 
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hovercraft said:
whay not pakistan develp its own programe too for defence class subs, getting new and more advanced sub is nessery but it is best for more saffer future to start producing indiginiues subs, because our 4 defence class subs retired and now we have onle 2 standard subs and 3rd is builting so these days our naval defence is weak. To much weak.
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because designing a sub from the begining takes several years(even decades) particularly for a country which has no prior experience designing subs or a major warship,the best way is to acquire a sub and all its technology or fund the designing of a foreign sub on a joint venture basis and send your engineers to be involved with the project from the design stage .

this is what i believe pakistan will do,they will have their designers and engineers involved in the project ,whichever manufacturer is selected.
 
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KARACHI: Pakistan self-reliant in submarine construction


KARACHI, Feb 19: The chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Mohammad Afzal Tahir, has said that by achieving self-reliance in submarine construction, Pakistan has earned the honour of joining the elite club of a few countries capable of building such highly complex state-of-the-art vessels and with the acquisition of F-22 P Frigates, is now all set to launch itself in the domain of ship construction.

He was speaking at the Annual Efficiency Award Ceremony of Naval Logistics Command held at the PN dockyard on Saturday.

Admiral Tahir said that the rapidly changing global scenarios warranted a strong navy to safeguard maritime interests and seaward defence.

“Pakistan Navy is determined to equip itself with the latest technology and weaponry which demands rigorous training to set high standards of maintenance and operating procedures,” he added. The procurement of modern military equipment and weapons costs heavily on the national exchequer, he said.

This makes us duty bound for its excellent maintenance to achieve maximum and stretch the operating life. He expressed his confidence that the officers and men of PN Logistics Command had all requisite skills and expertise to maintain PN fleet in fully operational state.

He urged them to further add to their professional knowledge in order to meet future requirements and challenges.

The naval chief appreciated the performance of Logistics Command during the last year and extended his felicitations to the award winners.—APP

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Does this mean Pakistan will make its Next-generation submarine in Karachi?
Is that what this article is about? To tell us that the next-generation sub can be made locally?:confused:
 
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aaaditya

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self reliance in construction is completely different from self reliance in designs,that too in the submarine technology.

if pakistan was self reliant in design they would have been able to design their own warships instead of acquiring them from china.

by the way does anyone have any idea on what is the sensor fit of the f22p frigates and wether they have asw capability?

does pakistan have any intention of acquiring the latest chinese or western stealth destroyers ?i remember that they were interested in old us destroyers,but i feel that this a stop gap measure.
 
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