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mysterious

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

Any news update as to around when Babur is expected to be fielded in its submarine or surface vessel launch form?
 
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P.A.F

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Re: PN F-22P Frigates

dreamwarrior73 said:
Can anybody provide details, images, links etc to the new Pakistani F-22P frigate programme?
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Just search it on any search engine (google.com) and u'll find everything there;)
 
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dreamwarrior73

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

1. i'm quite dissapointed that PN didn't buy the Type 23 frigates. it was a bargain. PN would have a leap in capability in short time at a reasonable cost. compared to the OHP, Type 23 is more modern, stealthier and more all-round capability. the F-22P doesn't even come close to Type 23 but cost more. :(

2. since Pakistan has small coast line it would be logical for PN to concentrate on following assets:

frigates
subs & midget subs
FAC
MPA
 
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dreamwarrior73

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

PAF,
please correct me. F-22P uses the Jiangwei 3 as the baseline for its design right? if its true then F-22P would be an old design? but at least it is a proven design. i sure hope that they don't take that exact design without any modifications or upgrades. also i sure hope at least they make the F-22P design more stealthier than the Jiangwei 3.

any drawings on the F-22P? :D
 
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P.A.F

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

dreamwarrior73 said:
PAF,
please correct me. F-22P uses the Jiangwei 3 as the baseline for its design right? if its true then F-22P would be an old design? but at least it is a proven design. i sure hope that they don't take that exact design without any modifications or upgrades. also i sure hope at least they make the F-22P design more stealthier than the Jiangwei 3.

any drawings on the F-22P? :D
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Here have a look at this.;)

http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/surface/jiangwei.asp
 
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dreamwarrior73

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

wow, i'm impressed with the F-22P. BUT why don't the PN installed the latest Chinese Goalkeeper-look-alike CIWS instead of the AK630??? :confused:

for a 120 mil USD might as well put the best of the best of Chinese product available if not a Western equivalent.
 
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BilalK

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Pakistan to acquire New Submarines.

Pak to acquire new subs

from Shaiq Hussain

ISLAMABAD - Pakistan will purchase new submarines from Germany or any other country to fulfil the requirements of its navy, said the outgoing Naval Chief Admiral Shahid Karimullah here Friday.
He was talking to newsmen at the Naval Headquarters after the change-of-command ceremony in which Admiral Mohammad Afzal Tahir assumed the charge of new Chief of Pakistan Navy.
The outgoing Naval Chief said that the submarines could be purchased from anywhere available best at bargaining price, as it constituted the key-defensive power.
He said the submarines and other equipment for naval forces would be acquired on the transfer of technology basis.
Admiral Shahid recalled that when he became the Naval Chief, the Pak-India relations were marred by tension and strain and Pakistan was facing embargoes.
At that time, he said, the new policy of look towards east was adopted and it was in accordance with that strategy that a deal was struck with China for the purchase of four frigates.
However, he added that time has changed and Pakistan is no more facing sanctions which has made it easier to acquire defence equipment. He said Pakistan would soon contact Germany and other European nations to buy new submarines. Admiral Shahid also said the long-range surveillance planes from Britain and hi-tech helicopters for the surveillance of the country’s territorial waters from China and France were being obtained to further strengthen the defensive power.
New Naval Chief told the journalists the US had also offered to sale frigates to Pakistan adding that both the sides were engaged in consultations and any decision would be made after these talks.
He informed that two new missile boats would also be included in the Pakistan Navy in December.
Responding to a query, he said that he had old friendship with Vice Admiral Mohammad Haroon and he would not let him leave the Navy.

Its a long article, so here's the link;
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/oct-2005/8/index15.php
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I consider it as good news, given that Western hardware is almost always reliable, and ofcourse, supposedly "state of the art". Lets hope for the best.
 
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Elite-Pilot

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

long-range surveillance planes from Britain and hi-tech helicopters for the surveillance of the country’s territorial waters from China and France were being obtained to further strengthen the defensive power.
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which naval long-range surveillance air craft and which naval high-tech helicopters?

US had also offered to sale frigates to Pakistan adding that both the sides were engaged in consultations and any decision would be made after these talks.
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is this refering to the Perry class,*supranace* class?

He informed that two new missile boats would also be included in the Pakistan Navy in December.
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which missile boats?

damn,i need to know this stuff guys...HIT ME!!:D
 
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BilalK

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

I think he meant the U.S, and thats obvious, P-3C Orion. As for the helicopters, according to AFM and Flight International, Pakistan ordered 4 Z-9 helicopters from China with the F-22Ps. For frigates, the two Oliver Perry class which were offered a few weeks ago. Missile boats, I think Jalalat, but we'll find out soon.
 
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shamsi

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

The new boats are called MPACs. They are C-802 carrying FACs.
 
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Elite-Pilot

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

i am guessing that the german U-214 is the best for the PN under the current curcimstances*


can anyone post specifications on the U-214?
 
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Elite-Pilot

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

damn,its belly is HUGE!

atleast 4-5 of these would do the trick, there could also be chances of retirement of others. The PN always has backup options on its side,possible other subs could include:

-YUAN
-BARACUDA
-MORE AGOSTAS!

something like the U-214 is already looked for by many other countries so product development status might be complete at around 2010. But it would definitely be worth it. It could also be quicker if ToT is given to us, since we would concentrate on ourself. The only way to aquire ToT is if Agosta at Karachi has been fully built. Otherwise the PN should request to just order, it would be a wise decision since we dont want to build 6 subs on our own.

The two Perry class being offered to us could replace the Tariq class, which by my view is pretty awesome considering that it does have pretty good capabilities. The 4 original F-22p frigates that are to come in service with us in 2007 is also a reliable frigate. I think 3-2 are to be built here. So the techi boys in Karachi would have to go nuts by then.

The F-22ps are to come with the Z-9c ,which i believe are to be equipped with the YJ-7. The YJ-7 has a probability hit of 95%.

I strongly think a squadron of F-16 (naval version) should be based at Karachi...with no doubt. Even if we cant upgrade them to Naval role, the MIR-2000 in Masroor should go right to Karachi. Then Masroor could go with the JF-17 and F-16(possibly)

BTW there was a crash of an IAF jaguar at Gwailor today,He ejected safely


THE JH-7 LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THE PAF WOULD GO FOR TO REPLACE THE CURRENT A-5'S.THE DECISION COULD BE MADE IN EARLY 2007,WHEN NEW PLANES START COMING IN. WHAT DO YA THINK??
 
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P.A.F

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

Pakistan Navy Receives Eight American P-3C Orion Maritime Patrol Aircraft ​
Oct 25, 2005: ****************.com confirms that Pakistani Navy took delivery of eight P-3C Orion Maritime Patrol Aircraft from the United States is month. This delivery is part of Pakistan-US $1.2 billion military assistance package. Contract also includes upgrades, maintenance of existing fleet of Pakistan Navy's P-3 Orion aircrafts. Addition of these eight aircrafts has significantly improved Pakistan Navy's surveillance capabilities. Pakistan navy is already flying two P-3Cs in addition to French-origin Atlantic surveillance and anti submarine warfare aircrafts. The deal includes upgrades to the communications equipment and avionics systems as well as provisions for training devices, support and test equipment, engineering technical services, supply support, operation and maintenance training, logistics and other related support elements.
These new Pakistani P-3C have advanced submarine detection sensors such as directional frequency and ranging (DIFAR) sonobuoys and magnetic anomaly detection (MAD) equipment. The avionics system is integrated by a general purpose digital computer that supports all of the tactical displays, monitors and automatically launches ordnance and provides flight information to the pilots. In addition, the system coordinates navigation information and accepts sensor data inputs for tactical display and storage. These P-3Cs are able to launch wide array of weaponry such as American made Harpoon, French Exocet and Chinese C-802 anti-ship missiles, can deploy the French-Italian made A244 torpedoes and various other types of rockets, mines, depth bombs, and special weapons.

can anyone confirm?

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

P.A.F said:
Pakistan Navy Receives Eight American P-3C Orion Maritime Patrol Aircraft ​


Oct 25, 2005: ****************.com confirms that Pakistani Navy took delivery of eight P-3C Orion Maritime Patrol Aircraft from the United States is month. ......... These P-3Cs are able to launch wide array of weaponry such as American made Harpoon, French Exocet and Chinese C-802 anti-ship missiles, can deploy the French-Italian made A244 torpedoes and various other types of rockets, mines, depth bombs, and special weapons.
can anyone confirm?


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well, unless that C-802 is running US Milspec or NATO STANAG fitments :rolleyes: , I reckon there is a little innaccuracy in that "report"....
 
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corsair7772

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

The chinese used those giant Tu-16s to launch their ASMs like the C-802. Whats makes the report think that a P-3C could carry a monster like that especially since its designed for more smaller and sophisticated ASMs??

Elite Pilot, you should by now know that the publicly revealed probability hit is always inflated. This is because during tests, companies often use drones or targets which relay signals and electronic noise making them much easier to hit like shooting ducks in a barrel. In Vietnam, US pilots refused to carry certain missiles on their aircraft because they were pathetic when it came to AA combat although they had probability hit ratios of 90+%. Later it was revealed that the tests in which the AAM was evaluated used a drone emitting radio signals to attract the missile. Such utopian conditions did not exist in Vietnam.

Other than that, id strongly recommend that the PAF forget about the JH-7. The A-5s will be replaced by the JF-17 in any case. Also you dont go off buying whichever aircraft looks fancy in the showroom. The JH-7 has electronics and capability less than even a Su-24. You have to buy aircraft based on what your enemy has and a JH-7 will not survive for long against Mig-29s and Su-30s. The PAF needs multirole aircraft, not single role ones.
Also it keeps aircraft types to a minimum, preferably 3 or less, to ease handling. Already it has F-16s and Rose Mirages to be joined by the JF-17 and a new hi tech aircraft. That takes it to 4 and thats a stretch.
 
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gf0012-aust

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

corsair7772 said:
The chinese used those giant Tu-16s to launch their ASMs like the C-802. Whats makes the report think that a P-3C could carry a monster like that especially since its designed for more smaller and sophisticated ASMs??
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because its not the issue of whether its a missile or a beluga whale thats railed to the wings - its an issue of having the rails and bussing solutions to attach them and fire them.

you could tie a tree trunk to a missile rail if thats what was deemed useful - but you need to certify it and connect it to the rail and provide an interface to the buss to get it to sing from the same sheet of music when someone in the cockpit says. "missile away" or whatever equiv is in vogue.

Either way, both China and the US get to know what competencies are in place. For both its an issue of whether the tech is redundant enough to not worry about the other side extracting critical weapons or platform data from the integration exercise.
 
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P.A.F

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=50626

Pak Navy team to visit US for training to fly P-3C Orions

Islamabad: A team of Pakistan navy pilots, engineers and technicians is scheduled to leave shortly for the United States for advanced training to fly P-3C Orion surveillance aircraft, a media report said here today.

Pakistan's Independent wire service, INP quoted defence sources as saying logistic services international (LSI) will impart training to Pakistani contingent which has been awarded a contract amounting to 30.3 million dollars.

But, Pakistan will not be paying the trainers as the US government will cater for it from the 3 billion dollars aid announced recently by US for Pakistan, Rear Admiral Shafi, the Deputy Chief of Naval Staff (Operations) said.

''Pakistan Navy deals directly with its American counterpart under FMS Program and is so far not in picture regarding the contract with LSI,'' the Admiral added.

The US had announced to sell eight P-3Cs to Pakistan free of cost last November in recognition of the latter's role in the ongoing war against terrorism.

''The aircraft are being provided free of cost by the US Navy and the expenses for modification of aircraft avionics systems will be met mostly from the US military aid,'' he said.

With the induction of eight P-3Cs, the existing fleet of PN P-3Cs will grow up to 10 , sources in the Navy said.

The training and support is designed to meet Navy training standards. Another contract worth 100 million US dollars for imparting training is being negotiated with the Army.

Three-fourths of the work for the new contract will be performed in Jacksonville, Florida with the rest to be done in Karachi, the sources added.

The contract is expected to be completed in November 2010.

Three P3C-II3/4 Orions were inducted into the Pakistan Navy on January 22, 1999 after numerous delays by the US due to arms embargo. one of the three crashed on October 29, 1999.

Earlier this year, Portugal’s OGMA was subcontracted by Lockheed Martin to make the remaining two airworthy.
 
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