Pakistan Navy (PN) News, Updates & Discussions

[Elite Brain]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

Just found out that the first cruisemissile test of PN would be launched from one of the submarines. they would be tested from warships at a later date.

LOL......er dude, it was a land test. PN doesnt have submarine firing CMs yet....and the Agostas cant fire cruise missiles. Do some more research before you post such statements.

And if you want to know where it was done.....well, in Somiani , about 2 hours from Karachi, beautiful beaches, caves, bays....and closeby is a major missile test site where the Babur CM was tested.

 

[P.A.F]

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LOL......er dude, it was a land test. PN doesnt have submarine firing CMs yet....and the Agostas cant fire cruise missiles. Do some more research before you post such statements.

And if you want to know where it was done.....well, in Somiani , about 2 hours from Karachi, beautiful beaches, caves, bays....and closeby is a major missile test site where the Babur CM was tested.

maybe u should do ur research before denying other peoples comments dude. and show a little more respect next time.

By the way i've got sources back home in pakistan. this is the only close article i could find so far.
http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=18855
Pak wants to build its own nuclear subs:

Islamabad: Pakistan’s Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Shahid Karimullah has said that his country will develop a nuclear submarine on its own “since no country would give it to Islamabadâ€.

“Pakistan will have to make nuclear submarine itself because no one will give it to us. Our conventional capabilities are less than India. We have no nuclear submarine, and India has held 17 units while we have only five. However, by 2015 we will be able to come at the level of India,†the Online News quoted Karimullah as saying.

Speaking to reporters after a book launch ceremony at Bahria Auditorium, the Navy chief said that President Pervez Musharraf had given priority to improve the capability of Navy and provided additional funds as Navy was neglected in past, the result of which was that it could not compete with India.

He further said that engineers were making hectic efforts to enhance the capabilities of Navy, and whatever India had been developing, Pakistan also had the ability to produce.

On the occasion, he also announced that the Pakistan Navy will soon test fire cruise missile in a bid to compete with the Indian Navy’s capabilities, Pakistan Navy Chief Admiral Shahid Karimullah said.

According to him, initially the cruise missile test fire would be conducted through submarine, but latter it would be carried out through warship.

 

[SU 30MKI]

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maybe u should do ur research before denying other peoples comments dude. and show a little more respect next time.

By the way i've got sources back home in pakistan. this is the only close article i could find so far.
http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=18855
Pak wants to build its own nuclear subs:

Islamabad: Pakistan’s Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Shahid Karimullah has said that his country will develop a nuclear submarine on its own “since no country would give it to Islamabadâ€.

“Pakistan will have to make nuclear submarine itself because no one will give it to us. Our conventional capabilities are less than India. We have no nuclear submarine, and India has held 17 units while we have only five. However, by 2015 we will be able to come at the level of India,†the Online News quoted Karimullah as saying.

Speaking to reporters after a book launch ceremony at Bahria Auditorium, the Navy chief said that President Pervez Musharraf had given priority to improve the capability of Navy and provided additional funds as Navy was neglected in past, the result of which was that it could not compete with India.

He further said that engineers were making hectic efforts to enhance the capabilities of Navy, and whatever India had been developing, Pakistan also had the ability to produce.

On the occasion, he also announced that the Pakistan Navy will soon test fire cruise missile in a bid to compete with the Indian Navy’s capabilities, Pakistan Navy Chief Admiral Shahid Karimullah said.

According to him, initially the cruise missile test fire would be conducted through submarine, but latter it would be carried out through warship.

Wow good , everytime, you don't accept Indian newpaper articale as biased , or ask news from nutural source, now you are giving your source to an Indian news article?

Isn;t fair when indian news paper write any article which goes against Pak then you say its baised , its wrong etc etc., and when it is something pro for you , you are ready to accpt it.

By the way, making Nuclear Submarine is not a easy task, espically a reacter, until China not gave it and next dayPak announce it , they have nuclear submarine.

Going on Submarine based cruise missile, well Pak is still years away from this technology, untill china don't provide it.

 

[P.A.F]

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Wow good , everytime, you don't accept Indian newpaper articale as biased , or ask news from nutural source, now you are giving your source to an Indian news article?

Isn;t fair when indian news paper write any article which goes against Pak then you say its baised , its wrong etc etc., and when it is something pro for you , you are ready to accpt it.

By the way, making Nuclear Submarine is not a easy task, espically a reacter, until China not gave it and next dayPak announce it , they have nuclear submarine.

Going on Submarine based cruise missile, well Pak is still years away from this technology, untill china don't provide it.

read what i said properly dude. i said " This is the only article i could find on it SO FAR".
Therefore i will try to find more!!!

 

[P.A.F]

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Here is a Pakistani source for ya Su-30MKI.
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=117633

PN to soon test fires cruise missile: Admiral Shahid
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ISLAMABAD: Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah has declared Wednesday Pakistan Navy (PN) will soon test fire cruise missile saying that Islamabad will also get four US and two China frigates soon.

"Our conventional capabilities are less than India and Pakistan will have to make nuclear submarine itself because no one will give it to us," Karimullah expressed these remarks in his chat with media-people after addressing book launching ceremony "Sea Phoenix" written by Rear Admiral (Retd) Mian Zahir Shah held here at Bahria Auditorium.

"We have no nuclear submarine and India has held 17 units while we have only five, however by 2015 we will be able to come at the level of India," he underlined.

However, he informed President General Pervez Musharraf had given priority to improve the capability of Navy and provided additional funds as Navy was neglected in past, which cost the country not to compete India.

He said that engineers were making hectic efforts to enhance the capabilities of Navy and whatever India had been developing Pakistan had the ability to produce.

On cruise missile test fire, he underscored that cruise missile test fire initially would be conducted through submarine and latter it would be carried out through warship.

Replying volley of questions, he said that talks during the first six months with New Delhi went on with fast-paced development, however saying that the negotiations had witnessed slow-paced process currently.

To another query, he expressed optimism that scheduled meeting between Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President General Pervez Musharraf would yield positive results and a great breakthrough was expected.

Referring to Rear Admiral (Retd) Mian Zahir Shah's newly introduced book, he informed that the book "Sea Phoenix" had the whole episode of Navy submarine operation in the war of 1965.

Earlier, Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah graced the launching ceremony of the book titled "Sea Phoenix" as Chief Guest.

Addressing the ceremony, he said that the prime objective of a good book was to flourish thoughts of its readers.

The author, he said had successfully achieved that objective with his mastery on pen and choice of words and composed a wonderful and easy book to understand.

The book narrates an incident in such a manner that not only gives a live picture of the happening but at the same time a thought provoking for which the writer deserved of great applause, he underlined.

He also extended his felicitation to PN book club for doing a commendable job and producing book on variety of naval subjects. "Sea Phoenix" is based on a true story of a naval submarine rescue operation.

 

[aaaditya]

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I think related to Nuke sub !! as PN have got the ToT for Augosta class sub, they may well be able to make the design for a nuke sub. I think its about time may be in next 10 days by IN to declare some new events.
:coffee

the main thing about a nuke sub is not designing the vessels structure but to design the reactor and the containment vessel,the problem with agosta90b design would be its very small size(i think it is not more than1800tons) this will pose a lot of headaches in developing both the reactor and the containment vessel.the smallest nuclear sub i beleive is a french sub which has a displacement of something around 3600tons (i dont remember its exact name),any modifications carried on the agosta90b will require lots of inovations and without any doubt france's or china's technical assistance ,the easiest option for pakistan would be to purchase a couple of the latest chinese nuke subs with tot.:coffee

 

[SABRE]

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http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=18855
Pak wants to build its own nuclear subs:

Islamabad: Pakistan’s Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Shahid Karimullah has said that his country will develop a nuclear submarine on its own “since no country would give it to Islamabadâ€.

“Pakistan will have to make nuclear submarine itself because no one will give it to us. Our conventional capabilities are less than India. We have no nuclear submarine, and India has held 17 units while we have only five. However, by 2015 we will be able to come at the level of India,†the Online News quoted Karimullah as saying.

Speaking to reporters after a book launch ceremony at Bahria Auditorium, the Navy chief said that President Pervez Musharraf had given priority to improve the capability of Navy and provided additional funds as Navy was neglected in past, the result of which was that it could not compete with India.

He further said that engineers were making hectic efforts to enhance the capabilities of Navy, and whatever India had been developing, Pakistan also had the ability to produce.

On the occasion, he also announced that the Pakistan Navy will soon test fire cruise missile in a bid to compete with the Indian Navy’s capabilities, Pakistan Navy Chief Admiral Shahid Karimullah said.

According to him, initially the cruise missile test fire would be conducted through submarine, but latter it would be carried out through warship.

Actualy my source once told me that PAk had done huge R&D on Nuke Subs. That was 5 years ago when he told me, God knows from when Pak has been in R&D. After the Cruise Missile test nothing surprises me.

Anyways new news:

US offers Pak two Naval Frigates
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Islamabad: The United States has offered to sell two Perry class Naval Frigates to Pakistan Navy besides providing eight long-range maritime patrol aircraft fitted with Harpoon Missiles (P3C Orions).

The offer for sale "has been made by the US Navy" and the price of the frigates will be negotiated once the US Congress gives its approval, Chief of Pakistan Navy Admiral Shahid Karimullah told reporters here yesterday.

Named after an American Naval hero, Oliver Hazard Perry, the frigates were designed by the US in the 1970s as general-purpose Escort Vessels.

Although some Perry-class vessels are slated to remain in the US service for years, many others are being de-commissioned and transferred to other countries after necessary modifications.

Besides the two US Frigates, Pakistan Navy is also acquiring four P-22 F Frigates from China, Admiral Karimullah said.

The frigates, three of which will be built in China and one in Pakistan, will form part of the Navy`s fleet by 2013, he added.

Since the delivery of the first Chinese frigate will take about three years to materialise, the US frigates could be a good stop-gap arrangement, he said.

Pakistan Navy is also holding talks with the UK to acquire British frigates, he said, adding the talks have not yet borne fruit as the prices are not acceptable to Pakistan.

Source: DT News
Link : http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_003250.php
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[pshamim]

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I think Pakistan has not shown its hand fully. We may be hearing a lot more in the near future from Pakistan.

The R&D effort has been in full swing for at least 25 years. Pakistan has acquired necessary technology calendistinely and then made it the base for its research and development to improve. Due to its adherence to complete confidentiality, it has surprised many who just can not beleve its ability to produce. Case in point has been the Babar CM Roots of this cruise missile lie in a UAV test "Nishan" in 2002. Babar is a direct result of that.

 

[Elite Brain]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

maybe u should do ur research before denying other peoples comments dude. and show a little more respect next time.

By the way i've got sources back home in pakistan. this is the only close article i could find so far.
http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=18855
Pak wants to build its own nuclear subs:

Islamabad: Pakistan’s Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Shahid Karimullah has said that his country will develop a nuclear submarine on its own “since no country would give it to Islamabad”.

“Pakistan will have to make nuclear submarine itself because no one will give it to us. Our conventional capabilities are less than India. We have no nuclear submarine, and India has held 17 units while we have only five. However, by 2015 we will be able to come at the level of India,” the Online News quoted Karimullah as saying.

Speaking to reporters after a book launch ceremony at Bahria Auditorium, the Navy chief said that President Pervez Musharraf had given priority to improve the capability of Navy and provided additional funds as Navy was neglected in past, the result of which was that it could not compete with India.

He further said that engineers were making hectic efforts to enhance the capabilities of Navy, and whatever India had been developing, Pakistan also had the ability to produce.

On the occasion, he also announced that the Pakistan Navy will soon test fire cruise missile in a bid to compete with the Indian Navy’s capabilities, Pakistan Navy Chief Admiral Shahid Karimullah said.

According to him, initially the cruise missile test fire would be conducted through submarine, but latter it would be carried out through warship.

Nice Try....but im going to say this again-----THE BABUR CRUISE MISSILE WAS TEST FIRED ON LAND. Pakistan does not have a Submarine AS YET that can fire a CRUISE MISSILE. PN is looking at a new type of sub from FRANCE AND CHINA.

 

[P.A.F]

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Nice Try....but im going to say this again-----THE BABUR CRUISE MISSILE WAS TEST FIRED ON LAND. Pakistan does not have a Submarine AS YET that can fire a CRUISE MISSILE. PN is looking at a new type of sub from FRANCE AND CHINA.

I bloody know it was test fired on land. i didn't deny that. WHAT I AM SAYING NOW is that they will test fire the NAVAL version of the missile from a submarine. All pakistan needs to do is modify the sub a little to launch the missile . thats nothing difficult for the pakistani engineers.

 

[P.A.F]

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Pakistan does not have a Submarine AS YET that can fire a CRUISE MISSILE

Your trying to say that the chief of naval staff doesn't know what he's talking about. For Gods sake!!!! he said it with his own mouth OUT LOUD!!!

 

[aaaditya]

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I bloody know it was test fired on land. i didn't deny that. WHAT I AM SAYING NOW is that they will test fire the NAVAL version of the missile from a submarine. All pakistan needs to do is modify the sub a little to launch the missile . thats nothing difficult for the pakistani engineers.

any installing of a cruise missile on the agosta90b will require major modifications which besides being complicated also has the potential danger of reducing the efficiency of the submarine .:coffee

 

[P.A.F]

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any installing of a cruise missile on the agosta90b will require major modifications which besides being complicated also has the potential danger of reducing the efficiency of the submarine .:coffee

We'll no body mentioned that it would be test fired from the A agosta 90B, so we don't know which platform it would be tested from. However i just might be possible that the PAKISTANI MADE agosta 90B called Sa'ad might have been moded to carry the cruise missile. after all we do have the ToT for this sub thus knowing it inside out.
Nothing is impossible

 

[BilalK]

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any installing of a cruise missile on the agosta90b will require major modifications which besides being complicated also has the potential danger of reducing the efficiency of the submarine

Not necessarily, assuming that it was Pakistan who made the Babur missile, naturally this would open up the chances of the Babur being further developed for uses on aircraft and submarines. Basically, further development of the Babur, making it smaller and able to be fitted on submarines and aircraft.

 

[kashifshahzad]

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US offers Pak two Naval FrigatesAgencies
Thu, 1 Sep 2005, 10:34

Islamabad: The United States has offered to sell two Perry class Naval Frigates to Pakistan Navy besides providing eight long-range maritime patrol aircraft fitted with Harpoon Missiles.

The offer for sale "has been made by the US Navy" and the price of the frigates will be negotiated once the US Congress gives its approval, Chief of Pakistan Navy Admiral Shahid Karimullah told reporters here yesterday.

Named after an American Naval hero, Oliver Hazard Perry, the frigates were designed by the US in the 1970s as general-purpose Escort Vessels.

Although some Perry-class vessels are slated to remain in the US service for years, many others are being de-commissioned and transferred to other countries after necessary modifications.

Besides the two US Frigates, Pakistan Navy is also acquiring four P-22 F Frigates from China, Admiral Karimullah said.

The frigates, three of which will be built in China and one in Pakistan, will form part of the Navy`s fleet by 2013, he added.

Since the delivery of the first Chinese frigate will take about three years to materialise, the US frigates could be a good stop-gap arrangement, he said.

Pakistan Navy is also holding talks with the UK to acquire British frigates, he said, adding the talks have not yet borne fruit as the prices are not acceptable to Pakistan.


URL of this article:
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_003250.php


Cant we have an AC carrier in the future in 5-10 years after seeing the PN listing in the world navies i am feeling so shameful

 

[aaaditya]

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US offers Pak two Naval FrigatesAgencies
Thu, 1 Sep 2005, 10:34

Islamabad: The United States has offered to sell two Perry class Naval Frigates to Pakistan Navy besides providing eight long-range maritime patrol aircraft fitted with Harpoon Missiles.

The offer for sale "has been made by the US Navy" and the price of the frigates will be negotiated once the US Congress gives its approval, Chief of Pakistan Navy Admiral Shahid Karimullah told reporters here yesterday.

Named after an American Naval hero, Oliver Hazard Perry, the frigates were designed by the US in the 1970s as general-purpose Escort Vessels.

Although some Perry-class vessels are slated to remain in the US service for years, many others are being de-commissioned and transferred to other countries after necessary modifications.

Besides the two US Frigates, Pakistan Navy is also acquiring four P-22 F Frigates from China, Admiral Karimullah said.

The frigates, three of which will be built in China and one in Pakistan, will form part of the Navy`s fleet by 2013, he added.

Since the delivery of the first Chinese frigate will take about three years to materialise, the US frigates could be a good stop-gap arrangement, he said.

Pakistan Navy is also holding talks with the UK to acquire British frigates, he said, adding the talks have not yet borne fruit as the prices are not acceptable to Pakistan.


URL of this article:
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_003250.php


Cant we have an AC carrier in the future in 5-10 years after seeing the PN listing in the world navies i am feeling so shameful

pakistan needs to have defence technology according to its requirements,pakistan has no requirements for an aircraft carrier the reason are.
1)pakistan has no island terrioteries located several thousands of miles away from its homeland.
2)pakistan as of now has neither an operational doctrine nor the infrastructure for such an asset(an aircraft can be acquired very quickly but it tajkes several years to develop the infrastructure and the doctrine of use)
3)pakistan doesnt have the large number of ships required to provide such an asset an escort.
4)most of pakistani navy's intended targets are well within the reach of it's aircrafts and submarines.
:coffee

 

[kashifshahzad]

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pakistan needs to have defence technology according to its requirements,pakistan has no requirements for an aircraft carrier the reason are.
1)pakistan has no island terrioteries located several thousands of miles away from its homeland.
2)pakistan as of now has neither an operational doctrine nor the infrastructure for such an asset(an aircraft can be acquired very quickly but it tajkes several years to develop the infrastructure and the doctrine of use)
3)pakistan doesnt have the large number of ships required to provide such an asset an escort.
4)most of pakistani navy's intended targets are well within the reach of it's aircrafts and submarines.
:coffee

Yeah but India have a few what if PN gets one (Yeah i think you are right PN's targets are in reach of the frigates submarines AC's and IRBM's but Pakistan do not have range to your province AASAM if there were some improtant targets there then what should PN have done to destroy them.At least Pakistan must have something which can reach AASAM whether it is a submarine(I dont think so,so many hurdles in its way) IRBM's or cruise missiles or a bomber :coffee

 

[aaaditya]

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Yeah but India have a few what if PN gets one (Yeah i think you are right PN's targets are in reach of the frigates submarines AC's and IRBM's but Pakistan do not have range to your province AASAM if there were some improtant targets there then what should PN have done to destroy them.At least Pakistan must have something which can reach AASAM whether it is a submarine(I dont think so,so many hurdles in its way) IRBM's or cruise missiles or a bomber :coffee

honestly kashif do you know where assam is ?it is a province is the far east completely surrounded by land at least 1000kms from the sea,there is no naval facility there(it can be reached by the pakistani ballistic missiles),no pakistani aircraft launched from an aircraft carrier in the arabian sea can strike assam(the distance would be atleast 4-5000 kms and they would have to fly over indian terrioteries) ,and the so called aircraft carrier cannot enter into the bay bengal since it would be wasting a lot of time going all around srilanka and will have very low chances of reaching there(as it will be the prime target for indian navy).the best option to target assam would be using irbm's.:coffee

 

[kashifshahzad]

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honestly kashif do you know where assam is ?it is a province is the far east completely surrounded by land at least 1000kms from the sea,there is no naval facility there(it can be reached by the pakistani ballistic missiles),no pakistani aircraft launched from an aircraft carrier in the arabian sea can strike assam(the distance would be atleast 4-5000 kms and they would have to fly over indian terrioteries) ,and the so called aircraft carrier cannot enter into the bay bengal since it would be wasting a lot of time going all around srilanka and will have very low chances of reaching there(as it will be the prime target for indian navy).the best option to target assam would be using irbm's.:coffee

Mate i said there must be something which can reach that province/state i dint said that must be an aircraft carrier.It would be really foolish to send an AC carrier to Aasam because it would be far away from the Pakistani shores and India can easily surroud it .
I said that whether its a bomber,AC,Cruise missile or IRBM i dont think Pakistan is gonna use ICBM to target Aasam ( If pakistan will have in the future just predicting)

 

[aaaditya]

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Mate i said there must be something which can reach that province/state i dint said that must be an aircraft carrier.It would be really foolish to send an AC carrier to Aasam because it would be far away from the Pakistani shores and India can easily surroud it .
I said that whether its a bomber,AC,Cruise missile or IRBM i dont think Pakistan is gonna use ICBM to target Aasam ( If pakistan will have in the future just predicting)

i believe pakistan just needs to increase the range of its ballistic or cruise missiles to be able to strike assam.:coffee