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mysterious

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

Thats all good but hovercrafts and assault boats are only good as far as inland and/or coastline patroling is concerned; better suited for small-scale operations like counter-terrorism, anti-smuggling and human traficking, etc. The major issues like prevention of blockading of Karachi port and sea lanes, etc in times of crisis need to be looked at more carefully with constant upgradation projects being run and defenses being made impregnable. So far, only the F-22P frigate acquisition program is heard of when there is a dire need to strengthen the surface fleet more than that and maintain the edgy undersea capability of the PN.
 

P.A.F

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totally agree myst. I think that the PN really do need to consider at least 4 quality destroyers along with more attacking subs. this would put the PN is a strong position. If possible, more frigates should be obtained from the British.
 

ArjunMK1

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I think the best strategy of PN will be sitting at port Karachi and/or Gwadar and protecting the port installations .If it goes to fight head on at open seas, it will just bet bogged down .
The submarine fleet can make some kamikaze sorts of attack at IN , but prolonged attacks will be too dangerous since Indian ASW capability is one of the best .
 

P.A.F

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http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_002716.php

U.S. To Deliver First Batch Of Two P-3C Orion Aircraft To Pakistan In December

July 22, 2005: The United States is to deliver first batch of two P-3C Orion surveillance aircraft to Pakistan in December this year as part of an arms deal approved by Washington last year, a naval official Friday said. The U.S. approved the arms deal worth 1.2 billion dollars for Pakistan last November, which also included supply of eight P-3Cs at the cost of 970 million dollars.

"The Pakistan navy will receive two P-3C aircraft in the first phase in December, marking commencement of the delivery process for the eight aircraft." "Purchase of these planes is part of a comprehensive plan envisaging modernization and up-gradation of the naval aviation arm," the official said.

He added that a team of Pakistan navy flyers is expected to leave for the U.S. in September for an advanced training before arrival of the two P-3Cs. The Pakistan navy is already flying two P-3Cs in addition to French-origin Atlantic surveillance and anti submarine warfare aircraft. Meanwhile, a team of U.S. experts has arrived in the port city of Karachi following lifting of all military sanctions from Pakistan to carry out necessary maintenance of the two P-3Cs, which the navy had bought in late 1980s from the United States.
 
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P.A.F

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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-08/31/content_3427272.htm



Pakistan navy acquires 8 US P-3C Orion aircraftwww.chinaview.cn 2005-08-31 19:06:41




ISLAMABAD, Aug. 31 (Xinhuanet) -- Pakistan Navy (PN) has acquired eight P-3C Orion aircraft from the United States, said a PN statement issued Wednesday in the southern port city of Karachi.

The title of these aircraft has been shifted to PN with signing of the transfer documents by the representatives of both sides, making the aircraft a property of the government of Pakistan, the statement said.

P-3C Orion is a long range maritime patrol aircraft with an endurance of about 18 hours and can carry Harpoon missile.

These aircraft will be fitted with modern avionics and mission system by Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer of P-3C Orion, according to the statement.

The aircraft are provided free of cost by the US Navy and the expenses for modification of aircraft avionics systems will be metmostly from the US military aid.

With the induction of eight P-3Cs, the existing PN fleet of P-3Cs will grow up to 10 aircraft PN Chief Admiral Shahid Karimullah has termed acquiring of the aircraft a significant achievement, the statement said. He expressed his confidence that the induction of these aircraft will augment PN's capability to actively monitor its areas of interest at sea and add a new dimension to the offensive punch of PN fleet. Enditem
 

aaaditya

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P.A.F said:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-08/31/content_3427272.htm



Pakistan navy acquires 8 US P-3C Orion aircraftwww.chinaview.cn 2005-08-31 19:06:41




ISLAMABAD, Aug. 31 (Xinhuanet) -- Pakistan Navy (PN) has acquired eight P-3C Orion aircraft from the United States, said a PN statement issued Wednesday in the southern port city of Karachi.

The title of these aircraft has been shifted to PN with signing of the transfer documents by the representatives of both sides, making the aircraft a property of the government of Pakistan, the statement said.

P-3C Orion is a long range maritime patrol aircraft with an endurance of about 18 hours and can carry Harpoon missile.

These aircraft will be fitted with modern avionics and mission system by Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer of P-3C Orion, according to the statement.

The aircraft are provided free of cost by the US Navy and the expenses for modification of aircraft avionics systems will be metmostly from the US military aid.

With the induction of eight P-3Cs, the existing PN fleet of P-3Cs will grow up to 10 aircraft PN Chief Admiral Shahid Karimullah has termed acquiring of the aircraft a significant achievement, the statement said. He expressed his confidence that the induction of these aircraft will augment PN's capability to actively monitor its areas of interest at sea and add a new dimension to the offensive punch of PN fleet. Enditem
i think pakistan should have gone for the p8 mma instead of p3c(it would be interesting to see p3c versus p3c in the region),i beleive pakistan has also acquired the cn235 from indonesia which can be used both as a transport as well as a maritime reconnaisance aircraft ,does anyone know how many cn235's pakistan acquired?:coffee
 

A Khan

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US Navy offers supply of two frigates to Pakistan Navy: CNS

ISLAMABAD, Aug 31 (APP): Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah on Wednesday said that US Navy has offered two frigates to Pakistan Navy. "These Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates are not only more equipped than Chinese F-22P version but also bigger in size," said the Admiral while talking to newsmen at the launching of a book at the Bahria University Auditorium. He said the bigger space at the frigate would enable the PN to instal more arms and equipment on board the ship.Answering a question regarding acquiring of nuclear submarine, the CNS said: "we will have to develop it indiginously one day to meet our requirements instead of looking to others."Responding to another question regarding the capability of cruise missile recently developed by Pakistan, he said, another test would be undertaken in due course but it may take some time to make it possible to fire from a frigate.(Posted @ 20:55 PST)


http://www.dawn.com/2005/08/31/welcome.htm

Looks like the PN is very busy these days. With the arrival of 8 P-3C's and now this offer, plus the destroyer USN Flechter, it will become a very potent force.

Aaaditya, i dont think that Pakistan will need anymore naval patrol aircrafs, after having 10 P-3C's. I'm not sure but as i remember the number of CN235 bought by Pakistan was either 4 or 6. But they will be used for transport and VIP duty.
 

aaaditya

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A Khan said:
US Navy offers supply of two frigates to Pakistan Navy: CNS

ISLAMABAD, Aug 31 (APP): Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah on Wednesday said that US Navy has offered two frigates to Pakistan Navy. "These Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates are not only more equipped than Chinese F-22P version but also bigger in size," said the Admiral while talking to newsmen at the launching of a book at the Bahria University Auditorium. He said the bigger space at the frigate would enable the PN to instal more arms and equipment on board the ship.Answering a question regarding acquiring of nuclear submarine, the CNS said: "we will have to develop it indiginously one day to meet our requirements instead of looking to others."Responding to another question regarding the capability of cruise missile recently developed by Pakistan, he said, another test would be undertaken in due course but it may take some time to make it possible to fire from a frigate.(Posted @ 20:55 PST)


http://www.dawn.com/2005/08/31/welcome.htm

Looks like the PN is very busy these days. With the arrival of 8 P-3C's and now this offer, plus the destroyer USN Flechter, it will become a very potent force.

Aaaditya, i dont think that Pakistan will need anymore naval patrol aircrafs, after having 10 P-3C's. I'm not sure but as i remember the number of CN235 bought by Pakistan was either 4 or 6. But they will be used for transport and VIP duty.
thanks for the info

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Elite Brain

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

So...when will The Pakistan Navy get Physical custody of the planes? The article doesnt specify when the planes will actually be delivered.
 

P.A.F

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Elite Brain said:
So...when will The Pakistan Navy get Physical custody of the planes? The article doesnt specify when the planes will actually be delivered.
read the next article;)
 
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P.A.F

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

Another uptodate article.

http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/01/top6.htm

US offers frigates; eight Orion aircraft received




By Our Reporter
ISLAMABAD, Aug 31: The US has offered Perry-class frigates for sale to Pakistan, disclosed Chief of the Naval Staff Shahid Karimullah here on Wednesday. He said the offer of sale “has been made by the US Navy†to the Pakistan Navy, adding that the price of the frigates will be negotiated once the US Congress gives its approval.

The Chief of the Naval Staff was talking to newsmen after launching ceremony of a book ‘SEA PHOENIX - A True Submarine Story’ by Rear Admiral (retd) Zahir Shah.

Named after an American naval hero, Oliver Hazard Perry, the frigates were designed by the US in the 1970s as general-purpose escort vessels. Although some Perry-class vessels are slated to remain in US service for years, many others are being de-commissioned and transferred to other countries where the same are being modernized.

Frigates are anti-submarine warfare combatants that are mainly used for escort missions.

The naval chief said Pakistan was also acquiring four P-22 F frigates from China. He said three of these frigates will be built in China and the fourth in Pakistan. These frigates will form part of the Pakistan Navy’s fleet by 2013. He said since the delivery of the first Chinese frigate was to take some three years, a good stop-gap arrangement could be made by acquiring some Perry-class frigates, which were not as efficient as the Chinese P-22-Fs.

He said talks to acquire frigates from the United Kingdom were over as the price demanded by the UK was not acceptable to Pakistan. Now the UK has sold the same to Chile.

He said the Pakistan Navy, which was currently weak in terms of units, will emerge as a balanced and powerful force. Drawing a comparison with India, he said the Eastern neighbour had 21 submarines as compared to 5 of Pakistan.

He said no government in the past had concentrated on strengthening the Pakistan Navy. He gave the credit to President Pervez Musharraf for his support to the Navy. He, however, said the recovery will take some time as it could not be done overnight.

Answering a question, he said at some stage Pakistan will have to develop its own nuclear submarine as no country was ready to provide the same to Islamabad.

Admiral Shahid Karimullah said Pakistan Navy had received eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft free of cost from the United States.

He said he US Navy had signed the transfer document making the aircraft a property of the Pakistan government. With the induction of eight P-3Cs, the Navy’s existing fleet of P-3Cs will grow to 10 aircraft. The two P-3Cs already with the Navy were at present undergoing overhaul in Pakistan with US assistance and were expected to be operational by the end of this year.

P-3C Orion is a long-range maritime patrol aircraft with an endurance of about 18 hours. It can carry Harpoon missiles. The eight aircraft now being inducted would be fitted with modern avionics and mission systems by Lockheed Martin, the manufacturers of P-3C Orion. The expenses of modification of aircraft avionics systems will be met mostly from the US military aid.

The naval chief termed the aircraft acquisition a significant achievement. They would augment Pakistan Navy’s capability to actively monitor its areas of interest at sea and add a new dimension to the offensive punch of the Naval fleet, he said.

Admiral Karimullah said provision of these aircraft was indicative of strong Pakistan-US relations and hoped that the defence cooperation between the navies of the two countries would further increase in times to come.

Answering a question, he said the first aircraft will be delivered to Pakistan in December followed by another in January-February 2006.


:kar :dbanana


 

aaaditya

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

P.A.F said:
Another uptodate article.

http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/01/top6.htm

US offers frigates; eight Orion aircraft received




By Our Reporter
ISLAMABAD, Aug 31: The US has offered Perry-class frigates for sale to Pakistan, disclosed Chief of the Naval Staff Shahid Karimullah here on Wednesday. He said the offer of sale “has been made by the US Navy†to the Pakistan Navy, adding that the price of the frigates will be negotiated once the US Congress gives its approval.

The Chief of the Naval Staff was talking to newsmen after launching ceremony of a book ‘SEA PHOENIX - A True Submarine Story’ by Rear Admiral (retd) Zahir Shah.

Named after an American naval hero, Oliver Hazard Perry, the frigates were designed by the US in the 1970s as general-purpose escort vessels. Although some Perry-class vessels are slated to remain in US service for years, many others are being de-commissioned and transferred to other countries where the same are being modernized.

Frigates are anti-submarine warfare combatants that are mainly used for escort missions.

The naval chief said Pakistan was also acquiring four P-22 F frigates from China. He said three of these frigates will be built in China and the fourth in Pakistan. These frigates will form part of the Pakistan Navy’s fleet by 2013. He said since the delivery of the first Chinese frigate was to take some three years, a good stop-gap arrangement could be made by acquiring some Perry-class frigates, which were not as efficient as the Chinese P-22-Fs.

He said talks to acquire frigates from the United Kingdom were over as the price demanded by the UK was not acceptable to Pakistan. Now the UK has sold the same to Chile.

He said the Pakistan Navy, which was currently weak in terms of units, will emerge as a balanced and powerful force. Drawing a comparison with India, he said the Eastern neighbour had 21 submarines as compared to 5 of Pakistan.

He said no government in the past had concentrated on strengthening the Pakistan Navy. He gave the credit to President Pervez Musharraf for his support to the Navy. He, however, said the recovery will take some time as it could not be done overnight.

Answering a question, he said at some stage Pakistan will have to develop its own nuclear submarine as no country was ready to provide the same to Islamabad.

Admiral Shahid Karimullah said Pakistan Navy had received eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft free of cost from the United States.

He said he US Navy had signed the transfer document making the aircraft a property of the Pakistan government. With the induction of eight P-3Cs, the Navy’s existing fleet of P-3Cs will grow to 10 aircraft. The two P-3Cs already with the Navy were at present undergoing overhaul in Pakistan with US assistance and were expected to be operational by the end of this year.

P-3C Orion is a long-range maritime patrol aircraft with an endurance of about 18 hours. It can carry Harpoon missiles. The eight aircraft now being inducted would be fitted with modern avionics and mission systems by Lockheed Martin, the manufacturers of P-3C Orion. The expenses of modification of aircraft avionics systems will be met mostly from the US military aid.

The naval chief termed the aircraft acquisition a significant achievement. They would augment Pakistan Navy’s capability to actively monitor its areas of interest at sea and add a new dimension to the offensive punch of the Naval fleet, he said.

Admiral Karimullah said provision of these aircraft was indicative of strong Pakistan-US relations and hoped that the defence cooperation between the navies of the two countries would further increase in times to come.

Answering a question, he said the first aircraft will be delivered to Pakistan in December followed by another in January-February 2006.


:kar :dbanana
india does not have 21 but 16 submarines and another article (already posted in this forum)claims that the oliverhazardperry being larger than the f22p can be more heavily armed.except for being new built i dont think f22p will offer substantial advantages over the ohp ,the f22p's biggest drawback is its small size ,i still cant undertand why pakistan couldnt have gone for the larger chinese stealth frigates(as a joint venture deal which would have been mutually beneficial for both the nations):coffee
 

P.A.F

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aaaditya said:
india does not have 21 but 16 submarines and another article (already posted in this forum)claims that the oliverhazardperry being larger than the f22p can be more heavily armed.except for being new built i dont think f22p will offer substantial advantages over the ohp ,the f22p's biggest drawback is its small size ,i still cant undertand why pakistan couldnt have gone for the larger chinese stealth frigates(as a joint venture deal which would have been mutually beneficial for both the nations):coffee
Actually i think u got 17.
 
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P.A.F

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More PN news.

http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=117633



PN to soon test fires cruise missile: Admiral Shahid
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ISLAMABAD: Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah has declared Wednesday Pakistan Navy (PN) will soon test fire cruise missile saying that Islamabad will also get Two US and four China frigates soon.

"Our conventional capabilities are less than India and Pakistan will have to make nuclear submarine itself because no one will give it to us," Karimullah expressed these remarks in his chat with media-people after addressing book launching ceremony "Sea Phoenix" written by Rear Admiral (Retd) Mian Zahir Shah held here at Bahria Auditorium.

"We have no nuclear submarine and India has held 17 units while we have only five, however by 2015 we will be able to come at the level of India," he underlined.

However, he informed President General Pervez Musharraf had given priority to improve the capability of Navy and provided additional funds as Navy was neglected in past, which cost the country not to compete India.

He said that engineers were making hectic efforts to enhance the capabilities of Navy and whatever India had been developing Pakistan had the ability to produce.

On cruise missile test fire, he underscored that cruise missile test fire initially would be conducted through submarine and latter it would be carried out through warship.

Replying volley of questions, he said that talks during the first six months with New Delhi went on with fast-paced development, however saying that the negotiations had witnessed slow-paced process currently.

To another query, he expressed optimism that scheduled meeting between Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President General Pervez Musharraf would yield positive results and a great breakthrough was expected.

Referring to Rear Admiral (Retd) Mian Zahir Shah's newly introduced book, he informed that the book "Sea Phoenix" had the whole episode of Navy submarine operation in the war of 1965.

Earlier, Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah graced the launching ceremony of the book titled "Sea Phoenix" as Chief Guest.

Addressing the ceremony, he said that the prime objective of a good book was to flourish thoughts of its readers.

The author, he said had successfully achieved that objective with his mastery on pen and choice of words and composed a wonderful and easy book to understand.

The book narrates an incident in such a manner that not only gives a live picture of the happening but at the same time a thought provoking for which the writer deserved of great applause, he underlined. He also extended his felicitation to PN book club for doing a commendable job and producing book on variety of naval subjects. "Sea Phoenix" is based on a true story of a naval submarine rescue operation.
 

P.A.F

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

I guess that there going to test the PN version of the Babar cruise missile.
 

ashblackhawk

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P.A.F said:
More PN news.





"We have no nuclear submarine and India has held 17 units while we have only five, however by 2015 we will be able to come at the level of India," he underlined.

However, he informed President General Pervez Musharraf had given priority to improve the capability of Navy and provided additional funds as Navy was neglected in past, which cost the country not to compete India.

He said that engineers were making hectic efforts to enhance the capabilities of Navy and whatever India had been developing Pakistan had the ability to produce.
I think related to Nuke sub !! as PN have got the ToT for Augosta class sub, they may well be able to make the design for a nuke sub. I think its about time may be in next 10 days by IN to declare some new events.
:coffee
 

Elite Brain

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I think indiaa is already building 6 nuclear subs at a high security location on its eastern coastline.The high tensile steel was cut sometime in May2005 and work has begun on these subs. As indiaa is unable to build anything on its own......this ATV project is advancing using expertise by Amaris of France, Elbit of Israel and the Russians of course.

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Elite Brain

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It has been reported by a french news journal that the Pakistani Navy is involved in negotiations with DCN and Amaris for a possible submarine purchase. Interestingly after the Pakistani Cruise missile launch, the info ministry issued a statement that Pakistan is also working on a 1000km CM and secret parleys are being held with China and France for a new submarine.
Any idea which subs they are looking at?

Yuan ? Baracuda? Turquoise?
 

P.A.F

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P.A.F said:
I guess that there going to test the PN version of the Babar cruise missile.
Just found out that the first cruisemissile test of PN would be launched from one of the submarines. they would be tested from warships at a later date.
 
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