Pakistan Navy (PN) News, Updates & Discussions

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

Sold! To Chili!

welcome back matey, I was beginning to wonder whether you'd been arrested somewhere..

 

[P.A.F]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

http://www.dawn.com/2005/06/27/top16.htm


Joint naval exercise completed

ISLAMABAD, June 26: Pakistan Navy ships Moawin and Tippu Sultan conducted successful joint exercise with the French Navy Units of Djibouti in Red and the Mediterranean Sea.

The ships are presently on goodwill cruise to UK, USA and Mediterranean region.

A number of surface, subsurface and air units of both the navies actively participated in the exercises. The exercises involved Combined Anti-submarine exercises and various air and surface manoeuvres and tactics.

The exercise provided a classical arena in which units from both the navies were pitched against each other and subsequently drew lessons from critical analysis of threat scenarios.

These exercises not only strengthened professional ties between the two navies but also provided an excellent opportunity to learn from each other’s experiences of maritime warfare and enhance skills to deter seaward acts of terrorism.

Upon completion of the exercises the ships have now reached Ireland where they were given warm welcome. This is the first time that Pakistan Navy ships have visited Ireland and it is expected to draw substantial diplomatic gains.—APP

 

[mysterious]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

Does the visit to Ireland hold any military importance or its just the way the exercise suppose to end?

 

[P.A.F]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

probably just a goodwill visit.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4763597

Navy Friends Re-United Thanks to Fleet Review

By Ben Mitchell, PA


Two old navy friends were re-united today after almost 30 years – thanks to the International Fleet Review.

Portsmouth naval base commander Commodore Amjad Hussain and Pakistani naval commander Commodore Asif Sandila trained together at the Britannia Royal Naval College in Dartmouth in 1977.



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Since graduation the pair have only met briefly once before in the 1980s when Cdre Hussain visited Karachi, Pakistan, as a young officer.

But now the pair have been re-united after Cdre Sandila was put in charge of the visiting Pakistani ships which attended Tuesday’s inspection by the Queen of naval ships from around the world.

Cdre Hussain, 47, said: “It was a real surprise. We were at Dartmouth together 28 years ago and he spotted my name on the operation order for the fleet review and out of the blue I got a mobile phone call from him.

“We have been chatting away and comparing notes about what has happened to us over the past quarter of a century.

“It has been lovely and reconfirms the very strong links between our navies and countries.â€

The pair found out today that, as well as having reached the same ranks, their family lives mirrored each other as well – they both have a son and two daughters.

Cdre Sandila, 50, said: “I was absolutely delighted to talk to him, we have similar lives and similar interests.â€

They met today aboard the Pakistani Naval Ship Tippu Sultan, berthed at Portsmouth Naval Base as part of the International Festival of the Sea.

The Tippu Sultan itself has close links with the Royal Navy, as the Type 21 frigate used to be the HMS Avenger before being recommissioned into the Pakistani navy.

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what a nice story .

 

[mysterious]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

Other than the PN's Tipu Sultan, which other PN ship was present for the International Fleet Review?

 

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

http://www.dawn.com/2005/07/04/top16.htm

Moawin and Tipu Sultan

 

[mysterious]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

I've tried my best to dig up pictures of PN ships during the IFR but have given up all hope. Think you can find some PAF? Another thing that's been sitting in the back of my head for further debate is that, since we can't acquire the three British frigates anymore (sold to Chile!); what options do we have in terms of acquiring modern vessels apart from Chinese F-22Ps? I'm still betting my money on a combination of advanced frigates and a couple of destroyers.

 

[ajay_ijn]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

I'm still betting my money on a combination of advanced frigates and a couple of destroyers.

Couple of destroyers for Defending the port??
Are destroyers suited for PN??
I think their Aim is to defend the Port and also protect shipping.

 

[mysterious]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

Its not for defending the port. Defending the port is just 'one' of the different aspects of PN's operations. The use of such words, as 'think' really weakens the position from which you're arguing. Yes, the frigates are needed to form a more formidable defence force but adding around 4 destroyers would pack the offensive punch which is much needed aside from the submarine arm of the navy.

When Gwadar starts functioning a hundred percent, it will be easier to base more ships spread across different naval bases.

 

[kashifshahzad]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

Its not for defending the port. Defending the port is just 'one' of the different aspects of PN's operations. The use of such words, as 'think' really weakens the position from which you're arguing. Yes, the frigates are needed to form a more formidable defence force but adding around 4 destroyers would pack the offensive punch which is much needed aside from the submarine arm of the navy.

When Gwadar starts functioning a hundred percent, it will be easier to base more ships spread across different naval bases.

As far as I know this will be second Naval base for PN and on the other hand India has a lot of Naval bases but i have seen in TV dramas that PN destroyed most of the cities in the wars fought between the two countries.My point here is to sujjest that PN should have more Naval Bases in this 700 KM long coast this will not only protect the trade ruite and also give the protiveness to the people and country its self .When PN buys 1 Frigate then India buy's 4-5 when PN wants to be indignous in Submarines production then India buys that muct submaries that are too much for PN to distroy then what should PN should do and the Carrier only i think the Harpoon on the Mirage or F-16 could do any thing there is a funny thing which i think is that when one harpoon will struck to the carrier then you know what will happen all the carrier is going to drown and planes which will be on the carrier do not have much combat radius

Dont take that thing serious just kidding :coffee

 

[P.A.F]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

http://www.dawn.com/2005/07/05/top10.htm

Project launched with China to build frigates

BEIJING, July 4: Pakistan and China here on Monday launched a joint project to build four F22-P frigates. The launching ceremony was attended by the Chief of Pakistan Navy Admiral Shahid Karimullah and senior officials of China’s People’s Liberation Army. Defence sources told APP that the project was part of the on-going cooperation between the two countries in the defence sector.

The project will be implemented under an agreement already signed by the two sides that includes technology transfer to Pakistan for building frigates.

Admiral Karimullah, who arrived here on Monday morning, was scheduled to meet his Chinese counterpart and the Chinese defence minister to discuss matters of common interests, aimed at further strengthening cooperation between the two navies.—APP

 

[P.A.F]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

I've tried my best to dig up pictures of PN ships during the IFR but have given up all hope. Think you can find some PAF? Another thing that's been sitting in the back of my head for further debate is that, since we can't acquire the three British frigates anymore (sold to Chile!); what options do we have in terms of acquiring modern vessels apart from Chinese F-22Ps? I'm still betting my money on a combination of advanced frigates and a couple of destroyers.

yeah myst i've lost hope in finding some pics too.
anyway the PN admiral in fleet week did undergo talks with his british counterpart so i'm sure PN has a plan up its sleave since the other frigates where sold to chile. anyway a few destroyers along with so type 23's would be great

 

[mysterious]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

As far as I know this will be second Naval base for PN and on the other hand India has a lot of Naval bases but i have seen in TV dramas that PN destroyed most of the cities in the wars fought between the two countries.My point here is to sujjest that PN should have more Naval Bases in this 700 KM long coast this will not only protect the trade ruite and also give the protiveness to the people and country its self .When PN buys 1 Frigate then India buy's 4-5 when PN wants to be indignous in Submarines production then India buys that muct submaries that are too much for PN to distroy then what should PN should do and the Carrier only i think the Harpoon on the Mirage or F-16 could do any thing there is a funny thing which i think is that when one harpoon will struck to the carrier then you know what will happen all the carrier is going to drown and planes which will be on the carrier do not have much combat radius

Dont take that thing serious just kidding :coffee

Kashifshahzad, glad to hear that you're just kidding cuz if someone with even slight knowledge of the actual situation saw your post, you'd be dragged in to a debate for a long haul. :

Coming back to the more serious issues, there are 'more' than two naval bases for PN, you may find it helpful to go a Google search on it. Other than that, relying on TV Dramas, is a bit too fictional to what is required for a good arguement here at DT. Media only reports (in one way or the other) what they are allowed to get their hands on. Most of the dramas and movies that you see in the subcontinent (on either side of the border) is mere nationalistic propaganda and very little is fact.

Yes, PN does 'more' than just protect the trade routes and/or the Karachi port. As I said before, protecting the routes and the port is just one aspect of the different operations that the PN understakes.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence (Pakistan)

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_8-7-2005_pg7_50

Pakistan will get frigates by 2013

BEIJING: Pakistan will get four F-22P frigates from China by 2013 with the first frigate entering service within three and a half years, Admiral Shahid Karimullah, chief of naval staff said on Thursday.

Of the four frigates, three will be built in China, while one will be built in Pakistan. The total cost of the project, to be borne by the Pakistani government, will be about $600 million. However, China has agreed to extend a credit facility.

The naval chief said that this is a highly significant deal between the two navies, adding, it was made possible only because of the personal interest taken by President Pervaiz Musharraf and Chinese President Hu Jintao. He said that the two sides showed a strong political will to undertake the project, further strengthening the on-going defence cooperation.

He said that the four frigates will replace existing ones which will be phased out. He said China will also provide six medium-size standardised Z-9C helicopters. He said that the project is another manifestation of the time-tested Pak-China friendship

He said the supply of warships was part of a contract signed in April between China’s State Ship-Building Corporation and Pakistan’s Ministry of Defence Procurement on the occasion of Premier Wen Jiabao’s Islamabad visit. The contract also involves technology transfer and Pakistan Navy personnel’s training, including those of Karachi Shipyard.

He said that he held productive meetings with his Chinese counterpart and the defence minister. The Chinese military leaders had assured him that the contract would be completed, strictly in accordance with the stipulated quality and time-frame. He said that such deals also reflected Pakistan’s ‘Look East’ policy and the policy of carrying forward its ‘All weather friendship’ with China. He said that it was the first time that the two navies had reached a high-level collaboration.

He said the frigates would help maintain Pakistan’s naval surface warfare capability. He said that purchase of submarines from China was also under consideration. He said that China had made marvelous progress in defence production in recent years and their products met international standards. app

 

[kashifshahzad]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

Myst can you tell me that how much capable India Aircraft is.I know when there will be an attack then it would come with destroyers and submarines etc. But i want to know that if this carrier comes with 1-2 destroyers and from our side there are 4-5 destoryers and the F-16's support from the Karachi Air Base having the Drop tanks (to increase the combat radius) and that aircraft carrier is 2000-2500 km away so what F-16's have to do to destroy the aircraft carrier.

I actually want to know that how this carrier can be destroyed is there any way or not.
I want to tell some drawbacks of Indian aircraft carrier which i think it has

Firstly its AC's does not have much range
Secondly it has to relay on other destroyers to take care of it during the mission.

I think the Indian Navy is only paying heavy price for its maintainess and also spend money to buy that carrier

 

[ajay_ijn]

Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

Myst can you tell me that how much capable India Aircraft is.I know when there will be an attack then it would come with destroyers and submarines etc. But i want to know that if this carrier comes with 1-2 destroyers and from our side there are 4-5 destoryers and the F-16's support from the Karachi Air Base having the Drop tanks (to increase the combat radius) and that aircraft carrier is 2000-2500 km away so what F-16's have to do to destroy the aircraft carrier.

I actually want to know that how this carrier can be destroyed is there any way or not.
I want to tell some drawbacks of Indian aircraft carrier which i think it has

Firstly its AC's does not have much range
Secondly it has to relay on other destroyers to take care of it during the mission.

I think the Indian Navy is only paying heavy price for its maintenance and also spend money to buy that carrier

If u go back to ww2,carriers were either sunk by Aircraft from Enemy Carrier or from a Submarine.

PN does not have carrier so Submarine is capable anti-carrier weapon for PN

Aircraft can be defended by SAMs and Carrier Based Aircraft itself.
Moreover Detection of a Submarine is far more difficult than detecting a normal Plane.

The major issue here is detecting them,Destroying them is relatively easy.

Firstly its AC's does not have much range

Who said u ACs do have much range.
Bae Sea Harrier has a range of 800 Nautical miles ( Some 1500km)
and Mig-29K has range of 800km with internal fuel and 1300 km with external fuel.
And Mig-29 has buddy to buddy refuelling capability.

Secondly it has to relay on other destroyers to take care of it during the mission.

Depend on destroyers for what?
Generally the mission of Indian Navy Carrier Borne fighter would be.
Defend the Carrier and also to defend Missile Boats/Corvettes from Enemy Air Attacks,
Attack and Sink Enemy warships ,attack Enemy Port Installations,to block it effectively so that no other foreign ships try to resupply them.

I think the Indian Navy is only paying heavy price for its maintainess and also spend money to buy that carrier

They have been doing from about 40 years and also will do it in future.
The Navy Ask for 3 Aircraft Carriers.

 

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Re: New aircraft and frigates will strengthen defence

http://www.dawn.com/2005/07/20/nat2.htm

Navy gets hovercraft, assault boats




By Our Staff Reporter

KARACHI, July 19: Pakistan is fully capable of safeguarding its geographical and ideological boundaries and is determined to meet its defence requirements, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, Gen Ehsanul Haq, said on Tuesday. He was speaking at the induction ceremony of three hovercraft and three military assault boats.

He said a significant strength in the offensive punch of the navy had been achieved with the induction. He said the navy was now not only capable of operating deep inside the creek areas up to Sir Creek but also around the coastal belt of Balochistan.

He said that in the prevalent international environment the armed forces must not only be prepared to deter and defeat any aggression but also effectively safeguard the frontiers in peace time to protect the country’s natural resources, thwart any clandestine incursions into its territories and effectively enforce the writ of the state.

He said strength and readiness of the armed forces was the best guarantee of peace.

“While striving for peace, we cannot be oblivious to any attempts at domination or hegemony and our maritime capability has to cope with this challenge,†he said.

Appreciating the role of Pak Marines, the general said that during a short span of time, the force had achieved the highest level of competence and he hoped that by virtue of its potential to grow, it would make very significant development in times ahead.

Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah said the government was cognizant of the needs of the navy and a good proportion of the defence budget was being diverted towards meeting its operational requirements.

He said the F-22P frigates, the submarine construction programme and acquisition of the hovercrafts and the military assault boats (MAB) were part of the policy.

In his welcome address, Commander Coast Rear Admiral Iftikhar Ahmed Rao said that in order to increase mobility of Pak Marines, a contract to procure four hovercrafts was signed with United Kingdom and Thailand-based firms.

He recalled that one hovercraft and one MAB had already been inducted.

Highlighting salient features of the newly inducted platform, he said the hovercraft were specially designed for undertaking operations over water, land, mud flats, sand bars and in shallow water with equal ease.

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I think more of these would be useful for regular patrols or our waters.