Pakistan Navy (PN) News, Updates & Discussions

contedicavour

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Cost. The full extent of Aster 30 capabilities may not be utilised, but that doesn't mean that using Aster 30 does not provide any advantage over using Aster 15s alone. If money was not a problem, of course a FREMM would be more desirable than a Gowind. :)
Yes though said otherwise it's return on investment I have in mind - you would still spend less with an overequipped Gowind - but it would be quite a waste of money vs other alternatives such as more "normal" Gowinds, or a Nansen type FFG, etc

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pshamim

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Pakistan and China are said to be discussing the possible sale of 4 Type 054A/B Jiangkai frigates sale to Pakistan. This will be in addition to the 4 F-22P that Pakistan has ordered.

No internet source.
 
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BilalK

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Pakistan and China are said to be discussing the possible sale of 4 Type 054A/B Jiangkai frigates sale to Pakistan. This will be in addition to the 4 F-22P that Pakistan has ordered.

No internet source.
H Khan also reported 4 MILGEM corvettes will also be procured.
 

harryriedl

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i have a request dose anyone have any recent pictures of the Pakistani Type 21 i am intersted on the changes in its look
 

Aliph Ahmed

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Pakistan Navy News and Discussions

Pakistan Navy has always been the most neglected arm among the three arms belonging to Pakistan Armed Forces. However, the trend has been changing with PN at the forefront now.

A lot of new weopons and platforms were ordered and delivered, a lot of platforms were/are ordered and are in the process of being delivered and offcourse negotiations are underway for a lot of platforms to be ordered.

PN at present has a triad of her own based on:

Planes specialising in anti shipping and anti submarine warfare such as Mirages armed with exocets and P3C Orions armed with Harpoon missiles.

Ships armed with moderate weopons such as torpedos, depth charges and deadly harpoon/C801/C802 missiles.

Submarines such as Agosta 90Bs, Agosta 70s and mini submarines. Pakistan Submarines are the most potent platform among the naval triad and the most advanced in whole of South Asia.

This thread is to provide information and discussion on the current state (platforms) and future plans of Pakistan Navy.
 
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Aliph Ahmed

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History

The birth of the Royal Pakistan Navy came with the creation of Pakistan on 14 August 1947. The Armed Forces Reconstitution Committee (AFRC) divided the Royal Indian Navy between both countries India and Pakistan. The Pakistan Navy secured two sloops, two frigates, four minesweepers, two trawlers, four harbour launches and some 358 personnel (180 officers and 34 ratings) and given the high percentage of delta areas on the Pakistan coast the Navy was given a number of Harbour Defence Motor Launches.

At the time of independence following Royal Indian Navy officers opted for Royal Pakistan Navy. These officers from the list of 180 officers and ranks of these officers in this list are their ranks upon the retirement from the Navy.

Vice Admiral H M S Chaudri (Late) P. No 1
Vice Admiral A R Khan (Late)
Commodore I.K. Mumtaz
Commodore Mahmud-ul-Hasan (Late) P. No 3
Commodore Khalid Jamil (Late)
Vice Admiral S M Ahsan (Late)
Vice Admiral Muzaffar Hasan P. No 73
Vice Admiral H H Ahmed (Late)
Lieutenant Commander Maqbool Ahmed Ansari (Late) P. No 137
Admiral Muhammad Shareef, P. No 138
Commodore S M Anwar (Late)
Captain C S Ahmed (Late)
Commander Sultan Mahmood Malik (Late) P. No 156
Lieutenant Commander Badaruddin Ahmed (Late)
Lieutenant Commander Shaikh Abdul Qadir (Late)
Lieutenant Commander M N Khan (Late)
The Royal Pakistan Navy saw no action during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947 as all the fighting was restricted with in boundaries of pakistan In 1956 the Islamic Republic of Pakistan was proclaimed under the 1956 constitution. The prefix Royal was dropped and the service re-designated as Pakistan Navy short title PN. PN Jack and Pakistan flag replaced the Queen's colour and the white ensign respectively. The order of precedence of the three services changed from Navy, Army, Air force to Army, Navy, Air Force. In February 1956, the British government announced supplying of several major surface combatants to Pakistan. These Warships, a cruiser and four destroyers were purchased with funds made available under the US Military Assistance Program. The acquisition of a few additional warships that is two destroyers, eight coastal minesweepers and an oiler (between 1956-63) was the direct result of Pakistan's participation in the anti-Communist defence pacts of SEATO and CENTO.

During the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 the navy was involved in a conflict for the first time. Apart from carrying out a limited bombardment of the coastal town of Dwaraka - codenamed Operation Dwarka, the navy's submarine PNS Ghazi was deployed against Indian Navy's western fleet at Bombay (Mumbai) port. [1]

The Navy's role changed in Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 when the military was caught in the thick of the battle. With East Pakistan having been surrounded on all three sides by the Indian Army, the Navy was under immense pressure to protect the coast. Despite the isolated incident, the sinking of an Indian frigate INS Khukri by the submarine PNS Hangor, the Navy was largely overrun. The major threat from the much dreaded PNS Ghazi - the only long range submarine - was nullified when it was sunk in the Bay of Bengal in an accident when one of the mines which it was deploying accidentally exploded, thus enabling an easy blockade on East Pakistan.[2] The damage inflicted by both Indian Navy and Indian Air Force on Pakistan Navy stood at seven gunboats, one submarine, one minesweeper, two destroyers, three patrol crafts belonging to the coast guard, 18 cargo, supply and communication vessels, with some more crafts damaged, and large scale destruction inflicted on the naval base and Docks in the coastal town of Karachi. Three merchant navy ships -- Anwar Baksh, Pasni, Madhumathi[3] -- and ten smaller vessels were captured.[4] The total number of personnel losses came to about 1900 and 1413 servicemen were captured by Indian forces in Dhaka(Official Pakistan losses).[5] In contrast the Indian Navy lost 212 personnel, a frigate (another frigate damaged) and a naval plane Breguet Alizé to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF).[5] According to one Pakistan scholar, Tariq Ali, Pakistan Navy lost a third of its force in the war.[6] The primary reason for this loss has been attributed to the central command's failure in defining a role for the Navy - or the military in general, in East Pakistan. Since then the Navy has sought to improve the structure and fleet by putting special emphasis on sub-surface warfare capability as it allows for the most efficient way to deny the control of Pakistani sea lanes to the adversary.


PNS Nazim which previously took part in the Vietnam and Korean wars with the USNFollowing the breakup of Pakistan, the Navy sought to diversify its purchases instead of depending solely on the United States, which had placed an arms embargo on both India and Pakistan. It sought more vessels from France and China. The Pakistan Navy thus became the first navy in South Asia to acquire land based missile capable long range reconnaissance aircraft.[7] During the 1980s the Pakistan Navy enjoyed un-preceded growth. It doubled its surface fleet from 8 to 16 surface combatants in 1989. In 1982, the Reagan administration approved US$3.2 billion military and economic aid to Pakistan. Pakistan acquired eight Brooke and Garcia-class frigates from US Navy on a five year lease in 1988. A depot for repairs, EX-USS HECTOR followed the lease of these ships in April 1989. However after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1989 US President George Bush was advised to no longer certify that Pakistan was not involved in the development of nuclear weapons and the Pressler’s Amendment was invoked on 1 October 1990. The lease of the first Brooke class frigate expired in March 1993, the remaining in early 1994. This seriously impaired the Pakistan Navy, which was composed almost entirely of former US origin ships. Pakistan began to concentrate on self-reliance for its defense production.

The Atlantique Incident was a major international incident on 10 August 1999 where a Pakistan Navy plane (Breguet Atlantic) with 16 on board was shot down in the border area of the Kutch region when it was well within Pakistani Airspace by Indian Air Force jets. It resulted in escalated tensions between the two neighboring countries.

The Navy has been involved in some peacetime operations, most notably during the tsunami tragedy that struck on December 26, 2004. Pakistan sent vessels to Sri Lanka and the Maldives to help in rescue and relief work.


Personnel

The Pakistan Navy has some 24,000 personnel. The force includes a small Naval Air Arm and the approximately 2,000 member paramilitary Maritime Security Agency, charged primarily with protecting Pakistan's exclusive economic zone(EEZ). The naval reserve consists of about 5,000 personnel. Included in this is the Naval arm of the Special Services Group, a marine commando unit stationed at Karachi. The SSG(N) as it is known is believed to number around 1,000 in troop strength. Pakistan Navy recently began inducting women for combat positions[2] apart from the existing administrative posts, becoming one of the few Islamic Republics to do so.


Naval General Staff

Admiral Muhammad Afzal Tahir NI(M) — Chief of Naval Staff)(present)
Vice Admiral Asif Humayun - Chief of Staff (COS)
Vice Admiral Noman Bashir — Commander of Pakistan Fleet
Rear Admiral Bakhtiar Mohsin — Commander Karachi.
Vice Admiral Mahmood Ahmed Khan — Commander of Coastal Areas
Rear Admiral Mohammed Shafi — Commander Logistics
Commodore Khalid Saeed — Commander of North Navy
Rear Admiral Shahid Iqbal — Deputy Chief of Naval Staff (Operations)
Vice Admiral Nayyar Iqbal — Deputy Chief of Naval Staff (Material)
Rear Admiral R U Khan — Deputy Chief of Naval Staff (Supply)
Rear Admiral Asif Sandela — Deputy Chief of Naval Staff (Projects)
Vice Admiral Saleem Menai — Deputy Chief of Naval Staff (Projects-II)

Organization

The supreme commander of the Navy is the Chief of the Naval Staff. Admiral Afzal Tahir NI(M)is the current Chief of the Navy.

The navy has five commands:

COMKAR - Naval headquarters and the only major base at Karachi. (COMmander KARachi)
COMPAK - The fleet; (COMmander PAKistan Fleet)
COMCOAST - COMmander COAST; The special command of SSG(N), Marines and Coastal stations (COMmader COAST) at Karachi, newly raised
COMLOG - The logistics; (COMmander LOGistics)
COMNOR - Naval installations in the north of Pakistan; (COMmander NORth)
COMNAV - COMmander Naval AViation
Other naval bases are Ormara, Pasni, Gwadar and Jiwani.


Ranks

PN Officer Ranks
Rank Admiral Vice Admiral Rear Admiral Commodore Captain Commander Lieutenant Commander Lieutenant Sub Lieutenant Midshipman
Uniform insignia




PN Sailor Ranks
Rank Master Chief Petty Officer Fleet Chief Petty Officer Chief Petty Officer Petty Officer Leading Seaman
Uniform insignia


Training institutions

Pakistan Navy has an academy of its own called the Pakistan Naval Academy (also known as PNS RAHBAR), it is the home of initial training of officers of Pakistan Navy. The academy also has provided basic training to the officers of Allied Navies. The Chief of Naval Staff of Qatar Emiri Navy and many high ranking officers of Royal Saudi Navy as well as other navies in the Gulf were graduates of the PNA. The academy is a full fledged training institution catering to the needs to Pakistani junior Naval officers. The Navy also has its own navy war college called the Pakistan Navy War College [3] specializing in imparting Naval Warfare techniques to officers of the Pakistan marine forces.

Other worthwhile training institutions are:

PNS Bahadur: conducts specialist courses.

PNS Himalaya: for basic training of sailors.

PNS Karsaz: for technical training of sailors.

PNS Jauhar: for technical training of officers.

PNS Jauhar has been absorbed by the National University of Sciences and Technology as Pakistan Navy Engineering College, where officers and civilian students are offered degrees in Electrical, Mechanical and Electronics Engineering.


Special Forces

Main article: Special Services Group Navy
Special Service Group Navy (SSGN) is an independent commando division of the Pakistan Navy. It is an elite special operations force similar to the Royal Navy's Special Boat Service and United States Navy SEALS. Official numbers place the strength between 700 to 1,000, in 1 Company; however the actual strength is classified.


The fleet

PNS Shahjahan & PNS Tippu Sultan with USS Rueben James during Exercise Inspired Siren in 2002.
PNS ShahjahanClassification of ships with respect to their classes[8][9][10] [11]

6 Ex-UK Type 21 Frigates
F181 Tariq 1975/93 Ex-Ambuscade
F182 Babur 1974/93 Ex-Amazon
F183 Khaibar 1976/94 Ex-Arrow
F184 Badr 1977/94 Ex-Alacrity
F185 Shah Jehan 1977/94 Ex-Active
F186 Tippu Sultan 1978/94 Ex-Avenger
3 French Eridan Class Mine Hunter vessels
M166 Munsif 1989/95 Ex-Sagittaire
M167 Muhafiz 1996
M168 Mahmood 1997
4+ Jalalat Class Missile Boats
P1023 Jurrat 2006
P1028 Quwwat 2006
P1022 Jalalat 1997
P1024 Shujaat 1999
P1029 ? ?
P1030 ? ?
? Sabqat (Type 021 class missile boat#Huangfeng class) Class Missile Boats - (Possibly Inactive)
P1025 Azmat 1984
P1026 Deshat 1984
P1027 Himmat 1984
? Hegu Class Missile Boats - (Possibly Inactive)
P1021 Haibat 1981
1 Larkana Class Patrol GunBoat
P157 Larkana 1994
2 Shanghai II Class Patrol GunBoats
P145 Pishin 1972
P149 Bahawalpur 1976
1 Town Class Patrol GunBoat - (Possibly Inactive)
P140 Rajshahi 1966
2 MRTP 15 Fast Patrol Boats
P01 ? 2004
P02 ? 2004
1 Fuqing Class AOR
A47 Nasr 1987
1 Poolster Class AOR
A20 Moawin 1964/94 Ex-Poolster
2 Coastal Tankers
A49 Gwadar 1984
A21 Kalmat 1991
4 Griffon Ambhibious Assault Ships
1 Hydrographic Survey Vessel, SV Behr Paima
-- Behr Paima 1982
1 Ex-UK Leander Class Training vessel[12]
F262 Zulfiquar 1972/88 Ex-Apollo

Submarines

A total of five active diesel electric submarines plus 3 midget submarines, MG110 are in the Naval inventory.[13] These include:


Daphne class submarine Ghazi (S-134)3 Agosta-90B class (PNS/M Khalid, PNS/M Saad & PNS/M Hamza)
2 Agosta 70 class (PNS/M Hashmat & PNS/M Hurmat)
4 (Decommissioned) Daphne class (PNS/M Hangor, PNS/M Ghazi 2, PNS/M Mangro & PNS/M Shushuk)
All of the Pakistani SSKs have been equipped with AshMs which can be fired while submerged. The three Khalid class boats are capable of firing Exocet AshM, while the older Agostas and Daphnes have been equipped with US Harpoon AshMs. PNS/M Hamza (third Agosta-90B) is equipped with the MESMA Air Independent Propulsion system, PNS/M Khalid and PNS/M Saad will be upgraded with the same MESMA AIP system in the near future. The Pakistan Navy also plans to integrate the Boeing Harpoon Block II on to its Agosta-90Bs; and currently the Agosta-90Bs are capable of firing Blackshark torpedoes.

In mid-2006 the Pakistan Navy announced its requirement of three new SSK attack submarines to replace the two Agosta-70 submarines and rebuild its fleet - after retiring the four Daphne Class. French naval firm DCN offered its latest export design - the Marlin SSK - which is based off the Scorpene SSK, but also uses technology from the Barracuda nuclear attack submarine. The German firm HDW offered the U-214 SSK. The News, a Pakistani newspaper, has reported that PN officials have entered into negotiations with Germany for the possible acquisition of U-214 submarines. As of April 2007 the PN announced that it will procure four new submarines to replace the decommissioned Daphne Class; the TKMS U214 and DCN Marlin as well as Scorpene are the main contenders.

Pakistan is also seeking to enhance its strategic strike capability by developing naval variants of the Babur land attack cruise missile (LACM). The Babur LACM has a range of 700 km and is capable of using both conventional and nuclear warheads. Future developments of LACM include capability of being launched from submarines, surface combatants and aircraft.


Frigates

PNS Badr (F184) steams along side USS Tarawa (LHA-1) in November of 2005The Navy's six frigates include six ex-British Amazon class (PNS Babur) ships. These are expected to retire between 2010 and 2020.

In 2005 Pakistan ordered four F-22P light frigates from China in a deal worth $600 million. The first is expected to be commissioned 2009[4] and the remainder by 2013. One of the F-22Ps will be built in the Karachi Shipyard. The F-22P is an improved version of the Type 053H3 Jiangwei II class light frigate, it has a displacement of at least 2500 tons. The first F-22P will be called PNS Zulfiqar, and thus become the Zulfiqar Class.

According to Janes the Pakistan Navy is expected to place a formal request to the U.S. for six Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates to augment its surface fleet. These may replace the Type-21s and act as stop-gaps until new-built frigates and corvettes are commissioned. The weapons and systems on the PN FFG-7 have not yet been disclosed, but they could include the Mk 41 Vertical Launch System for the Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) as well as Mk 32 torpedo tubes for Mk 46 Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) torpedoes.

According to Janes' IDEAS2004 interview with former Pakistan Navy Chief ex-Admiral Karimullah at least four additional new-built frigates will be acquired by the navy. The new frigate will be larger and superior to the F-22P; it will likely have a better air defence system and anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capability; and use more advanced sensors, radar and electronics. Kanwa recently reported that the Pakistan Navy has shown recent interest in the Chinese Type 054 frigate. Another potential option could be the TKMS MEKO A-200 frigate.


Corvettes & missile boats

A hover boatThe Pakistan Navy operates four Jalalat class 200 ton missile boats each armed with four Chinese C-802 anti-ship missiles. The Jalalat II Class were locally produced using a German design. In November 2006 the Pakistan Navy ordered two MRTP-33 missile boats from Turkey - the first to be delivered in 2008. The Navy has an overall requirement of eight MRTP-33s.


Aviation

Currently the PN Aviation Force consists of:

3 Westland Lynx - anti-ship/anti-submarine/transport helicopters
6 Westland Sea King Mk45 - transport helicopters
18 Harbin Z-9EC - helicopters
8 Aérospatiale SA-319B Alouette III - transport/anti-ship helicopters
4 Lockheed P-3C Orion - maritime surveillance/anti-submarine warfare aircraft/airborne early warning (6 more to be delivered)
5 Fokker F27-200 Friendship - maritime surveillance aircraft
2-3 Breguet Atlantique I - maritime surveillance/anti-submarine warfare aircraft
12+ Dassault Mirage V - anti-ship fighter aircraft (operated by the Pakistan Air Force)

Future acquisitions include:

At least six new helicopters to replace the Westland Sea King Mk45.
At least eight new helicopters to replace the Aerospatiale SA-319B Alouette III
Induction of one fighter squadron by 2009.

Others

The Pakistan Navy has one Poolster Class AOR and one Fuqing Class AOR auxiliary tankers as well as two Gwadar class coastal tankers. Three Eridan Class mine hunters are also in service with the PN; plans for additional mine hunters are underway.

The Navy plans to procure a single replenishment tanker as well as up to two mine countermeasure vessels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Navy

Personally, I dont like Wikipedia but I went through it and believes that it gives a pretty good idea of what Pakistan Navy is and is reasonable enough. No harm in quoting it because if I start to detail the PN then I will confuse all including myself.
 
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Aliph Ahmed

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Pakistan Navy has 10 P-3Cs in her inventory as of today which are upgraded to the latest versions as still used by US Navy. Pakistani P3 versions are more advanced then Canadian, Australian, German and Japanese P-3s.

Three (3) P-3s are being modified into AEW aircraft. The Hawkeye 2000 system is designed for operation over water and over land, providing support for both aircraft and surface ships.

http://www.defense-update.com/newscast/1206/news_101206.htm
 

Aliph Ahmed

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Pakistan Navy commissions PNS Zarrar

KARACHI, Nov 26 (APP): Pakistan Navy Ship Zarrar, the first of Multi Role Tactical Platform (MRTP-33), was commissioned into Pakistan Navy at an impressive ceremony at PN Dockyard on Monday. The Attack Craft acquired from Turkey is planned to be fitted with requisite guns and missiles commensurate with its role of coastal defence/offensive operations, says an ISPR (Navy) press release.

http://dawn.com/2007/11/26/welcome.htm

These are 2 Out of eight (8) MTRP33 boats ordered and recieved.
 

Aliph Ahmed

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China to transfer technology: F-22P frigates

By Our Staff Reporter

ISLAMABAD, April 6: Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah on Wednesday said that China would transfer technology to Pakistan for manufacturing of F-22P Frigates. “This project will play a pivotal role in taking the already existing bond of friendship between two countries to new heights,” said the Naval chief after a meeting with a Chinese ship-building corporation team at the Naval Headquarters (NHQ).

Admiral Karimullah said in the present-day complex maritime scenario, surface combat platforms play the key role of the main artery, and the induction of F-22P frigates in the Pakistan Navy will significantly augment the existing surface fleet coupled with the transfer of the technology advantage.

“The F-22P frigate project, while contributing significantly to maritime defence of the country, will also add a new dimension to China-Pakistan collaboration in the defence field,” he said.

During the meeting between the Chinese team and the Naval chief, the discussion remained focused on building of four state-of-the-art F-22P Frigates in China with special emphasis on transfer of technology to Pakistan to facilitate indigenous construction and to ensure positive participation of the local industry in the project. With regard to the indigenous construction of the ship, up-gradation of the Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works with new machinery and requisite infrastructure and Chinese support in ship design, construction and test trials was also discussed. The concept of availability, reliability and maintainability (ARM) and life-support cycle was also deliberated upon. Technical and operational training, which forms an important part of the project, was deliberated upon.

The NHQ said the contract is the first of its kind as the Pakistan Navy for the first time will be constructing and purchasing ships of this size in collaboration with China. This project itself is magnanimous which includes all aspects of additional support required for ship design, construction, tests and trials, ammunition, six organic helicopters and spare parts.

The NHQ said the F-22P frigates have evolved from the existing design of latest Chinese frigates with modifications and customization to meet Pakistan Navy’s requirements. The ship has good manoeuvrability and survivability characteristics with an effective offensive punch. The ship design also adopts stealth features to minimize its detection and enhance the combat capability.

The NHQ said the combat system of F-22P ships features various sensors for surveillance and detection of surface, sub-surface, and air contacts and corresponding engagement weapon systems. All the sensors and weapons are integrated through a command and control network, which is also supported by the navigation, communication and ship-to-ship and ship-to-shore data link networks.

The NHQ said the F-22P is capable of operating independently or as part of a task force in a multi-threat scenario. It is also capable of operating in areas contaminated with nuclear, biological and chemical agents. The frigate is well equipped for anti-submarine, anti-surface and anti-air warfare as well as self-defence capabilities. To add to its capabilities, the ship is embarked with helicopters to conduct anti-submarine operations. The presence of these helicopters will enhance the ship’s operational range in searching, detecting and attacking the submarine.

The NHQ said the signing of the contract for F-22P project is a landmark event for the Pakistan Navy and for those to follow.

http://www.dawn.com/2005/04/07/nat1.htm

Currently there are 4 chinese F-22P ships on order with delivery schedule to be completed by 2013. First one to be delivered in 2008. 3 will be built in China and last one to be built in Pakistan under ToT. F22Ps are an upgraded version of Chinese 053H3 frigate. They will be armed with deadly C802s missiles.
 

Aliph Ahmed

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Pakistan Navy is in final stages of making a decison to order for 3 more submarines under the ToT deal on the same lines on the Agosta 90b deals.

Contenders are French Marlin and German U212s.

It is widely believed that PN is favoring inducting the U212s which are said to be 15 years ahead of Marlins in technology.
 

Aliph Ahmed

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France’s Armaris Offers Sub to Pakistan
By PIERRE TRAN, PARIS


French naval export company Armaris on Aug. 28 made a formal offer of three Marlin diesel-electric patrol submarines to Pakistan, a deal that would include MBDA Exocet SM39 missiles, a Pakistani official said Sept. 8.
The French government granted approval for Armaris to offer the Marlin SSK in May, after long hesitation for fear of upsetting India, which recently bought six French Scorpene submarines, also armed with Exocet anti-ship weapons.

MBDA declined comment. Armaris officials were not immediately available.

Complicating the sale for France is the Pakistan Navy’s preference for the Boeing Harpoon missile. The U.S. government has authorized the sale of 30 submarine-launched versions of the Harpoon to Islamabad.
Acquisition of the Harpoon would be a first for Pakistan, as its forces have only operated the air-launched and surface ship versions so far. The Pakistan Navy operates the French DCN-designed Agosta 90B Khalid boat, armed with Exocets.

French business daily La Tribune reported Sept. 8 that Spanish and Germany industry were working on their offers to Pakistan.

The Marlin would be an updated, all-French version of the Franco-Spanish Scorpene boat and include air-independent propulsion. The sub deal is likely to be worth $1 billion to $1.2 billion.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=2091513&C=europe

Marlin is an upgraded Scorpene with supposedly some Baracudda technology on it; it too will be better than Scorpene and is still in race to bag the contract for PN's 3 SSK requirement.
 

Aliph Ahmed

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Pakistan acquires capability to develop N-sub

Pakistan acquires capability to develop N-sub


Hanif Khalid

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has acquired the capability of developing its own nuclear submarine. Pakistani scientists and the engineers have developed indigenous technology for building the nuclear submarines at the existing facilities. This capability will strengthen the naval defence of the country. President Gen Pervez Musharraf will discuss this matter with the Chinese President during his visit to Islamabad in November this year.

Pakistan started exploring alternative sources and strategies to bridge the wide gap with India in conventional and strategic weapons/forces to sustain its independence and sovereignty. The gap was widening due to the United State’s tilt towards India as compared to Pakistan. According to a military comparison, Indo-Pak conventional and strategic asymmetries until now are not primarily in favour of Pakistan.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=2944

Pakistani nuclear scientists proving themselves being an indispensable asset to Pakistan.
 

mysterious

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Aliph, there is already a thread with Pakistan Navy's discussion in it. Its called 'New Aircraft & Vessels will Modernize Pak Navy' or something close to that effect. Mods, please merge this thread with the existing one. Thanks
 

mysterious

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What is the status on the first F-22P frigate which is to be delivered to PN this year gents?
 

tphuang

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First F-22P is to be delivered by year end 2008 and the remaing 3 by 2013 out of which 1 will be built in Pakistan under ToT.

First F22P is already more then completed.

http://www.dawn.com/2005/04/07/nat1.htm

F22Ps are an upgraded version of Chinese 053H3 frigate.
are you serious? Have you seen the latest photos coming out of the HD shipyard? I can't remember the original schedule, but it's far from completed. They can certainly deliver it to PN this year, but it might not finish all of the needed sea tests by then.
 

crobato

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Actually I just found a pic that appears to show two F22Ps are already on the water. How many did they order exactly? The one on the dock maybe the third then. I'm hanging the pic at the SDF.
 

contedicavour

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Anyway they had better hurry up. All that's left operational for oceangoing service is the 6 Amazons which are 70s vintage.
I'm actually surprised there hasn't been any major acquisition of second hand frigates from Europe or the US. By the way, no news on Greek ex-Dutch Kortenaer/Elli transfer to Pakistan ?

cheers
 

BilalK

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Anyway they had better hurry up. All that's left operational for oceangoing service is the 6 Amazons which are 70s vintage.
I'm actually surprised there hasn't been any major acquisition of second hand frigates from Europe or the US. By the way, no news on Greek ex-Dutch Kortenaer/Elli transfer to Pakistan ?

cheers
I think there was an article where the Pakistan Navy Commander said Greece decided to keep the Elli class. The PN also requested for 6 OHP from the U.S., but a USN admiral said the ones for PN won't be available for another 2 years - this was in 2007. Clearly used frigates is not as easy as a solution as earlier thought.

However on new-built ships, plans have not changed...in addition to the 4 F-22P the PN will procure 4 new corvettes & 4 new frigates. There are reports of PN committing to the Turkish MILGEM. As for frigates, we're not so sure...but I think it would be a multi-mission FFG in the 5000-5500 ton class.

Money will always be a bit of an issue, and we won't know what PN will go for unless they give us a rough timeframe. I would put induction of the first new FFG at 2015-2019, and in that case it could be anything. Who knows...maybe a light variant of TF-2000 (new-gen Turkish FFG) w/o the long-range air defence? New variant of Type-054 like -B or -C? Lots of possibilities.
 
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