Elite-Pilot
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Well said my friend Well said!
that was the answer I was hoping someone would say!
Well said my friend Well said!
that was the answer I was hoping someone would say!
Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions
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Elite-Pilot
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F-16s deal is on
October 27, 2005 Thursday
ISLAMABAD
Pakistan’s Foreign Office said on Wednesday that the procurement of F-16 fighter jets from the US was not an immediate issue for the country but made it clear that the deal was still on.
Foreign Office Spokesperson Tasnim Aslam when contacted by Dawn on Wednesday night indicated that procurement of F-16s was not a priority issue for Pakistan in the wake of the Oct 8 earthquake. “This is not an immediate issue for us. We will take a decision at an appropriate time, taking into account all the factors,†she said.
The spokesperson did not rule out the possibility of a delay in the delivery of F-16s but said no decision in this regard had been taken so far.
When asked if anything had been formally conveyed to the US government on this matter she said so far nothing had been communicated to Washington.
Responding to another question Spokesperson Aslam categorically stated that Pakistan-US deal on F-16s was still on.
Military Spokesman Maj-Gen Shaukat Sultan when asked to comment on the question of F-16s said he had nothing to say on it. However, referring to the statement of Pakistan’s ambassador to the US, Jehangir Karamat, he hinted that there may be some delay but no reconsidering of the deal.
According to sources close to the government, Pakistan has decided not to move further on seeking delivery of the fighter jets despite having firmed up the deal with the American authorities.
These sources say that the financial implications of the deal provided the most compelling reason for putting fighter jets on the backburner as Pakistan government was diverting all its financial resources to earthquake relief operations.
The thinking in key foreign policy and defence circles is that this would be a major drain on the national exchequer and would not send a positive signal to the international community.
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I don't know about this
F-16s deal is on
October 27, 2005 Thursday
ISLAMABAD
Pakistan’s Foreign Office said on Wednesday that the procurement of F-16 fighter jets from the US was not an immediate issue for the country but made it clear that the deal was still on.
Foreign Office Spokesperson Tasnim Aslam when contacted by Dawn on Wednesday night indicated that procurement of F-16s was not a priority issue for Pakistan in the wake of the Oct 8 earthquake. “This is not an immediate issue for us. We will take a decision at an appropriate time, taking into account all the factors,†she said.
The spokesperson did not rule out the possibility of a delay in the delivery of F-16s but said no decision in this regard had been taken so far.
When asked if anything had been formally conveyed to the US government on this matter she said so far nothing had been communicated to Washington.
Responding to another question Spokesperson Aslam categorically stated that Pakistan-US deal on F-16s was still on.
Military Spokesman Maj-Gen Shaukat Sultan when asked to comment on the question of F-16s said he had nothing to say on it. However, referring to the statement of Pakistan’s ambassador to the US, Jehangir Karamat, he hinted that there may be some delay but no reconsidering of the deal.
According to sources close to the government, Pakistan has decided not to move further on seeking delivery of the fighter jets despite having firmed up the deal with the American authorities.
These sources say that the financial implications of the deal provided the most compelling reason for putting fighter jets on the backburner as Pakistan government was diverting all its financial resources to earthquake relief operations.
The thinking in key foreign policy and defence circles is that this would be a major drain on the national exchequer and would not send a positive signal to the international community.
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I don't know about this
Pak Priority is Relif, not F-16s. - Saturday, October 29, 2005
Saturday, October 29, 2005
WASHINGTON: Pakistan’s priority at the moment is earthquake relief and rehabilitation and not the purchase of the exorbitantly expensive F-16 fighter-bomber, according to sources.
Whatever adjustments Pakistan decides to make in the next few months will have Washington’s “full understanding”. What Pakistan needs to balance is the upgrading of the Pakistan Air Force’s capability with pressing national priorities such as dealing with the devastating aftermath of the October 8 earthquake. The final decision is yet to be made in Islamabad.
Contrary to popular view, the acquisition of the F-16s is a commercial deal, not a ‘reward’ of some sort from the US. The Pakistan Air Force required a high-tech aircraft and the F-16 was found to be the most suitable for its needs. The US agreed to sell it to Islamabad and so far the package is made up of 55 new F-16 C/D Block 50:52. The US has also agreed to sell 25 used, but fully refurbished F-16s with the same specifications as the new ones, plus it will carry out a mid-life update of Pakistan’s existing fleet. Pakistan considers the package useful and cost effective. While the new production and supply could take several years, PAF will start enhancing its capability in a short two-year timeframe.
Pakistan will have to look at possible cost escalations in case it decides to order the purchase of the new F-16s later rather than earlier. It may also stagger its order by acquiring the used and refurbished aircraft first or it may go ahead with the purchase of the new F-16s right away. This decision will be made after keeping all these factors in view and opting for the most cost-effective and practical course. The exact cost of the aircraft will be negotiated after formal approval and speculation. Foreign Military Funds (FMF) credit is available to Pakistan from the US, some of which will be used for the F-16 purchases. However, the bulk of the price to be paid will come from Pakistan’s national funds, with payments spread over many years depending on the delivery schedule.
The Camp David grant to Pakistan comes at approximately $700 million annually and runs up to 2009. khalid hasan
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2005\10\29\story_29-10-2005_pg7_42
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Interesting development, means Pakistan was going to acquire quite a number of new-built F-16s. However, I assume the Government will acquire the 25 used F-16s ASAP to fill in the gap, and split the new-built F-16 order into several orders.
Saturday, October 29, 2005
WASHINGTON: Pakistan’s priority at the moment is earthquake relief and rehabilitation and not the purchase of the exorbitantly expensive F-16 fighter-bomber, according to sources.
Whatever adjustments Pakistan decides to make in the next few months will have Washington’s “full understanding”. What Pakistan needs to balance is the upgrading of the Pakistan Air Force’s capability with pressing national priorities such as dealing with the devastating aftermath of the October 8 earthquake. The final decision is yet to be made in Islamabad.
Contrary to popular view, the acquisition of the F-16s is a commercial deal, not a ‘reward’ of some sort from the US. The Pakistan Air Force required a high-tech aircraft and the F-16 was found to be the most suitable for its needs. The US agreed to sell it to Islamabad and so far the package is made up of 55 new F-16 C/D Block 50:52. The US has also agreed to sell 25 used, but fully refurbished F-16s with the same specifications as the new ones, plus it will carry out a mid-life update of Pakistan’s existing fleet. Pakistan considers the package useful and cost effective. While the new production and supply could take several years, PAF will start enhancing its capability in a short two-year timeframe.
Pakistan will have to look at possible cost escalations in case it decides to order the purchase of the new F-16s later rather than earlier. It may also stagger its order by acquiring the used and refurbished aircraft first or it may go ahead with the purchase of the new F-16s right away. This decision will be made after keeping all these factors in view and opting for the most cost-effective and practical course. The exact cost of the aircraft will be negotiated after formal approval and speculation. Foreign Military Funds (FMF) credit is available to Pakistan from the US, some of which will be used for the F-16 purchases. However, the bulk of the price to be paid will come from Pakistan’s national funds, with payments spread over many years depending on the delivery schedule.
The Camp David grant to Pakistan comes at approximately $700 million annually and runs up to 2009. khalid hasan
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2005\10\29\story_29-10-2005_pg7_42
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Interesting development, means Pakistan was going to acquire quite a number of new-built F-16s. However, I assume the Government will acquire the 25 used F-16s ASAP to fill in the gap, and split the new-built F-16 order into several orders.
Elite-Pilot
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2 questions
What radar are they fitted with and whats the range?(new ones and old ones)
Are they coming with missiles or not?(if so which one?)
2 questions
What radar are they fitted with and whats the range?(new ones and old ones)
Are they coming with missiles or not?(if so which one?)
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I don't think they'll reveal any of that until the deal is completely is finalized. The main concern is that we know what the PAF was going to buy before the earthquake, and IMO, I think the deal will be carried out once the media cools down.
I don't think they'll reveal any of that until the deal is completely is finalized. The main concern is that we know what the PAF was going to buy before the earthquake, and IMO, I think the deal will be carried out once the media cools down.
fieldmarshal
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Pakistan receives first of six C-130
LINK http://dawn.com/2005/11/01/top10.htm
By Anwar Iqbal
WASHINGTON, Oct 31: First of the six C-130 military cargo planes that Pakistan is buying from the US left for Islamabad on Monday with relief goods for earthquake survivors, officials said.
“This is the first of the six but we do not have a schedule for other deliveries,” Pakistan’s defence attaché in Washington Brig Khawar Hanif told Dawn. “Right now, our top priority is the earthquake and the PAF is heavily involved in relief operations.”
Pakistan may also delay a deal to buy F-16 fighter jets from the United States because of the devastating earthquake that killed more than 50,000 people.
In August 2003, the US had agreed to sell six C-130 military cargo planes to Pakistan as part of defence assistance committed under the $3 billion aid granted by US President George W. Bush during his Camp David meeting with President Gen Pervez Musharraf earlier that year.
Under the agreement, US aircraft firm Lockheed Martin was to sell six new C-130 planes to Pakistan at an estimated cost of $75 million. The company had committed to start handing over the planes to Pakistan by the end of 2005.
An agreement, signed by the then US ambassador in Islamabad, Nancy Powell, and a senior finance ministry official of Pakistan, also provided for complete upgradation of cockpit avionics for the current Pakistan Air Force C-130 fleet.
The C-130 Hercules primarily performs the tactical portion of the airlift mission. It is capable of operating from rough dirt strips and is the prime transport for air dropping troops and equipment.
"Brand new C-130 means C-130J, which is good. N if i am not wrong apart from this PAF is also to recieve secondhand refurbished C-130, so all in all things are moving in the right direction".
Pakistan receives first of six C-130
LINK http://dawn.com/2005/11/01/top10.htm
By Anwar Iqbal
WASHINGTON, Oct 31: First of the six C-130 military cargo planes that Pakistan is buying from the US left for Islamabad on Monday with relief goods for earthquake survivors, officials said.
“This is the first of the six but we do not have a schedule for other deliveries,” Pakistan’s defence attaché in Washington Brig Khawar Hanif told Dawn. “Right now, our top priority is the earthquake and the PAF is heavily involved in relief operations.”
Pakistan may also delay a deal to buy F-16 fighter jets from the United States because of the devastating earthquake that killed more than 50,000 people.
In August 2003, the US had agreed to sell six C-130 military cargo planes to Pakistan as part of defence assistance committed under the $3 billion aid granted by US President George W. Bush during his Camp David meeting with President Gen Pervez Musharraf earlier that year.
Under the agreement, US aircraft firm Lockheed Martin was to sell six new C-130 planes to Pakistan at an estimated cost of $75 million. The company had committed to start handing over the planes to Pakistan by the end of 2005.
An agreement, signed by the then US ambassador in Islamabad, Nancy Powell, and a senior finance ministry official of Pakistan, also provided for complete upgradation of cockpit avionics for the current Pakistan Air Force C-130 fleet.
The C-130 Hercules primarily performs the tactical portion of the airlift mission. It is capable of operating from rough dirt strips and is the prime transport for air dropping troops and equipment.
"Brand new C-130 means C-130J, which is good. N if i am not wrong apart from this PAF is also to recieve secondhand refurbished C-130, so all in all things are moving in the right direction".
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Air power is supposed to be flexible. So what happens if you have to shift desert sector squadrons to the north?
Regarding a question by Elite Pilot, the PAF is getting Aim-9Ms and nothin beyond that. Not even an ancient Aim-7F MRAAM. So itll have to wait for the SD-10 as the AMRAAM aint comin.
Besides C-130s, the PAF is getting upto 12 CN-235s. An interesting feature of theirs is that they have low detectability rating making them suitable for covert ops. Perhaps the PAF plans to rerun its anti-airbase commandoe raids of 1965.
P.A.F said:It would be ideal to have different sqn with different camouflages depending on what type of mission they are trained to fly. Also where the squadron is based. if in the desert area then desert cam and if in the north then multi cam.
Air power is supposed to be flexible. So what happens if you have to shift desert sector squadrons to the north?
Regarding a question by Elite Pilot, the PAF is getting Aim-9Ms and nothin beyond that. Not even an ancient Aim-7F MRAAM. So itll have to wait for the SD-10 as the AMRAAM aint comin.
Besides C-130s, the PAF is getting upto 12 CN-235s. An interesting feature of theirs is that they have low detectability rating making them suitable for covert ops. Perhaps the PAF plans to rerun its anti-airbase commandoe raids of 1965.
fieldmarshal
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I think this report is some what wrong as i have made a few inquiries and it seems that PAF was never interusted in the Juliat variant of the c-130 they always wanted the Echo variant of the c-130 and the planes recieved are the echo variants. They have recieved engine upgrades so that would make them in all practicle purposes H variant
fieldmarshal said:
I think this report is some what wrong as i have made a few inquiries and it seems that PAF was never interusted in the Juliat variant of the c-130 they always wanted the Echo variant of the c-130 and the planes recieved are the echo variants. They have recieved engine upgrades so that would make them in all practicle purposes H variant
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ISLAMABAD, Nov 3: The government is reviewing its F-16 fighter jets deal with the United States in the wake of the growing financial pressure to fund earthquake-related rescue and relief operations, well placed defence and diplomatic sources said.
Pakistan is currently considering two options — either to buy fewer than the originally planned 75 planes or to import a previous version of the aircraft from a European country.
It is believed that Belgium is being looked at as a possible market for purchase of an earlier version of F-16s. A military source indicated that an earlier version of F-16 deal could cost one-sixth of the price that Pakistan has agreed to pay to the US for the state-of-the-art F-16 fighter jets.
A decision may be taken soon to put the American F-16 package on hold.
On Monday, President Gen Pervez Musharraf had indicated Dawn that the deal was being re-examined. The president specifically stated that the government was considering purchase of fewer F-16 fighter jets from the US.
Asked if the government was thinking of deferring procurement of F-16 fighter jets from the US, the president had said: “We will not buy all.” The president, however, did not specify the number.
Pakistan was planning to buy 75 F-16 aircraft from the US and the deal had almost been firmed up shortly before the Oct 8 earthquake that caused massive loss of life and property.
When contacted for comments on the F-16 deal with the US, Foreign Office Spokesperson Tasnim Aslam said on Thursday: “So far no decision has been taken on this subject,” indicating that a review of available options was still in progress.
The spokesperson had said last week that the procurement of jets from the US was not a priority issue for Pakistan in the wake of devastating earthquake. “This is not an immediate issue for us. We will take a decision at an appropriate time, taking into account all the factors,” she said.
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It seems Pakistan is making a sensible decission. At present, we can get older F-16 to fill in the gap and after 3-4 years we can go for a high tech fighter from europe(third fighter, already indicated) when our economic conditions get better.
http://www.dawn.com/2005/11/04/top2.htm
ISLAMABAD, Nov 3: The government is reviewing its F-16 fighter jets deal with the United States in the wake of the growing financial pressure to fund earthquake-related rescue and relief operations, well placed defence and diplomatic sources said.
Pakistan is currently considering two options — either to buy fewer than the originally planned 75 planes or to import a previous version of the aircraft from a European country.
It is believed that Belgium is being looked at as a possible market for purchase of an earlier version of F-16s. A military source indicated that an earlier version of F-16 deal could cost one-sixth of the price that Pakistan has agreed to pay to the US for the state-of-the-art F-16 fighter jets.
A decision may be taken soon to put the American F-16 package on hold.
On Monday, President Gen Pervez Musharraf had indicated Dawn that the deal was being re-examined. The president specifically stated that the government was considering purchase of fewer F-16 fighter jets from the US.
Asked if the government was thinking of deferring procurement of F-16 fighter jets from the US, the president had said: “We will not buy all.” The president, however, did not specify the number.
Pakistan was planning to buy 75 F-16 aircraft from the US and the deal had almost been firmed up shortly before the Oct 8 earthquake that caused massive loss of life and property.
When contacted for comments on the F-16 deal with the US, Foreign Office Spokesperson Tasnim Aslam said on Thursday: “So far no decision has been taken on this subject,” indicating that a review of available options was still in progress.
The spokesperson had said last week that the procurement of jets from the US was not a priority issue for Pakistan in the wake of devastating earthquake. “This is not an immediate issue for us. We will take a decision at an appropriate time, taking into account all the factors,” she said.
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It seems Pakistan is making a sensible decission. At present, we can get older F-16 to fill in the gap and after 3-4 years we can go for a high tech fighter from europe(third fighter, already indicated) when our economic conditions get better.
http://www.dawn.com/2005/11/04/top2.htm
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i believe it will be advantageous for pakistan to delay the f-16 acquisition programme by a couple of years beacause:
1)they will not be facing any financial burden
2)they can choose the optimal configuration ,depending on the aircrafts acquired by their neighbours and their configurations.
3)i believe pakistan should at present concentrate on upgrading its existing f-16's and then they can purchase the f-16's(advanced version's),depending on the aircraft threats they are likely to face in the subcontinent two years from now.
lakhani said:
i believe it will be advantageous for pakistan to delay the f-16 acquisition programme by a couple of years beacause:
1)they will not be facing any financial burden
2)they can choose the optimal configuration ,depending on the aircrafts acquired by their neighbours and their configurations.
3)i believe pakistan should at present concentrate on upgrading its existing f-16's and then they can purchase the f-16's(advanced version's),depending on the aircraft threats they are likely to face in the subcontinent two years from now.
kashifshahzad
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Musharraf Postpones F-16 Purchase to Provide More Quake Relief
VoA
Fri, 4 Nov 2005, 12:12
Pakistan says it will postpone the purchase of F-16 fighter jets from the United States in order to provide more relief to victims of the devastating October eighth earthquake.
President Pervez Musharraf made the announcement during a tour of quake-hit areas Friday. He said the government wants to provide maximum relief and reconstruction efforts.
General Musharraf had earlier said his country did not plan to cut into its defense budget to increase funds for relief efforts.
On Thursday, Jordan's Queen Rania, speaking on behalf of the United Nations children's fund, called for help to immunize Pakistani children against disease.
Quake survivors marked a normally joyous Muslim festival of Eid-al-Fitr today with somber prayers amid ruins and debris, and visits to the graves of their relatives who died in the catastrophe.
Pakistan this week raised its death toll from the quake to more than 73,000.
URL of this article:
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_004014.php
This is more likeable F-16s must be postponed for a year or more i didnt knew where to post this article, in the pakistan's relief efforts or here.
Musharraf Postpones F-16 Purchase to Provide More Quake Relief
VoA
Fri, 4 Nov 2005, 12:12
Pakistan says it will postpone the purchase of F-16 fighter jets from the United States in order to provide more relief to victims of the devastating October eighth earthquake.
President Pervez Musharraf made the announcement during a tour of quake-hit areas Friday. He said the government wants to provide maximum relief and reconstruction efforts.
General Musharraf had earlier said his country did not plan to cut into its defense budget to increase funds for relief efforts.
On Thursday, Jordan's Queen Rania, speaking on behalf of the United Nations children's fund, called for help to immunize Pakistani children against disease.
Quake survivors marked a normally joyous Muslim festival of Eid-al-Fitr today with somber prayers amid ruins and debris, and visits to the graves of their relatives who died in the catastrophe.
Pakistan this week raised its death toll from the quake to more than 73,000.
URL of this article:
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_004014.php
This is more likeable F-16s must be postponed for a year or more i didnt knew where to post this article, in the pakistan's relief efforts or here.
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I believe that there will be no delays in upgrading of older f-16s. It will start soon after we get those 2 free f-16s in december.
It is my strong believe, after listening the comments of musharraf on T.V that there might be few months delay in f-16 deal but Pakistan will not go for all newer f-16s, we will be going for combination of older and newer f-16s(even only older f-16s) in order to fill the gap , as our neighbour is making heavy military purchases on which we cant trust. And then after 4-5 yrs we'll be going for a high-tech fighter(3rd fighter) in order to match the the indian su-30MKI or even an higher jet.
musharraf said that defence and releif both have their importance. yes, relief has more importance but he'll not completely ignore the defence.
aaaditya said:do you if the pakistani governement has set any time frame for the acquisition of the f-16's or when the existing f-16's are to be upgraded?
I believe that there will be no delays in upgrading of older f-16s. It will start soon after we get those 2 free f-16s in december.
It is my strong believe, after listening the comments of musharraf on T.V that there might be few months delay in f-16 deal but Pakistan will not go for all newer f-16s, we will be going for combination of older and newer f-16s(even only older f-16s) in order to fill the gap , as our neighbour is making heavy military purchases on which we cant trust. And then after 4-5 yrs we'll be going for a high-tech fighter(3rd fighter) in order to match the the indian su-30MKI or even an higher jet.
musharraf said that defence and releif both have their importance. yes, relief has more importance but he'll not completely ignore the defence.
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after 4-5 years it will be too late for you to reduce the advantage that your neighbour enjoys.
pakistan will have to make a decision on its airforce structure either now or next year.
if after 4 to 5 years pakistan places an order for a 4th generation fighter aircraft ,it will take several more years for the lead fighter to be produced for pakistan(unless offcourse pakistan is the launch customer).
most modern 4th generation fighters (except for rafale and j10)have their order books full,the rafale,can be expected to get more expensive with the passage of time(due to global economy and inflation).
so pakistan has to make a decision now and pay a token advance for the purchase of the fighter(and include a clause in the contract that the price will be fixed for a certain period of time),this is what one of your neighbours did and makes sound buisness sense.
after 4-5 years it will be too late for you to reduce the advantage that your neighbour enjoys.
pakistan will have to make a decision on its airforce structure either now or next year.
if after 4 to 5 years pakistan places an order for a 4th generation fighter aircraft ,it will take several more years for the lead fighter to be produced for pakistan(unless offcourse pakistan is the launch customer).
most modern 4th generation fighters (except for rafale and j10)have their order books full,the rafale,can be expected to get more expensive with the passage of time(due to global economy and inflation).
so pakistan has to make a decision now and pay a token advance for the purchase of the fighter(and include a clause in the contract that the price will be fixed for a certain period of time),this is what one of your neighbours did and makes sound buisness sense.
kashifshahzad
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UN Hails Pakistan's Decision to Postpone F-16 Purchase
VoA
Sat, 5 Nov 2005, 12:14
The United Nations has hailed a decision by Pakistan to postpone the purchase of F-16 fighter jets from Washington in order to provide more relief to earthquake victims as the Himalayan winter approaches.
U.N. Emergency Coordinator Jan Vandemoortele says such moves are helpful as U.N. officials work hard to secure more funding for humanitarian aid for victims of the quake. Officials say hundreds of thousands risk death or illness without tents, food and other supplies.
Friday, British Cabinet minister Hilary Benn said the world's response to the large-scale disaster was not enough.
Earlier, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf criticized the level of international aid, saying more was given to victims of the tsunami in Asia and Hurricane Katrina in the United States.
More than 73,000 Pakistanis died and more than three million people have been left homeless by the October 8 earthquake.
URL of this article:
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_004015.php
Just what i wanted the funds must be diverted but not much.There are a lot of people which can adopt a whole family and can pay the money to the Govt and then this can be given to the affected families
UN Hails Pakistan's Decision to Postpone F-16 Purchase
VoA
Sat, 5 Nov 2005, 12:14
The United Nations has hailed a decision by Pakistan to postpone the purchase of F-16 fighter jets from Washington in order to provide more relief to earthquake victims as the Himalayan winter approaches.
U.N. Emergency Coordinator Jan Vandemoortele says such moves are helpful as U.N. officials work hard to secure more funding for humanitarian aid for victims of the quake. Officials say hundreds of thousands risk death or illness without tents, food and other supplies.
Friday, British Cabinet minister Hilary Benn said the world's response to the large-scale disaster was not enough.
Earlier, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf criticized the level of international aid, saying more was given to victims of the tsunami in Asia and Hurricane Katrina in the United States.
More than 73,000 Pakistanis died and more than three million people have been left homeless by the October 8 earthquake.
URL of this article:
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_004015.php
Just what i wanted the funds must be diverted but not much.There are a lot of people which can adopt a whole family and can pay the money to the Govt and then this can be given to the affected families
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Nation comes 1st my friend. We have people to feed, cloth & shelter. If there are no people than whom would these fighter jets defend. People are the priority.
Anyways read again. What he ment was to induct 3 to 4 years to induct "4th Gen" fighter, this does not include F-16s. They will be only delayed for 5 to 6 months. My personal believe is that PAF will adopt 4th gen fighter in 2 to 3 years rather than 3 to 4.
Decision has been made, steps have been taken & submitted to thee Prime Minister. PAF officials few months back announced that 4th Gen fighters are available from European countries for Pakistan & decision would be made after practical evaluation & it seems that evaluation has some what ended now.
aaaditya said:
Nation comes 1st my friend. We have people to feed, cloth & shelter. If there are no people than whom would these fighter jets defend. People are the priority.
Anyways read again. What he ment was to induct 3 to 4 years to induct "4th Gen" fighter, this does not include F-16s. They will be only delayed for 5 to 6 months. My personal believe is that PAF will adopt 4th gen fighter in 2 to 3 years rather than 3 to 4.
Decision has been made, steps have been taken & submitted to thee Prime Minister. PAF officials few months back announced that 4th Gen fighters are available from European countries for Pakistan & decision would be made after practical evaluation & it seems that evaluation has some what ended now.
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has pakistan selected the third 4th gen fighter?which one is it?has the price negotiations been completed?operational doctrine prepared?has the order been placed?
price negotiations in most case takes quite some time,and then the order has to be placed ,most current 4th gen aircrafts (except for rafale and j10) are currently having their order books full,then after aquiring the aircrafts,training and preparation of the operational doctrine alone take another year,the 3 to 4 year time period is highly unlikely,also the quake hit pakistan at a very wrong time,the economy will show the adverse impact of the quake next year.so if pakistan goes for a third 4th gen fighter in the next 3to 4 years it will put some preasure on the economy.
i believe the best option for pakistan would be to go for j10.the next will be gripen.(i believe gripen costs about 35million dollars per aircraft so a 60 aircraft order will cost around 2.1 billion dollars plus the weapons and the cost of tot)also pakistan has neither the operational experience nor the maintainence facilities for the swedish aircraft it will put a lot of preasure on them(additional expenditure),the mirage2000-5 costs 55-60 million dollars per aircraft and the rafale 60-65+million dollars and the ef2000 around 70million dollars.
so interesting times in pakistan.
SABRE said:
has pakistan selected the third 4th gen fighter?which one is it?has the price negotiations been completed?operational doctrine prepared?has the order been placed?
price negotiations in most case takes quite some time,and then the order has to be placed ,most current 4th gen aircrafts (except for rafale and j10) are currently having their order books full,then after aquiring the aircrafts,training and preparation of the operational doctrine alone take another year,the 3 to 4 year time period is highly unlikely,also the quake hit pakistan at a very wrong time,the economy will show the adverse impact of the quake next year.so if pakistan goes for a third 4th gen fighter in the next 3to 4 years it will put some preasure on the economy.
i believe the best option for pakistan would be to go for j10.the next will be gripen.(i believe gripen costs about 35million dollars per aircraft so a 60 aircraft order will cost around 2.1 billion dollars plus the weapons and the cost of tot)also pakistan has neither the operational experience nor the maintainence facilities for the swedish aircraft it will put a lot of preasure on them(additional expenditure),the mirage2000-5 costs 55-60 million dollars per aircraft and the rafale 60-65+million dollars and the ef2000 around 70million dollars.
so interesting times in pakistan.
fieldmarshal
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Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
Accord reached with US on F-16 deal delay
By Anwar Iqbal link http://www.dawn.com/2005/11/07/top8.htm
WASHINGTON, Nov 6: Pakistan and the United States on Friday reached an understanding which allows Islamabad to temporarily delay a deal to purchase F-16 fighter jets.
The Bush administration also delayed an earlier decision to seek Congressional approval for the proposed deal till at least the next session. The current Congressional session expires before Nov 24 and the next begins in January.
The decision to delay the F-16 deal was finalized at a meeting between Ambassador Jehangir Karamat and US Assistant Secretary of State Christina Rocca.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was expected to brief the House of Representatives International Relations Committee on the proposed sale of F-16s in a classified session on Wednesday. She would have then sent a formal notification or soon after. After notification, Congress has 30 days to pass a resolution of disapproval if it wants to block the sale.
US and Pakistani officials had indicated earlier that they did not expect the lawmakers to unnecessary delay the deal.
“But now the deal may be delayed at least till the next Congressional session,†Ambassador Karamat told Dawn after his meeting with Ms Rocca.
Asked if the delay could extend to a year or longer, Mr Karamat said: “Possible. But it is difficult to give a revised schedule at this stage. We will have to see how much resources we need for helping and rehabilitating the earthquake victims and then we will think about other matters.â€
He said the deal was going to cost Pakistan as much as $4 billion and “we felt that at this stage we need that money for the earthquake victims.â€
Pakistan was expected to buy 75 F-16s from the US. Of these, 50 were new F-16C/D Falcon while 25 were old but upgraded versions of the aircraft. The deal included upgrading of the 30 F-16s Pakistan received in the 1980s. In July, the US had agreed to deliver at least two F-16s by November.
“It’s an ideal for us,†said Ambassador Karamat. “We hope we will be able to finalize it at a later stage.â€
He said the Bush administration had assured Pakistan that the delay would not affect the deal and “we would be able to revive it when we are ready.â€
At a briefing at the US State Department, spokesman Sean McCormack said: “How and when this sale actually moves forward is up to the government of Pakistan. I would leave it to the Pakistani government to talk about where exactly they stand on their request for sale of F-16s.â€
He said the government and people of Pakistan were facing incredible challenges as not only they were still trying to deal with the relief phase in the aftermath of the earthquake but were also looking ahead to the reconstruction phase. “And that is something that we are going to be working closely with the Pakistani government, as well as with the international community,†he said.
On March 25, the Bush administration had announced that it would resume selling F-16s to Pakistan after a hiatus of almost 16 years.
But Pakistan’s decision to delay the deal will have a negative impact on Lockheed Martin, the company that produces the F-16s, which already faces major job cuts. Employment on the company’s F-16 production line, which exceeded 5,500 two years ago, is now close to 4,000.
Soon after Pakistan announced its decision, Lockheed spokesman Joe Stout said the company “needs a new F-16 order this year to preclude disruptions in the F-16 production line.â€
Another company spokesman, however, hoped that the sale to Pakistan may still occur.
Defence experts in Washington say that the US government will likely support Pakistan’s bid for the F-16s with generous financial terms for both foreign policy and domestic political reasons.
Also considering that the assembly line is in the presidents home state, so a closure of the fortworth plant would look really bad.
Accord reached with US on F-16 deal delay
By Anwar Iqbal link http://www.dawn.com/2005/11/07/top8.htm
WASHINGTON, Nov 6: Pakistan and the United States on Friday reached an understanding which allows Islamabad to temporarily delay a deal to purchase F-16 fighter jets.
The Bush administration also delayed an earlier decision to seek Congressional approval for the proposed deal till at least the next session. The current Congressional session expires before Nov 24 and the next begins in January.
The decision to delay the F-16 deal was finalized at a meeting between Ambassador Jehangir Karamat and US Assistant Secretary of State Christina Rocca.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was expected to brief the House of Representatives International Relations Committee on the proposed sale of F-16s in a classified session on Wednesday. She would have then sent a formal notification or soon after. After notification, Congress has 30 days to pass a resolution of disapproval if it wants to block the sale.
US and Pakistani officials had indicated earlier that they did not expect the lawmakers to unnecessary delay the deal.
“But now the deal may be delayed at least till the next Congressional session,†Ambassador Karamat told Dawn after his meeting with Ms Rocca.
Asked if the delay could extend to a year or longer, Mr Karamat said: “Possible. But it is difficult to give a revised schedule at this stage. We will have to see how much resources we need for helping and rehabilitating the earthquake victims and then we will think about other matters.â€
He said the deal was going to cost Pakistan as much as $4 billion and “we felt that at this stage we need that money for the earthquake victims.â€
Pakistan was expected to buy 75 F-16s from the US. Of these, 50 were new F-16C/D Falcon while 25 were old but upgraded versions of the aircraft. The deal included upgrading of the 30 F-16s Pakistan received in the 1980s. In July, the US had agreed to deliver at least two F-16s by November.
“It’s an ideal for us,†said Ambassador Karamat. “We hope we will be able to finalize it at a later stage.â€
He said the Bush administration had assured Pakistan that the delay would not affect the deal and “we would be able to revive it when we are ready.â€
At a briefing at the US State Department, spokesman Sean McCormack said: “How and when this sale actually moves forward is up to the government of Pakistan. I would leave it to the Pakistani government to talk about where exactly they stand on their request for sale of F-16s.â€
He said the government and people of Pakistan were facing incredible challenges as not only they were still trying to deal with the relief phase in the aftermath of the earthquake but were also looking ahead to the reconstruction phase. “And that is something that we are going to be working closely with the Pakistani government, as well as with the international community,†he said.
On March 25, the Bush administration had announced that it would resume selling F-16s to Pakistan after a hiatus of almost 16 years.
But Pakistan’s decision to delay the deal will have a negative impact on Lockheed Martin, the company that produces the F-16s, which already faces major job cuts. Employment on the company’s F-16 production line, which exceeded 5,500 two years ago, is now close to 4,000.
Soon after Pakistan announced its decision, Lockheed spokesman Joe Stout said the company “needs a new F-16 order this year to preclude disruptions in the F-16 production line.â€
Another company spokesman, however, hoped that the sale to Pakistan may still occur.
Defence experts in Washington say that the US government will likely support Pakistan’s bid for the F-16s with generous financial terms for both foreign policy and domestic political reasons.
Also considering that the assembly line is in the presidents home state, so a closure of the fortworth plant would look really bad.