Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions

Elite Brain

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Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions

Does anyone know what the outstanding issues with SAAB are? Pakistan has been in negotiations with Sweden for the EIREYE since 2002 now.
 

fieldmarshal

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Re: 6 Z-9C & 8 Alouette III Helicopters for Pak?

Hussain said:
Alouette 111's aren't they a bit old to do anything? They can only carry limited cargo and have no real ability to carry anti tank weapons (except for a machine gun) and a single torpedo.
They said chopper are ment for the navy so y would they be required to carry anti tank wepons. i am yet to see tanks operating in the sea, plz do inlighten me with this amazing discovery of ur.
They are not ment to carry cargo either cuz they are not cargo heles n they dont carry machine guns either.

They are ment as search and rescue, thats wt they were designed n that is how they are employed by the PA n the PN. Some of the alouttes of the navy also are employed in servlance n anti sub role, but to a limited extent.

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Elite-Pilot

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Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions

Ok, can someone tell me how much an Erieye costs?and how many Erieyes is pakistan looking at?


Does anyone know what the outstanding issues with SAAB are? Pakistan has been in negotiations with Sweden for the EIREYE since 2002 now.
Well first of all Sweden is very careful and they do not want to regret something that they have done. Also when SAAB is negotiationg with a country they can just hand it over,you gotta wait. The contract needs to go through many stages until it is finalized*.
 

SABRE

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Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions

A messege from SAAB Ericson cop.

Clarification about Saab Surveillance System to Pakistan
As previously announced Saab has signed a contract to supply an airborne Surveillance System for Pakistan. Important conditions remain to be settled until the contract will be effective. Because of speculations about the order value, we would like to make clear that the contract value is SEK 8,3 billion, with two third for Saab and one third for Ericsson Microwave Systems.

Source: The SAAB Group
Link : http://www.saab.se/node3299.asp?id=2005101922850
Site: www.saab.se

 

lakhani

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STOCKHOLM: Pakistan has signed a contract with two Swedish companies for a land surveillance system that could have been useful in emergency operations arising from the earthquake in Kashmir, the aircraft maker Saab announced on Wednesday.
The system operates aboard a Saab 2000 turbo-propelled aircraft, relying on the Erieye on-board radar system developed by Ericsson Microwave Systems, a subsidiary of the telecom giant Ericsson, a news release stated.
Saab will receive two thirds of the 8.3 billion Swedish kronor (878 million-euro, one-billion-dollar) contract and Ericsson will get the other third. Saab said the surveillance system would be used together with ground-based radars "to provide a more detailed picture" to assist rescue operations and help Pakistan face "different threats to the country".
"In the aftermath of the severe earthquake, the system would have been able to play a significant part in the search and rescue operations" and in logistical support, the statement read. Saab added that "important conditions remain to be settled" before the contract becomes effective.

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html
 

Elite Brain

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Elite Brain said:
Does anyone know what the outstanding issues with SAAB are? Pakistan has been in negotiations with Sweden for the EIREYE since 2002 now.
As usual, i havent recieved an "Intelligent" answer to the question above. Just the usual copy and paste.
 

Hussain

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Re: 6 Z-9C & 8 Alouette III Helicopters for Pak?

What I ma trying to say is that they have limited capability. They may be fine for SAR. American Sea Cobra's carry anti tank weapons for beach assaults . I think Pakistan does have marines/naval commandos for that type of warfare, unless pakistan marines are assigned to other types of duties.
 

gf0012-aust

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Elite Brain said:
As usual, i havent recieved an "Intelligent" answer to the question above. Just the usual copy and paste.
If nobody has been able to "copy and paste" or provide links to any official comments that are newer than 2002 - that would more or less indicate that nobody knows.
 

fieldmarshal

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Re: 6 Z-9C & 8 Alouette III Helicopters for Pak?

Hussain said:
What I ma trying to say is that they have limited capability. They may be fine for SAR. American Sea Cobra's carry anti tank weapons for beach assaults . I think Pakistan does have marines/naval commandos for that type of warfare, unless pakistan marines are assigned to other types of duties.
Man i have no idea wt ur going about. Pakistan has no marines, it does have NSSG and they are not ment for beach landing like the marines. special forces are not ment to hold ground n fight like conventional force.
So when Pakistan has no marines than y would they buy attack hele for the navy/marines, cuz buying attack hele would entail buying some ship capabile of carring them like the us marines have their own hele ac carrier.

They alouttes n the z-9 that the PN is buying will opperate from its fregates/distroyer. n will perform SAR n some antisub/antiship role. as the z-9 can carry a pair of tarpedos or silkworm anti ship missiles n may be exocite n harpoons.
the aloutte even though is old is a pretty capabile hele n is used by various nations.
Z-9 is basically the french duphine which the chinese are produing under licence and is a pretty capable platform.
 

fieldmarshal

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Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions

Elite Brain said:
As usual, i havent recieved an "Intelligent" answer to the question above. Just the usual copy and paste.
Buddy no body on this forum is a member of the negociation or the evaluation team, so no body knows,basically ur guess is as good as mine. if u know wt mean.;)
 

kashifshahzad

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lakhani said:
STOCKHOLM: Pakistan has signed a contract with two Swedish companies for a land surveillance system that could have been useful in emergency operations arising from the earthquake in Kashmir, the aircraft maker Saab announced on Wednesday.
The system operates aboard a Saab 2000 turbo-propelled aircraft, relying on the Erieye on-board radar system developed by Ericsson Microwave Systems, a subsidiary of the telecom giant Ericsson, a news release stated.
Saab will receive two thirds of the 8.3 billion Swedish kronor (878 million-euro, one-billion-dollar) contract and Ericsson will get the other third. Saab said the surveillance system would be used together with ground-based radars "to provide a more detailed picture" to assist rescue operations and help Pakistan face "different threats to the country".
"In the aftermath of the severe earthquake, the system would have been able to play a significant part in the search and rescue operations" and in logistical support, the statement read. Saab added that "important conditions remain to be settled" before the contract becomes effective.

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html
How much there would be ERIeye comming they are required for the nothern mountanious area and the Hawkeye is for sea shores.I was hearing a lot of news about the E2 and E3 hawkeyes but suddenly this news came that pakistan is buying Erieye.Do pakistan need a disaster for every purchase whether it is war in afghanistan ot in iraq or floods and also this deadly earthquake :(
 

Elite-Pilot

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Somethings that the PAF,PN have ordered or are looking forward to aquiring:

8 P3c Orions
These planes can come really handy for ASW(anti-sub warfare). Also they would help boost our navy's offence. Maybe when these are fully delivered the 2 others that we operate can fly once again.
75 F-16's
The US is working with us and weare trying to negotiate with several countries for second-hand F-16's. (note, that if they are not blk 50/52,they will be sent to America and will be upgraded to MLU standard. Or we would simply reject them).
7 Erieyes
Deal is being dicussed.
8 C-130's
they are to come soon....real soon
22 K-8 trainers
Modern Jets mean, modern trainers. And if PAF doesnt get these soon, new pilots on the F-16's and JF-17 might have some difficulties.
4th Generation Aircraft
I am not sure which one exactly!

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Elite-Pilot

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This is a pretty big article so i will just post link.
LINK

What a great feeling it is!!!:smash :smash :smash :smash
 
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Brit

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Re: 6 Z-9C & 8 Alouette III Helicopters for Pak?

Guys,
Re the FC-1 Thunder, what air-air missiles is it going to be equiped with in PAF service?
 

Elite-Pilot

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Guys,
Re the FC-1 Thunder, what air-air missiles is it going to be equiped with in PAF service?
The main missile Pakistan is looking towards with the JF-17 is the SD-10. This missile is still being looked at by the PAF, but some are saying that it simply does not make it to the "PAF standard". However, this missile is very similar and comparable to the AIM-120 & R-77. It lacks the kill probability but this is still under development so maybe everything get better

for additional information on the upcoming SD-10, visit here
http://www.sinodefence.com/missile/airlaunched/sd10.asp

But the FC-1/JF-17 also carries the options of AIM-9P,PL-6,PL-8 and PL-9

now that i have given you the answer to your question,it reing a bell in my head.And so i wonder which anti-ship and air-surface missiles can the JF-17carry??:confused:
 

Brit

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Thanks, but sadly that hasn't really given me the answer in relation to the WVR missile fit. It could carry the PL-9.... but will it. Or will it carry the AIM-9P????

As for AShMs... that's a long way down the road I'd have thought. A single bog standard Chinese YJ-82K (C-802K) if you ask me. I doubt FC-1s feature highly on the PAFs anti-ship scenario planning.
 

Elite-Pilot

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Thanks, but sadly that hasn't really given me the answer in relation to the WVR missile fit. It could carry the PL-9.... but will it. Or will it carry the AIM-9P????
No problem, and regarding that question, I think we are just gonna go with the AIM-9p. Considering that we are really good with the Western technology that we aquire.That why we look for western tech to fulfill our needs.

90 of our JF-17's will be equipped with the AIM-9p
60 of them will be fit with Chinese PL-9, also the first 16 that will be handled with Chinese equipment. (correct me if i am wrong)

As for AShMs... that's a long way down the road I'd have thought. A single bog standard Chinese YJ-82K (C-802K) if you ask me. I doubt FC-1s feature highly on the PAFs anti-ship scenario planning.
Yeah, i was looking at the same answer in my head. But the PAF always looks at multirole aircraft. This is one part that we really don't get a fighter or bomber that only looks at one role. This is why we dont have bombers. But the C-130 does the job:lol3 . On top of that they are always escorted while on a bombing run!!
 

Brit

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Thanks.

Re AShMs, since the rekindling of links with France (recent maintance/refit of Mirage IIIs, seen at airshows with PGMs???) Exocet looks a possible solution but again, FC-1 looks an unlikely candidate to me. Mirage IIIs, Orion and Atlantics are more natural anti-shipping choices. Even F16As are better suited IMO. Fantan is hardly a long term solution and at any rate has naff performance as it is without a sod off AShM attached.
 

Elite-Pilot

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Thanks.

Re AShMs, since the rekindling of links with France (recent maintance/refit of Mirage IIIs, seen at airshows with PGMs???) Exocet looks a possible solution but again, FC-1 looks an unlikely candidate to me. Mirage IIIs, Orion and Atlantics are more natural anti-shipping choices. Even F16As are better suited IMO. Fantan is hardly a long term solution and at any rate has naff performance as it is without a sod off AShM attached.
Again, no problem. I agree that the we won't be seeing the JF-17 for anti-ship role. However, If Orions or Atlantiques are to take off,they need escorts. It takes long to plan a formation to SUCCESFULLY take out a frigate or possibly even an aircraft Carrier.

If it is a carrier, we expect more than 4 ships(carrier battle fleet). If the country is expecting an aircraft carrier coming beyond the "line" in one or two days ,then a formation is sent to Masroor. This Formation would consist of F-16's just incase planes decide to take of the carrier. Mirage 5's for anti-ship capibility. and possibly mirage 3OP's capable of recon missions, these planes would provide information such as "where is the battle fleet heading", "How many ships are in the battle fleet" & "what class or type the vessels are". The JF-17 would also be likely to be deployed to provide "second hand help".

BUT if it was a frigate/destroyer then a simple pair of mirage 5's will be deployed.

NOTE---THIS IS MY OPINIONS ON WHAT WOULD HAPPEN:)
 
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