Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions

Brit

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My opinion, which is unbiased though you may not like it, is that such a package stands little chance of success. currently PN submarines and sabotage in port appear the only credible way of dealing substantial blow to the Indian surface fleet. If PAF wants to deploy anti-shipping strike capability on anything like a par with IAF's Jaguars, it needs another platform, or a serious re-roling for the upcoming F16Cs.
 

Elite-Pilot

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i like your idea but listen,if suppose 2 jiangwei II class, 2 jalalat missile boats, and 2 tariq class ships are to do a naval blockade. They will be at anchor, making them more vulnerable to Anti-Ship missiles. And not to mention the Brahmos missile.

1st option) naval blockade, cost 4-5 ships depending on our vessels and theirs. A ships cost about 200 million and more/less each.

2nd option) Do airstrikes with various different aircraft. None of these except some cost more than 50 million (Maritime patrol aircraft). And if 20+ air craft are launched, then we might see 5-7 losses.

its clear that the air strike waves are more less costly, its not that i dont like your idea. Its pretty good, there would also be possibilities of of ships being deployed aswell.

these are my opions on what would happen!
 

Elite-Pilot

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[ Admin Edit: Relax! ]

Pak quake puts skids on F-16 supply

READ IT HERE


The article is 4 pages long! READ

[ Admin Edit: What does this have anything to do with Military Aviation? Don't over react to news and post it in places where it doesn't belong! ]
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should we trust this or not? i mean it is indian crap
sry for posting twice webster
 
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Elite-Pilot

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Indian propaganda is nothing more than b.s.

Pakistan said re-thinking F-16 deal

By Carol Giacomo

WASHINGTON, Oct 25 (Reuters) - Pakistan is reconsidering its plan to buy scores of new and used American-made F-16 fighter jets following the devastating earthquake that killed 53,000 people, U.S. and Pakistani sources said on Tuesday.

The Bush administration was expected to formally notify the U.S. Congress next week of plans to sell the planes but Pakistani sources told Reuters the deal was being rethought.

"Pakistan is at this time in a situation where we are trying to assess the damages caused by the earthquake and how are we going to cope with tragedy," a Pakistani diplomat said.

"The onus would be more on Pakistan whether to go ahead at this time," he said.

A U.S. official said Pakistan was reconsidering the scope and timing of the transfer out of concern for the political and economic impact of making a multibillion dollar arms deal as it still copes with a devastating earthquake that has killed thousands of people.

Pakistan is seeking billions of dollars in relief and reconstruction aid.

The Pakistani diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity, did not suggest the deal would be jettisoned. He said there were many options, including delay. "Everything is open to possibility," he added.

Congress has been informally told of plans to provide the South Asian nuclear state with about 55 new Lockheed Martin planes, 25 used aircraft as well as so-called "mid-life" upgrades that would significantly improve the capability of another 32 jets, sources told Reuters.

SALE DECISION SOON

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is to brief the House of Representatives International Relations Committee in classified session next Wednesday. Congressional sources said they expected her to give formal notification of the sale then or soon after.

After formal notification, Congress has 30 days to pass a resolution of disapproval if it wants to block the sale.

India -- Pakistan's South Asia rival -- and some of its supporters in America question the sale. The U.S. India Political Action Committee, which promoted Indian Americans' concerns, said the deal would encourage a regional arms race.

The group said in a statement that after the earthquake "it is very important to concentrate on the aid relief for the affected people rather than the sale of arms."

But a Pakistani diplomat argued the F-16 deal was a "strategic necessity". "You cannot afford to lower your guard or your defenses. At the same time, you have to cope with the rest of the difficulties of life as well," he said.

The administration last March announced its willingness to sell advanced fighter jets to Pakistan, reversing 15 years of U.S. policy aimed at denying Islamabad because of its nuclear weapons program.

It also allowed sales to India, which wants to buy up to 126 fighters, including the F-16s and several non-U.S. planes.

Washington considers Pakistan a pivotal ally in the war against al Qaeda and is working to develop a strategic partnership with India, the world's largest democracy.

Some experts see the Pakistan F-16 sale as balancing the sweeping July 18 U.S.-India nuclear agreement under which President George W. Bush promised New Delhi access to previously restricted nuclear material.

Lockheed Martin ?LMT.N? has sold more than 4,400 F16s to the United States and other countries. The firm is scheduled to produce the last F16 in 2008 and has been eager to close the deal with Pakistan in an effort to extend the production line.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N25237423.htm

[Admin Edit: Added the ACTUAL URL of the article. EP, don't link to external forums]
 
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P.A.F

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http://www.dawn.com/2005/10/26/top5.htm

‘F-16 deal may be delayed’



By Anwar Iqbal
WASHINGTON, Oct 25: Pakistan may delay a deal to buy F-16 fighters jets from the US because of the devastating earthquake that killed more than 50,000 people, Ambassador Jehangir Karamat told Dawn on Tuesday.

He, however, denied reports that Pakistan was reconsidering the deal. “Right now, the earthquake is our first priority, but there’s no question of reconsidering the deal,†said Ambassador Karamat, who is also a former chief of the Pakistan Army.

He said President Bush and the US government were committed to the deal and the US administration had already sent an informal notification to Congress about the deal. “So how can we reconsider the deal? Just the timing may be delayed,†said Gen Karamat.

A US official also confirmed Gen Karamat’s position on the F-16 deal, saying that Pakistan had requested a delay but was not reconsidering the deal.

Meanwhile, the White House also delayed a public-private partnership of major US corporations that was to be launched on Tuesday.

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Here is something a little more sensible.
 

kashifshahzad

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I cant understand that how the production or acqusition of the F-16s is going to effect the relief efforts in Pakistan.Do Pakistan has to pay for them in advance(i.e for the upgradation in advance ) or there are other probelms can someone tell me those.If this is the case then Pakistan must delay the F-16s issue if the problem is not the money then Pakistan must go for it.
 

srirangan

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kashifshahzad said:
I cant understand that how the production or acqusition of the F-16s is going to effect the relief efforts in Pakistan.Do Pakistan has to pay for them in advance(i.e for the upgradation in advance ) or there are other probelms can someone tell me those.If this is the case then Pakistan must delay the F-16s issue if the problem is not the money then Pakistan must go for it.
(1) Funds
(2) PR nightmare
 

kilo_4que

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since i was expecting a rapid response Sri

let me give a brief elaboration on what i make ouy to your two word reply.

First and foremost you say PR nightmare because Indians see this a way to discredit and bash pakistan. Is that how much you hate pakistan, I mean if you do then you should openly say a speak your mind on here so we know where you are coming from rather than hinting with subliminal messages.

I mean it was similar people to you who went so low to saying that Pakistans claim of 30,000 (at that time) reported dead is a fake number in order pocket hand fulls of aid money where the embarrasing thing for those cold hearted individuals is that them final statistcs were not carried out by pakistan but internation aid missions.

My question to you is firstly, explain where your coming from regarding Funds and PR and then well continue.
 

srirangan

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PR nightmare because it would look ridiculous buying 80 odd F16's for a bill of $3 billion at a time when the country grapples with its worst catastrophe ever. If you are going to read all my comments with a "look he is an Indian" bias, then its not going to do the conversation any good.
 

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I think, Pakistan made a responsible choice to review the F-16 deal and should reconsider it's options for now. That does not mean deal is dead.

Sri,
I think recent rants by India that "US must deal with nuclear proliferators and punish Dr. AQ Khan" prompted Kilo's reply at the time when Pakistan is going through a very tough time. Of course, India bashing Pakistan at the time when "people are suffering" is not a big deal but Pakistan buying F-16 for it's defence would be (at least for India) as it gives anti-pakistani elements another way to "make Pakistan look bad as she considers options for her defence and at the same time tackles worst earthquake in it's history" but then again, anyone pointing out that fact to you would be "bias". :lol3

Related:

Callous India ignores Pak trauma
By Mariana Baabar
ISLAMABAD: Displaying acute insensitivity and complete disregard for the difficult time Pakistan is passing through, India appears to be the only country in the world with complete disregard for human sufferings at an unprecedented scale.
 

srirangan

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Simple question, have the terror attacks died? No, then why blame us for reporting it? Anyway your comment and my reply are offtopic. Coming back to topic ofcourse, you are right, the deal is obviously not cancelled, however just delayed/pushed under the carpet for the time being as the region grapples with the earthquake.
 
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kilo_4que

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srirangan said:
PR nightmare because it would look ridiculous buying 80 odd F16's for a bill of $3 billion at a time when the country grapples with its worst catastrophe ever. If you are going to read all my comments with a "look he is an Indian" bias, then its not going to do the conversation any good.
First and foremost, it is rather unfortunate that I have to take that point of view especially after reading many posts contributed by you with each and everyone possessing some form of anti pakistan view whether it is direct or indirect.

Secondly, the 3 billion dollar deal you talk of has many avenues to it. No one has confirmed that they have been paid for. These were talks prior to the unfortunate happening. Post desaster, the situation is different. Maybe Pakistan wont acquire them just yet, maybe US will give them the fighters and expect a lump payment later. How can you justify Pakistans "harsh" actions when none have been authentically reported. I mean yes it is a fact pakistan are going to acquire F16 in a decent number worth fare few dollars. Yes America has confirmed this, yet no date of delivery nor date of purchase has been confirmed so how can you bang on about Pakistan wanting to acquire the fighters during such a catastrophe where in all fareness they could have and most likely would have halted the deal.

Consequently, why is the F16 saga such a factor anyways. I mean if someone passes away in your family, are you going to curse them for eating by saying "tut tut, family has passed away and he is "enjoying" a meal" for heavens sake these situations do become childish srirangan and so does your views on the F16 deal which is based around "your assumptions" being reality
 

kilo_4que

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srirangan said:
Simple question, have the terror attacks died? No, then why blame us for reporting it? Anyway your comment and my reply are offtopic. Coming back to topic ofcourse, you are right, the deal is obviously not cancelled, however just delayed/pushed under the carpet for the time being as the region grapples with the earthquake.
The terror attacks huh, well is this another feeling that India is possessed by dictatorship believing anything that tickles their fancy rather than reality. Dont get me wrong but India talks about terror threats from Pakistan knowing that the wester media is quick to pickup on anything negatively related to pakistan or islam. What india needs to do however, is sort out its internal terrorist matters before addressing the world that pakistan has a problem with terrorism. Look at the likes of Veerappan (spelling), the dude was on a killing spree, he was worse than friggin Pablo Escobar. Finally theyve killed him and think that for now indian terrorists are history, but we know how large the underworld in india is srirangan, even bollywood superstars have been referred to having warm ties with them. Yet you point fingers at other, bravo I salute your thinking
 

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Political talks can go on forever and I am sure both sides have their "unbiased" sources and claims. I am still searching for recent "terror / nuclear terror" attacks linked to Pakistan though. ;)

We really need to get back to the topic.
 

Elite-Pilot

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If you ask me the Pakistani Government is doing the right thing. We know that without the F-16 we will not be able to fill up and be equal with the countries in the region. I live right here in Sarghoda, but i am a High school student currently in 12th grade and I study in America. Just about 8-10 hours from where i am sitting down right now, I see F-16's doing routine sorties. So now you tell me who is smarter me or a government. Do you know how EMBARASSING getting these F-16's could be? just Imagine the following.

1)"We are buying F-16 worth 3 billion dollars from the U.S.A"

ON TOP OF THAT

2) "Our people are calling for aid, and we expect that every country helps"

would'nt it be embarrasing?you tell me

If i was in another country i would be doing this =>:confused: :lol3 :lol3 :lol3
 

Elite-Pilot

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I have a question for you guys, Which JF-17 camouflage would suit the PAF?

LEFT TO RIGHT

1)Desert Camouflage (top Left)
2)PAF F-16 Camouflage(top right)
3)Multi Camouflage (bottom left)
4)F-16 Camouflage #2 (bottom right)
 
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P.A.F

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http://www.dawn.com/2005/10/27/top4.htm

F-16s deal is on, says FO



By Qudssia Akhlaque
ISLAMABAD, Oct 26: Pakistan’s Foreign Office said on Wednesday that the procurement of F-16 fighter jets from the US was not an immediate issue for the country but made it clear that the deal was still on.

Foreign Office Spokesperson Tasnim Aslam when contacted by Dawn on Wednesday night indicated that procurement of F-16s was not a priority issue for Pakistan in the wake of the Oct 8 earthquake. “This is not an immediate issue for us. We will take a decision at an appropriate time, taking into account all the factors,†she said.

The spokesperson did not rule out the possibility of a delay in the delivery of F-16s but said no decision in this regard had been taken so far.

When asked if anything had been formally conveyed to the US government on this matter she said so far nothing had been communicated to Washington.

Responding to another question Spokesperson Aslam categorically stated that Pakistan-US deal on F-16s was still on.

Military Spokesman Maj-Gen Shaukat Sultan when asked to comment on the question of F-16s said he had nothing to say on it. However, referring to the statement of Pakistan’s ambassador to the US, Jehangir Karamat, he hinted that there may be some delay but no reconsidering of the deal.

According to sources close to the government, Pakistan has decided not to move further on seeking delivery of the fighter jets despite having firmed up the deal with the American authorities.

These sources say that the financial implications of the deal provided the most compelling reason for putting fighter jets on the backburner as Pakistan government was diverting all its financial resources to earthquake relief operations.

The thinking in key foreign policy and defence circles is that this would be a major drain on the national exchequer and would not send a positive signal to the international community.

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Everyone can chill out now :smash
 

P.A.F

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Elite-Pilot said:
I have a question for you guys, Which JF-17 camouflage would suit the PAF?

LEFT TO RIGHT

1)Desert Camouflage (top Left)
2)PAF F-16 Camouflage(top right)
3)Multi Camouflage (bottom left)
4)F-16 Camouflage #2 (bottom right)
It would be ideal to have different sqn with different camouflages depending on what type of mission they are trained to fly;). Also where the squadron is based. if in the desert area then desert cam and if in the north then multi cam.
 
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