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LOL...I did not realize Indian Media had that kind of influence in Washington..that it decided to audit its trusted ally.:hehe ..in any case whats that got to do with latest problem in congress..Lantos has problem with your AQ.Khan legacy and I think he and couple of other congressman merely trying to show their power to the executive branch..(like they did during voting of nuclear deal). In any way no need to get worked up..I have seen worse postings by Pakistanis.SABRE said:
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Lantos needs to push the Indian agenda to maintain his position with them.
Their is no harm in that.
Dr. Khan was the head of one of the 22+ agencies that made up the team that the Pak. Atomic Energy Comission put together to develop the A. Bomb.
To give you some idea of his involvement with the fabrication and testing of the Bomb itself ..........He was invited on the very day and only hours before the tests,and departed in 15 minutes, long before the tests took place. Cascading is vital, but it has absolutly nothing to do with manufacturing the Bomb itself.
Dr. Khan had submited his design, but it was found to be wanting,and was rejected.
This is what he sold to poor (sorry," rich ") Libya. Once it was explained to them, that all they had was the most expensive wall paper and useless toys in the world, they presented them to Uncle Sam.
Lantos needs to push the Indian agenda to maintain his position with them.
Their is no harm in that.
Dr. Khan was the head of one of the 22+ agencies that made up the team that the Pak. Atomic Energy Comission put together to develop the A. Bomb.
To give you some idea of his involvement with the fabrication and testing of the Bomb itself ..........He was invited on the very day and only hours before the tests,and departed in 15 minutes, long before the tests took place. Cascading is vital, but it has absolutly nothing to do with manufacturing the Bomb itself.
Dr. Khan had submited his design, but it was found to be wanting,and was rejected.
This is what he sold to poor (sorry," rich ") Libya. Once it was explained to them, that all they had was the most expensive wall paper and useless toys in the world, they presented them to Uncle Sam.
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According to Hitler (If i am correct), if you keep on repeating a lie, sooner or later every one would start taking it as a fact/truth. The report was originaly in Some American magazine but Pakistan had denouned the reports. Later the magazine also dropped the issue but the Indian media started to exploit it -[The White House & Congress seem to keep an eye on international media]. Some Representatives asked for investigation & US sent the team. It has nothing to do with media influence, its how much media is exploiting it.kams said:
Congressmen, who have been bringing up these accusations against Pakistan, are all member of Indian Caucus in the Congress. India has always used its friends to create hue and cry against every deal whether big or small. They have always tried to hurt Pakistan one way or other. Lantos, Crowley are all members of Indian Caucus and have a great future in India once retired from politics.
Remember Pressler and his amendment which hurt Pakistan. Now out of the Congress, he is enjoying life in India as a Board Member of Indian Companies as a reward for his services against Pakistan.
Remember Pressler and his amendment which hurt Pakistan. Now out of the Congress, he is enjoying life in India as a Board Member of Indian Companies as a reward for his services against Pakistan.
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Man, every conuntry has its lobbying, caucus in Washington including India and Pakistan..that does not mean that congress men after retiring will moove to INdia:rotfl Its just that sometimes you may experience temporary set backs and this is not even a setback...you will have your fighters..pshamim said:
interesting to see Taiwan is considering a purchace of 66 F16 C/Ds for 4BIL US$......Paks deal of 18 + 26 +wpns and upgades seems a little steep at 5 Bil US$?
Had you seen the complete list, you would not be asking this question:old faithful said:
Yes it may look like excessive but not true. Oner other thing, the price includes 36 new Blk-52 and not 18 as you mentioned.
Hate to repeat but for your information glad to let you understand what $5 Billion is going to purchase for PAF. It includes the following:
36 Block 50/52
26 Block A/B
60 MLU kits and upgrade
Spare Engines and Radars
36 Joint Helmet Cueing systems
36 Link-16s
36 CFTs
36 Global Positioning Systems
36 APX-113 IFF systems
500 AIM-120 C5
240 LAU-129/A Launchers
500 JDAM Kits
1200 GBU 12/24
200 Aim-9M 8/9 Sidewinder Missiles
800 MK-82 500 and 2000Lbs Bombs
700 BLU-109 2000 Lbs Bombs
14 Falcon Star Structural Upgrade Kits
Modification of 14 F-100 engines
MLU and Falcon Structural Upgrade kits which includes
60 APG-68(v)9 Radars
60 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System
AN/APX-113 IFF Systems
60 AN/ALE Counter Measures System
60 Sniper Targeting Pods
And More.
Hope now you understand why the packege is worth $5 Billion.
well, even for the 36 new block 50/52+, it was stated as 3 billion, not even including the missiles.pshamim said:
On 28 June 2005, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 Aircraft as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $3 billion.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:
Major Defense Equipment (MDE)
>36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 aircraft with either the F100-PW-229 or F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines (IPEs) and APG-68(V)9 radars
>7 spare F100-PW-229 IPE or F110-GE-129 IPE engines
>7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets
>36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems
>36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II
>36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs)
>36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals
>36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems
>36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
>36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites without Digital Radio
Now, I'd like to wait until the Taiwan deal is fully revealed before making a judgement. From the past deals, Greece basically paid 67 million per unit (including servicing, JHMCS, sensors, datalink, some pods, small number of PGMs). Pakistan basically paid 83.3 million per unit for the same unit but with CFTs and no pods and PGMs.
Personally, I think the Taiwanese deal (reported as 3.1 billion for 66) is just for the aiframes themselves, with nothing else included. If you add in radar, link-16, pods, JHMCS, spares, the total value might get up to the 5 to 6 billion range.
ok, so 36 F16 C/D @ 65mil USD each will set you back <2.5 bil$ wpns package is quoted(yes i am well aware of the package Pak is recieveing) $650mil leaves around @2 bill for 26 2nd hand A/Bs and 60 upgrades....mmm
I would have thought that $4 bill us on 66 NEW C/Ds and 1 bill on upgrades would have been a better buy. surely spares and upgrades would cost less than one thousand million dollars....and im sure that Taiwan didnt just buy 66 unarmed F16,s. by the way,34 upgrades would not cost @29 million each.
I would have thought that $4 bill us on 66 NEW C/Ds and 1 bill on upgrades would have been a better buy. surely spares and upgrades would cost less than one thousand million dollars....and im sure that Taiwan didnt just buy 66 unarmed F16,s. by the way,34 upgrades would not cost @29 million each.
3bn USD for 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52+ w/CFTs, JHMCS, Link 16, etc; note this price also includes the infrastructure, training, induction and support costs of the aircraft. Just remember that when Greece and Israel bought their Block 50/52+ aircraft, they already had the basic infrastructure needed for C/D aircraft; however Pakistan does not. This would likely explain why the PAF is paying 83mn USD for each aircraft.
1.3bn USD for 26 used F-16A/B Block 15OCU and 60 MLU3 kits; that includes JHMCS, Link 16, etc. 650mn USD is for the 500 AIM-120C5, 200 AIM-9M-8/9, 500 JDAMs, etc, etc. While the other 150mn USD is for the Falcon Up Star program for 14 of the 26 used F-16A/Bs we are procuring. The PAF ACM said that the 26 used F-16s are in fact the ex-Peace Gate III/IV aircraft - 2 of which have already been delivered for free; while the rest will be bought cheaply.
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1.3bn USD for 26 used F-16A/B Block 15OCU and 60 MLU3 kits; that includes JHMCS, Link 16, etc. 650mn USD is for the 500 AIM-120C5, 200 AIM-9M-8/9, 500 JDAMs, etc, etc. While the other 150mn USD is for the Falcon Up Star program for 14 of the 26 used F-16A/Bs we are procuring. The PAF ACM said that the 26 used F-16s are in fact the ex-Peace Gate III/IV aircraft - 2 of which have already been delivered for free; while the rest will be bought cheaply.
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http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=150142
$3b to be spent on purchase, up gradation of 55 F-16s: Tanvir
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ISLAMABAD: Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mehmood Ahmed has said that Pakistan Air Force is fully prepared to meet any challenge and give a befitting response to any aggression adding that 3 billion dollars would be spent on the purchase of 18 new, 26 used and up gradation of 11 F-16s from US.
Addressing a press conference at Air Headquarters on Monday Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mehmood said that PAF although is the smallest element of the armed forces however in the few years air power has gained great importance and we cannot negate this fact. He said our air force is always in a state of preparedness to meet any challenges and aggression. He said that our basic purpose is to maintain peace and stability in the region and this can only be achieved when we are strong and are able to maintain minimum deterrence.
Air Chief said that Air Force is an affective force and remained on full alert during the 2002 border tensions and we made it clear to the enemy that we are fully capable of giving a befitting response to any aggression by the army.
With respect to F-16s he said that right now we have 34 F-16s and negotiations are going on with the US for purchase of 18 new and 26 used F-16s and 11 F-16’s already present would be upgraded.
While giving details, Air Chief said that new F-16s would have optimum facilities including all supporting equipment, technology, weapon system and proper safety system.
He said that eleven F-16s would be upgraded that will help in their operational capability to quite an extent.
He said that Pakistan has F-16s from last 30 years and that’s the reason we are purchasing 26 used F-16s, however we will get them after formal Upgradation.
He said that approximately 3 billion dollar would be spent on the purchase of 18 new, 26 used and up gradation of 11 F-16s from US.
He said that the payment would not be done immediately, however following a formal agreement with US, only 5 to 10 percent would be paid.
He said that after the agreement with US, Pakistan would start getting new F-16s in three years.
He said that used F-16s would be provided to Pakistan within fifteen to eighteen months.
He opine that new planes would be bigger in size, capacity, presence of AVANEX Radar System and can carry more weight than normal planes and travel long distances.
He said that we will not compromise on the standard of the planes as we have other options too besides US in this regard.
"We have China and Europe too for purchasing technology", he maintained. He said that besides this we are also acquiring Air Borne Early Warning system, Air Borne refuel system, Air Borne radar and other modern equipment.
He said that with the able support of China, JF 17 thunders are being prepared and it will help extremely in making air defense more robust and sound.
He said that we have 300 and India has 900 planes, however we are not into the number game and are not afraid of it.
He said that Pakistan has an edge with moral, training and technology over India in this regard.
Replying to a question, he said that war against terrorism is the policy of the government but armed forces are also actively taking part in it as air force is also a part of armed forces.
He said that wherever the operation is either in Waziristan or Balochistan, usage of airforce can only be done with the permission of the government and we only target the targets and not civilians as alleged by some quarters.
He further said that from the time he has become Air Chief, three planes have been crashed and the actual reason behind is that they are some 35 to 40 years old and have become outdated and we are getting new ones in place of them now that will have new technology.
Responding to another question, Air Chief said that USA has not given us any surety that it will impose any kind of restriction in future during the purchase of F-16s, however both the countries are eager to continue strategic relations.
Responding to another question, he said that we are not transferring any kind of technology to any other country adding that we have assured US in this connection.
Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mehmood Ahmed added that it is all baseless rumors that any of the pilots refused taking part in air operations in Waziristan as we have a professional and efficient force working under the able decisions of the Command. End.
$3b to be spent on purchase, up gradation of 55 F-16s: Tanvir
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ISLAMABAD: Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mehmood Ahmed has said that Pakistan Air Force is fully prepared to meet any challenge and give a befitting response to any aggression adding that 3 billion dollars would be spent on the purchase of 18 new, 26 used and up gradation of 11 F-16s from US.
Addressing a press conference at Air Headquarters on Monday Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mehmood said that PAF although is the smallest element of the armed forces however in the few years air power has gained great importance and we cannot negate this fact. He said our air force is always in a state of preparedness to meet any challenges and aggression. He said that our basic purpose is to maintain peace and stability in the region and this can only be achieved when we are strong and are able to maintain minimum deterrence.
Air Chief said that Air Force is an affective force and remained on full alert during the 2002 border tensions and we made it clear to the enemy that we are fully capable of giving a befitting response to any aggression by the army.
With respect to F-16s he said that right now we have 34 F-16s and negotiations are going on with the US for purchase of 18 new and 26 used F-16s and 11 F-16’s already present would be upgraded.
While giving details, Air Chief said that new F-16s would have optimum facilities including all supporting equipment, technology, weapon system and proper safety system.
He said that eleven F-16s would be upgraded that will help in their operational capability to quite an extent.
He said that Pakistan has F-16s from last 30 years and that’s the reason we are purchasing 26 used F-16s, however we will get them after formal Upgradation.
He said that approximately 3 billion dollar would be spent on the purchase of 18 new, 26 used and up gradation of 11 F-16s from US.
He said that the payment would not be done immediately, however following a formal agreement with US, only 5 to 10 percent would be paid.
He said that after the agreement with US, Pakistan would start getting new F-16s in three years.
He said that used F-16s would be provided to Pakistan within fifteen to eighteen months.
He opine that new planes would be bigger in size, capacity, presence of AVANEX Radar System and can carry more weight than normal planes and travel long distances.
He said that we will not compromise on the standard of the planes as we have other options too besides US in this regard.
"We have China and Europe too for purchasing technology", he maintained. He said that besides this we are also acquiring Air Borne Early Warning system, Air Borne refuel system, Air Borne radar and other modern equipment.
He said that with the able support of China, JF 17 thunders are being prepared and it will help extremely in making air defense more robust and sound.
He said that we have 300 and India has 900 planes, however we are not into the number game and are not afraid of it.
He said that Pakistan has an edge with moral, training and technology over India in this regard.
Replying to a question, he said that war against terrorism is the policy of the government but armed forces are also actively taking part in it as air force is also a part of armed forces.
He said that wherever the operation is either in Waziristan or Balochistan, usage of airforce can only be done with the permission of the government and we only target the targets and not civilians as alleged by some quarters.
He further said that from the time he has become Air Chief, three planes have been crashed and the actual reason behind is that they are some 35 to 40 years old and have become outdated and we are getting new ones in place of them now that will have new technology.
Responding to another question, Air Chief said that USA has not given us any surety that it will impose any kind of restriction in future during the purchase of F-16s, however both the countries are eager to continue strategic relations.
Responding to another question, he said that we are not transferring any kind of technology to any other country adding that we have assured US in this connection.
Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mehmood Ahmed added that it is all baseless rumors that any of the pilots refused taking part in air operations in Waziristan as we have a professional and efficient force working under the able decisions of the Command. End.
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PAF, then how would you explain the remaining $2b that the Air Chief doesn't shed much light on?
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Thats what i'm confused about myst (which is why i posted the article). also i have heard him say that on Geo or PTV news. can't remember which.mysterious said:
however one explenation could be that PAF has left out the extra 18 new F-16C/D option and thus the $2 billion gap.
seriously guys!? this a mess, i dont know who or what to believe regarding PAF,s futre with F16,s. I wish the PAF good luck!
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