Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions
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merocaine said:
It's a game of chess!
Other then that there are numerous competitors coming up in the market, they have to play there cards right (like the french do
)!The Most significant improvement that PAF would acquire would be the Eyrie's Link 16 with the vipers HMCS! can't imagine what havoc that would raise with the AIM-120C! Still wondering if 9x is included with the PAckage
So the Eyrie would be based-on the Link 16 !
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GF,gf0012-aust said:
I thought that the best response will be from Lockheed. They say that the CFT does not hinder use of the gun. They also think that we may be confusing it with the MIG-29 centreline tank that does block the gun.
Here is a part of the email from Eric Hehs, Editor of the CodeOne magazine of Lockheed Martin.
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Thanks for that. I took the liberty of deleting some of the personal details for privacy reasons.pshamim said:
I was struggling to work out how the CFT would foul up the guns when it was mid section placed and aft of the discharge zone - so at least I know I'm not going mad now
GF, Thanks for deleting the personal information. You just saved and protected me from my stupidity.gf0012-aust said:Thanks for that. I took the liberty of deleting some of the personal details for privacy reasons.
I was struggling to work out how the CFT would foul up the guns when it was mid section placed and aft of the discharge zone - so at least I know I'm not going mad now
Also, Geo TV just reported quoting Pakistan's Ambassador to Washington General(R) Durrani that first F-16s will start arriving Pakistan in two years. He never mentioned which versions will be coming first.
Per Ambassador, the naval ships and some other weapons system should also be getting in Pakistan very shortly.
Regards.
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PIA's Fokkers temporarily replaced by PAF's C-130 Hercules aircraft
Not really a military news. After the recent fokker crash, which killed 45 people, PIA has grounded the remaining 6 Fokkers & has borrowed C-130s from the PAF to fill the gap till new ATR-42 aircrafts are inducted.
Here is a short news from GEO (Pakistan)
Its funny though. C-130 for transport & fokker for cargo.
Here is a short news from GEO (Pakistan)
Its funny though. C-130 for transport & fokker for cargo.
Dont know about that .. these are sort of emergency measures.aaaditya said:
Already done. The 1st civilian transport C-130 flew today. I think only 1 or 2 C-130 will perform the job. There are two new ATR-45 in service while 4 or 5 are to be delivered. Two are suppose to be delivered any time soon this year. Once they arive, the C-130 would return to their military tasks. [Plus, the 4 or 5 SAAB-2000 aircrafts are suppose to join PIA by 2008]
depending on how the seats have been secured - and depending on how many seats there are, approx 1 hr min to 4 hrs.aaaditya said:
combo transports are built to have a high turn around for role switching. the seats are usually cam locked, so spinning the cam releases the seat frame from the guide rails.
voila! instant empty space.
I believe the C-130s will be used exclusively for the Northern areas where Boeing-737s cannot land. All other airports will be served by the 737 and ATR-45.
C-130s have been used previously to support the Northern areas when they are totally cut off from the rest of the country during the winters, though not as passenger aircrafts.
C-130s have been used previously to support the Northern areas when they are totally cut off from the rest of the country during the winters, though not as passenger aircrafts.
Us Congress Hearing on F-16 sale
International Relations committee of the US Congress has postponed the hearing to consider the sale of F-16s and related items to Pakistan indefinitely. Meeting was to take place on July 13th. No further date was announced.
I think it is a done deal now. The sale is supposed to close within 30 days after Congress is notified. Congress does not have enough time now to block the deal.
International Relations committee of the US Congress has postponed the hearing to consider the sale of F-16s and related items to Pakistan indefinitely. Meeting was to take place on July 13th. No further date was announced.
I think it is a done deal now. The sale is supposed to close within 30 days after Congress is notified. Congress does not have enough time now to block the deal.
F-16 sale to Pakistan hits snag in Congress
It looks like there is congress is asking some question regarding the deal.
I think this is a temporary snag, which will be cleared by State department. The law makers are not opposed to the deal per se.
It looks like there is congress is asking some question regarding the deal.
How is 'End use monitoring' is enforced? Does that mean stationing of US monitors in Pakistani Air bases?
I think this is a temporary snag, which will be cleared by State department. The law makers are not opposed to the deal per se.
US Congress reschedules review on Pak's F-16 deal
Pshamim,
It looks like Congress has rescheduled hearing to July 20th.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1743847,00050001.htm
Pshamim,
It looks like Congress has rescheduled hearing to July 20th.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1743847,00050001.htm
Agian I think its only congress expressing its unhappiness with the way deal was presented to it and trying to show its power. They may insert a clause for end use monitoring. Could some one shed some light on how this is enforced?
fightermki
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Admin Edit!Un substantiated journalistic dirrhoea is not tolerated here.why is pakistan not getting blk60 that uae got. pakistan should get them and form elite units and get f16's from europe as a fill gap,because i really think numers are also important but u cant neglect technology. and what about radar ,engine,electronic warfare systems of fc1 long time , no news.
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Not true. Care to provide some evidence and proof on this? Also, tell us what EXACTLY did Pakistan give to China? What component of the F-16?fightermki said:
We had pretty nice discussion on this issue few months back and there is no proof of Pakistan providing "any" tech to China let alone F-16. There is no evidence or proof that supports the CLAIM that Pakistan provided sensitive F-16 technology to China or that China may have requested such tech from Pakistan. It is all based on stories and fantasies cooked behind office cubicles and mere speculation. Unless you can substantiate your claims (be it about transfering tech or otherwise), I suggest you keep it to yourself. :roll
If China had the "F-16 technology" why would it be spending all its time on fighters like J-10 and JF-17? AFAIK, they don't resemble anything like F-16s, one is said to be copy of lavi and other of Mig-33.
The blame game needs to end - from AIDS epidemic to terrorism, blame it all on Pakistan - nice, easy, juicy Muslim target!
fightermki
There is no solid evidence that Pakistan leased/gave/sold an F-16 to China; there are other ways for China's aviation industry to become as advanced as it is. It had legal access to lots of technologies in the 1980s, it had conducted massive R&D during the '80s, '90s and even now. Not everything revolves around nation X giving nation Y a late 1970s aircraft - which somehow nation Y magically creates a fighter comparable to a 21st century aircraft!
This F-16 package is worth 5bn USD and will definitely not be ignored by other suppliers such as Dassault and EADS. Either way Pakistan isn't going to lose anything - just that this F-16 deal gives it the biggest bang for the buck. However at 140mn USD per aircraft, PAF could get 36 fully loaded Rafales for 5bn USD; and it would not make Pakistan any less of a threat.
As for JF-17 - well there is enough news out there.
There is no solid evidence that Pakistan leased/gave/sold an F-16 to China; there are other ways for China's aviation industry to become as advanced as it is. It had legal access to lots of technologies in the 1980s, it had conducted massive R&D during the '80s, '90s and even now. Not everything revolves around nation X giving nation Y a late 1970s aircraft - which somehow nation Y magically creates a fighter comparable to a 21st century aircraft!
This F-16 package is worth 5bn USD and will definitely not be ignored by other suppliers such as Dassault and EADS. Either way Pakistan isn't going to lose anything - just that this F-16 deal gives it the biggest bang for the buck. However at 140mn USD per aircraft, PAF could get 36 fully loaded Rafales for 5bn USD; and it would not make Pakistan any less of a threat.
As for JF-17 - well there is enough news out there.
FighterMKI;fightermki said:
Your post has no base, no facts, no information & no truth in them. Instead I smell "flames" here.
Pakistan never gave F-16s technology to China. When you have limited number of your front line fighters and the producing country is also not willing to sell further units, you just dont rip apart your front line fighters and transfer its tech to other country. It would be a foolish attempt to decrease unit numbers of your front lin fighters.
Pakistan had 40 F-16s. One was shot down over Afghanistan in a friendly fire by another PAF F-16. Out of remaing 39 F-16, 3 broke off on the runway while either attempting to take off or land, this was due to lack of spares. But those broken off F-16s were used by PAC engineers to study and develop (& overhaul) the remaining 36 F-16s. However, those 3 F-16s with all the avionics still intact are still present at PAC, Kamra and have never left the country. These aircrafts were also visited by US defence & Lockheed-Martin team about some times back.
All this talk abt Pak giving China F-16 is nothing but Indian BS.
And exactly which Chinese fighter looks like F-16? J-10/F-10 is a development based on the Israeli Levi project & has adopted its looks from it. JF-17's look is no where near F-16. Look at PT-4's pics. Yes there are some similarities, but what do expect when one part of the development team has had an extensive study of F-16s. Apart from all this, F-16 is a conventional wing aircraft, J-10 & JF-17 are delta wing aircrafts.
Why Pakistan did not get Blk 60E/F. Simple, high cost. Besides that Blk 60E/F are designed for UAE airforce and according to UAE's requirement (Just like Mirage2000-9). The latest export version, however still remains Block 52+ C/D.
Yes AIDs epidemic ... its one of the biological weapons Pakistan has successfuly developed. LOL
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It is pathetic when rumors are spread by certain interst groups and then used as facts by those who are totally ignorant and basically have no knowledge about the history. Transfer of a F-16 by Pakistan to China is one of those rumors and now believed as factual by many anti Pakistan/China Groups.
The post by FighterMKi is an example of this ignorance and a crude attempt to malign Pakistan.
How about Lavi, co-developed by Israel and United Staes along with associated secret technologies. It cost $6.4 Billion Dollars in 1983, 40% of which was paid for by US AID. It even flew and passed mission requirements.
The whole design and technology and its secrets were sold to China. Lavi's Design, speed and stealthiness were superior to even F-16s but I never hear these anti Pakistan elements ever complaining about it. Of course they are friends of Israel or use it to get their hand on its technology be it Barak, Phalcon and etc.etc. But they have no courage to tell the truth. Lying, cheating, and blaming Pakistan has become the 2nd nature for them.
They never take responsibilty for their problems as blaming Pakistan is more easier.
The post by FighterMKi is an example of this ignorance and a crude attempt to malign Pakistan.
How about Lavi, co-developed by Israel and United Staes along with associated secret technologies. It cost $6.4 Billion Dollars in 1983, 40% of which was paid for by US AID. It even flew and passed mission requirements.
The whole design and technology and its secrets were sold to China. Lavi's Design, speed and stealthiness were superior to even F-16s but I never hear these anti Pakistan elements ever complaining about it. Of course they are friends of Israel or use it to get their hand on its technology be it Barak, Phalcon and etc.etc. But they have no courage to tell the truth. Lying, cheating, and blaming Pakistan has become the 2nd nature for them.
They never take responsibilty for their problems as blaming Pakistan is more easier.
pshamim said:
I don't think Pakistan will risk sharing F-16 technology with China, they have too much to loose by antagonizing USA. However these questions are being asked by US congressman (both democratic and republican)..why are you guys dragging India in to this? Indian govt. did not accuse Pakistan of giving the F-16 technology to China. Why should India give a damn about israel giving Lavi technology to China? We paid for Phalcon/Barak and got it. If not them then we would have got it from elsewhere.
Because it was Indian media that started exploiting this [& the fightermki (indian member) attempted to pursue it again in his above post]. Washington went on Alarm on these reports & sent a Defence team, along with Lockheed-Martin. Only to find 35 F-16s on runway & 3 three broken down but with all the avionics and equipment still intact on the aircrafts. At the end their report their report suggested no tech/avionics were missing & no tech exchange/transfer took place.