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fieldmarshal

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Two F-16s arrive in Pakistan

Two American F-16s fighter planes arrive Pakistan


link http://jang.com.pk/thenews/

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan today received two F-16s fighter jets from the United States, Pakistan Air Force (PAF) announced here.

The two F-16s provided by United States of America have arrived in Pakistan, Tuesday, a PAF statement said.

President Pervez Musharraf said on November 4 that Pakistan would postpone the purchase of the jets from the US to focus on quake relief and rehabilitation work.

Pakistan and the United States later reached an understanding which allows Islamabad to temporarily delay a deal to purchase F-16 fighter jets.

It is not clear whether the arrival of the two F-16 planes was part of some 70 F-16 planes, Pakistan had earlier planned to get from the United States.

These F-16s are of the same category, which are already operating with Pakistan Air Force, the PAF statement said.

The purchase of these F-16s from USA was finalized a few months ago, the statement added.

Pakistan had requested a purchase of F-16s back in the mid-1980s, but the United States barred the sale of the planes in 1990 after suspicions mounted that Pakistan was clandestinely producing a nuclear weapon.

Pakistan's testing of its nuclear weapon in May 1998 changed the complexion of the legislation that banned the United States from sending military aid to Pakistan unless the US president certified that Pakistan had no nuclear weapons.

The go-ahead by the Bush administration in March to sell F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan was seen as a reward for Musharraf's cooperation in the fight against terror.

The news that the White House had lifted the restriction on the sale of the fighter jets earlier this year was met with euphoria in Pakistan and was dubbed as a success story by the media.

The Bush administration had said earlier that it was Pakistan's prerogative to move forward with the three billion dollar fighter jet purchase.
 

SABRE

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fieldmarshal said:



It is not clear whether the arrival of the two F-16 planes was part of some 70 F-16 planes, Pakistan had earlier planned to get from the United States.
The two F-16s are gap fillers for the current fleet. The two will fill in for the two other F-16s which will go for MLU after their return another two would be sent & this will go on till all 35 F-16s are MLUed. After the MLU is completed these two will stay with PAF permanently to fill the gap of the 5 lost aircrafts (originaly 40 not 35) taking the fleet to 37 operational fighters while (as you know) instead of buying 3 more to make it 40 PAF is going to buy 70+.

Since they are to stay here I think they are the part of 70+ deal.

I believe that the 2nd hand aircrafts arrival will not be delayed. They are basicaly for free & Pakistan only has to pay for their MLU.
 

aaaditya

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SABRE said:
The two F-16s are gap fillers for the current fleet. The two will fill in for the two other F-16s which will go for MLU after their return another two would be sent & this will go on till all 35 F-16s are MLUed. After the MLU is completed these two will stay with PAF permanently to fill the gap of the 5 lost aircrafts (originaly 40 not 35) taking the fleet to 37 operational fighters while (as you know) instead of buying 3 more to make it 40 PAF is going to buy 70+.

Since they are to stay here I think they are the part of 70+ deal.

I believe that the 2nd hand aircrafts arrival will not be delayed. They are basicaly for free & Pakistan only has to pay for their MLU.
so sabre are any pictures available of these f-16's and are they equipped with the amraam and the aim9x.
 

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aaaditya said:
so sabre are any pictures available of these f-16's and are they equipped with the amraam and the aim9x.
  • No pictures.
  • No information on their configuration & upgrades.
  • No information on their weapon system.
 

webmaster

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Fieldmarshal, you already posted this news few days ago and it was merged with PAF thread. SO what if Two F-16 have arrived? When will we see PAF invading India? Sheesh! :roll Stop turning PAF into some type of a joke for "Allaah's" sake and I know you are excited so are other PAF buffs but two F-16s is not a big deal.
 
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fieldmarshal

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Islamic world’s 1st fighter jet

Islamic world’s 1st fighter jet
Faruk Ashrafeen

link http://pakobserver.net/200512/14/Articles02.asp

Pakistan has started indigenous production of JF-17 Thunder “billed as the Islamic world’s first fighter jet†which will be inducted into Pakistan Air Force by December, 2006. “We are ready to export the aircraft to friendly countries, especially the Arab States,†disclosed Air Marshal Aurangzeb Khan, Chairman of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Board, in an interview with Khaleej Times, at the conclusion of the Dubai 2005 Air Show. The manufacturing of all weather JF-17 Thunder, a multi-role and light weight fighter aircraft, marks a significant milestone towards technological advancement by the PAC.
Pakistan launched some years back the mega production project of JF-17 Thunder aircraft that can also be considered a little replacement of America’s multi-role F-16 warplane. The project is a joint Pakistani-China venture, which is another token of “deeper than oceans and higher than mountains friendship†between the two countries. President Pervez Musharraf described the project as a giant leap towards indigenization and self-reliance, saying, Pakistan will maintain minimum level of defensive deterrence in both conventional and unconventional fields, as it wants peace with dignity and honour. “Pakistan has come a long way and stands at the threshold of a major leap forward by acquiring indigenous capability of manufacturing the JF-17 aircraft, which will form the backbone of Pakistan Air Force,†he had said at the launch of JF-17 project. The requirement of a new medium-tech combat aircraft for the PAF was dictated by the need to replace its ageing medium-tech fleet of F-6s, F-7s, A-5s and Mirages. There has also been a growing feeling as to what would happen if Pakistan is unable to get the promised US multi-role F-16s. Thank God the US government has formally announced the sale of F-16 aircraft to Pakistan, no matter Pakistan has announcement deferment of the purchase, for the time being, under the crucial situation after the October 8 earthquake. However, in anticipation of this reality, Pakistan Air Force had been looking for a suitable replacement fighter that could be afforded in large numbers and could match the performance of the aircraft on the adversary’s inventory. “Pakistan stands for peace but jealously guards its sovereignty. We want peace but we want it with honour and dignity,†said the President, adding, Pakistan has evaluated requirements of its Armed Forces for the next 15 years. This identification of certain targets for Pakistan Air Force was based on the pretext that in the wake of US betrayal to its commitment on F-16s, the indigenous acquisition of high-tech JF-17 Thunder aircraft was a must for Pakistan Air Force.
The Sino-Pak JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft (previously known as Super-7) joint venture was started in February 1992, when the China Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) invited PAF to invest in the Super-7 programme in return for full participation in design and development phase, with exclusive co-production rights of up to 59 per cent of the Super-7 airframe. The PAF evaluated this offer and got the government’s approval in October 1994.
JF-17 is a lightweight, multi-role day-night, all weather fighter with maximum TO weight 12,700kg, maximum speed 1.7M, ceiling 16,500m, maximum weapon load 3,900kg, range 3,000km. It is equipped with a Russian engine (probably RD-33, that powers MiG-29). PAF’s version would carry a European avionics suite that includes a multi-mode Pulse Doppler radar, INS (Inertial Navigation System), multi-function displays etc and is expected to fulfil 70 per cent of PAF operation requirements. The warplane is designed to be fitted with vast array of weaponry. Weapon load includes short and medium range AAMs (Anti-Air Missiles) like AIM-9P/PL-9/Magic 2 and PL-11/Aspide/AIM-7E etc. In addition to that it includes new FBW system and a true BVR attack capability, which will allow Pakistan Air Force to have a major strategic upper hand over Indian Air Force.
The first flight of the aircraft took place on September 04, 2003 in China. A considerable number of PAF engineers and pilots participated in the development phase. This multi-role aircraft can fly at a top speed of Mach 1.6 and has a high thrust-to-weight ratio. It is capable of carrying high and low-drag bombs, laser-guided bombs, runway penetration bombs and cluster bombs. The technology used in this aircraft is matched only by the F-16 aircraft. Like F-16, it is able to engage targets at all speeds and altitudes with the conventional envelope. The project cost is $450 million, compared to $1.5billion for the Indian Lightweight Combat Aircraft (LCA). The JF-17 project completed in 11 years from the time China offered to co-produce the aircraft, while the Indian LCA project was still not complete even after 20 years. The production cost of the aircraft was a an estimated $15 million per plane, and it would be able to fly for 30 years with a regular upgrade of its systems every five years. In line with Government’s policy of diversification, Pakistan is looking for other options of the state-of-the-art fighter planes. With the induction of the state-of-the-art fighter planes Pakistan Air Force will become a force to reckon with. The indigenisation of JF-17 will lead to several benefits including acquisition of advanced technology and expertise, self-reliance capability, enhancement of growth in the private sector, creation of job opportunities, poverty reduction and socio-economic development of the area. JF-17 aircraft is bracketed higher among the medium technology fighter planes and would form the backbone for Pakistan Air Force. The JF-17 aircraft contributes very much to the conventional balance and is a manifestation of Pakistan’s strategy of defensive deterrence. It would replace old generation of fighter planes and will be a mainstay of the air force. 50 per cent of the airframe and all the avionics would be manufactured in Pakistan.
“At the PAC in Kamra, Pakistan, we are doing 58 per cent of the airframe and majority of the avionics in addition to stuffing, final assembling and flight testing,†Khaleej Times quoted Air Marshal Aurangzeb Khan as saying. He said “at this time we are producing the fighter jet in small batches. Four aircraft would handed over to the Pakistan Air Force in March 2007, which will induct a total of 150 fighter jets. The serial production would start in 2008.†Pakistan Aeronautical Complex has also signed a contract with the Boeing Company of the US for manufacturing of parts for Boeing 747, 676 and 777 aircraft. This achievement is attributed to the ability of PAC to aquire International Aerospace Standard AS 9100 Rev B, ISO – 9001:2000 and Boeign Quality Management System (BQMS). PAC is the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) of Mushshak 17-1 aircraft, Super Mushshak aircraft and JF-17 aircraft. The Mushshak 17-1 aircraft has been issued Type Acceptance by South African Civil Aviation Authority. The aircraft shall be used to impart primary flying training to ab-initio student pilots in South Africa.
At the Dubai 2005 Air Show, Pakistan’s trainer aircraft Super Mushshak, used for primary flying training and civil/safari flying, and Karakuram-8, jet trainer for basic and advanced flying training with multi-role mission capability, took part in static display and aerobatics.
 

EthanXH58

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Thanks to the Super Web Administrator for taking my entire thread line and burrying it in this thread. THANK!!!!
 

kashifshahzad

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Good news that Pakistan has received 2 F-16s but i am sad that they are the same old type A and B models but if they were from C-D model then i would have been happy.
I have always ssaid that why all people forget the Iranian fighter, it dosent matter that how they made that but they did made a fighter.
 

aaaditya

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WebMaster said:
F10? WTH?

Only F* I know in PAF vocabulary is F16 or maybe the J10, there is no F10, aaaditya. :roll

Full discussion here:
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3751

Enjoy reading all the pages. Locking before this "cherry" picking fighter jets for PAF gets out of the hand.
i meant j-10,i believe j stands for jianjjijji which i believe is the chinese for fighter.
 

siresoul

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Re: Two F-16s arrive in Pakistan

aaaditya said:
so sabre are any pictures available of these f-16's and are they equipped with the amraam and the aim9x.
here's a pic

ISLAMABAD - December 13, 2005: Pakistan Air Force and US officers pose for photograph with one of the two F-16 aircraft after their arrival at the Chaklala airbase on Tuesday. The two F-16s are of the same category which are already operating with Pakistan Air Force. The purchase of the F-16s from US was finalized a few months ago.

http://www.dawn.com.pk/2005/12/14/SlideShow/pic13.jpg
 

fieldmarshal

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Both the F-16 provided to PAF have been through MLU

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 Daily Times



By Mohammad Imran

ISLAMABAD: Two upgraded F-16 Fighting Falcons landed in Pakistan on Tuesday. The US has provided the aircraft to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF).

The F-16s are of the same category that the PAF is already operating. The purchase of the aircraft was finalised with the US several months ago, a press release stated.

“The two F-16s were of the A and B category, which the PAF is already operating,” sources told Daily Times. They said the aircraft were handed over to the PAF after a deal in September.

They said only four F-16s of the A and B category were in extra stock of the US Air Force and two of them had been given to Pakistan. The jets had been made operational after being passed through the Mid Life Up Grade Programme.Sources said the F-16s had nothing to do with the deal of 75 F-16s, which had been demanded by Pakistan for a long time. “This is a separate deal. Pakistan purchased the two F-16s after negotiations with US authorities. The US Congress had approved the deal,” they said. Reports stated that senior PAF officers were expecting that the two F-16s would be gifted to the PAF, but the PAF had to purchase them

Where is the link?
 
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pshamim

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fieldmarshal said:
Both the F-16 provided to PAF have been through MLU

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 Daily Times
By Mohammad Imran

Pakistan purchased the two F-16s after negotiations with US authorities. The US Congress had approved the deal,†they said. Reports stated that senior PAF officers were expecting that the two F-16s would be gifted to the PAF, but the PAF had to purchase them

Where is the link?
Pure speculation and not even close to the truth. These two F-16s were free and Pakistan did not have to pay. The following report is more factual:

Two F-16 Falcons complete with latest upgrades delivered to Pakistan
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_004459.php

HILL AIR FORCE BASE, Utah, December 14, 2005 1[/B][/COLOR]2:15
Upgrades completed at Hill facility

In the early 1980s, the Pakistan air force received its first delivery of F-16 aircraft from the United States - the maintenance support for which has been as unpredictable as world politics ever since.

It wasn't until late 2003 that the U.S. agreed to provide an assessment of Pakistan's existing F-16 fleet and suggest upgrades, including spares and other support requirements.

Today, it's an important relationship given the global war on terror and Pakistan's crucial role geographically, if not militarily, in support of U.S. national security interests.

http://www.blackanthem.com/scitech/military_2005121403b.jpgLt. Col. Mujahid Khan, Pakistani F-16 support program liaison here at Hill, inspects the landing gear wheel well of one of the two F-16s being transferred to his nation. (Air Force photo by G. A. Volb)According to Mr. Carlos Romero, 508th Fighter Sustainment Group F-16 logistics management specialist at Hill Air Force Base, Utah, the relationship has grown to the point where Congress approved the delivery of two more F-16s to Pakistan - gratis; two complete fighters with the latest avionics and mechanical upgrades authorized for the country. The aircraft departed Hill's runway 1 a.m., Dec. 8 en route to Pakistan with two American pilots on board.

"Essentially, we reconfigured the aircraft to meet the current baseline for Pakistan," said Mr. Thomas Hutchinson, F-16 maintenance planner for the 309th Aircraft Maintenance Group located at Hill AFB, "which is well above that of the early 90s aircraft currently sitting on their ramps."

Mr. Hutchinson said the configuration included an anti-skid system, new HAV-quick radio upgrade and several days of repainting - Pakistani national colors and emblems - on the aircraft.

"If I had to compare them to their current fleet, I'd have to say they're going to be extremely happy to have these two jets," said Mr. Hutchinson. Both aircraft are the product of a defense program known as EDA or Excess Defense Articles.

"The aircraft were deemed as excess defense articles and removed from two separate units in Florida and California," said Mr. Romero. "However, they were still flown by United States Air Force pilots through a controlled route until they reached Pakistan."

Excess Defense Articles are those the Department of Defense determines are no longer needed by the U.S. Armed Forces. Such defense articles, according to Mr. Romero, may be made available for sale under the Foreign Military Sales Program or as a grant to eligible foreign countries under the provisions of the Foreign Assistance Act. In this particular case, the aircraft were a grant to Pakistan for supporting U.S. efforts in the war on terrorism.

Mr. Romero said the trip took four days, the planes not officially turned over until signed for and the national colors unveiled on Pakistani soil.

It's then that the two modified F-16s became Pakistani resources. It's something the Pakistani Foreign Liaison Officer for sustainment of their F-16 fleet here says thinks they'll be well received.

"I wouldn't want to say how many we have in our current inventory," said Pakistani Air Force Lt. Col. Mujahid Khan, "but we looked forward to the arrival of these two aircraft."

By G. A. Volb
Ogden Air Logistics Center Public Affairs

http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_004459.php
 
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umair

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Air Cmdr Syed Hassan Raza. That's my best friend's dad there.
 

fieldmarshal

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Friday, December 16, 2005 Daily Times


By Umer Farooq

ISLAMABAD: The mid-life upgrade (MLU) programme for Pakistan Air Force’s F-16 fleet will start in the first quarter of next year, defence sources told Daily Times.

The US-assisted MLU programme will help enhance the operational capabilities and reliability of the F-16s, as the fleet will undergo structural and avionics up-gradation under this programme.

In the Pakistan-US defence consultations during the last one-year, the US government has agreed to include PAF’s F-16s in the MLU programme, which the US had started for the air forces of its allied countries back in early 1990s.

Pakistan had started negotiating with the United States for up-gradation of its F-16s’ fleet back in 2003. The sources said that an offer finally came last year during the defence consultative group’s meetings.

The MLU was first developed by the United States in 1991 to enhance the operational capabilities and operational effectiveness of the plane by equipping it with the latest technology. Since the start of the MLU programme, the F-16s serving in the air forces of Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway have undergone up-gradation. Initially, the option was offered only to NAT0 members. The programme was extended to some non-NATO countries in the last two years. Royal Jordonian Air Force’s F-16s are currently undergoing up-gradation under it.

Experts said the MLU was aimed at improving the system reliability and supportability. Under this program the Pakistani F-16s would also undergo improvement in the cockpit performance, sensors and weapons. Pakistan had received the F-16s Block 15, A/B in the late 80s as a prize for participating in the Afghan war as a frontline state against the former Soviet Union.
 

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http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/subcontinent/2005/December/subcontinent_December687.xml&section=subcontinent&col=

‘No’ to VVIP aircraft deal
From our correspondent

19 December 2005


ISLAMABAD — The Defence Committee of the Senate has unanimously recommended to the government to cancel the deal for purchase of two VVIP aircraft and review the contract of SAAB aircraft with surveillance systems for the Pakistan Air Force from Sweden at a cost of over $1 billion.
The meeting was held here with Senator Nisar Memon in the chair to discuss a two-point agenda — the purchase of two planes for use by VVIPs and of Saab aircraft with surveillance systems from Sweden.
Though no official word was available on the recommendation of the committee, but Senator Rukhsana Zuberi confirmed to reporters that the committee recommended to the government to cancel the contract for purchase of two VVIP planes. She said the panel has also urged the government to review of the contract for SAAB surveillance plane.

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it would be disappointing to see this deal go bust.
 

pshamim

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I will not shed any tears for the two VVIP aircrafts. As far as the SAAB deal and Erieye are concerned, The Defence Committee has only recommended a "review". No need to worry about this deal.
 

SABRE

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This is an old news. Request has already been rejected.
 
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