Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions

[P.A.F]

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so what will be emphasis for these excercise ,pure airdefence or integerated operations with the army and the navy?:coffee

Basically try out new weapons. I believe that the new Mirages upgraded by SAGEM will take part as well as upgraded H-2 and H- bombs etc...
Also the military wants to evaluate itself in a real-time situation which is why 300+ aircraft will fly. also communications systems would be put to the test as well as many other things.

 

[kashifshahzad]

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Basically try out new weapons. I believe that the new Mirages upgraded by SAGEM will take part as well as upgraded H-2 and H- bombs etc...
Also the military wants to evaluate itself in a real-time situation which is why 300+ aircraft will fly. also communications systems would be put to the test as well as many other things.

P.A.F I think these are Hafar1 and Hafar-2 missiles i have seens its name but dont know the spec can you tell me the spec whether its a A2 ground or A2A ????

 

[P.A.F]

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P.A.F I think these are Hafar1 and Hafar-2 missiles i have seens its name but dont know the spec can you tell me the spec whether its a A2 ground or A2A ????

It is very confusing Kashif as some people say that they are A2A missiles whereas others say that they are A2G missiles. I myself have seen it on PTV that they are A2G missiles as they showed a video on it some time back.

 

[SABRE]

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As far as I know they are long range & medium range A2G Bombs/missiles. I also posted some thing on it on this very thread.

 

[kashifshahzad]

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As far as I know they are long range & medium range A2G Bombs/missiles. I also posted some thing on it on this very thread.

SABRE dont confuse me
Bombs fall free and hit the target
A2G missiles travel some distance and then hit the target
what is this new term A2G bombs?????
know about its range it it have greater range then why all people dont know about this and if it has smaller range then we have a lot like this in our inventory.I want to know the origin tooo

 

[pshamim]

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SABRE dont confuse me
Bombs fall free and hit the target
A2G missiles travel some distance and then hit the target
what is this new term A2G bombs?????
know about its range it it have greater range then why all people dont know about this and if it has smaller range then we have a lot like this in our inventory.I want to know the origin tooo

Kashif is right. Video is available for viewing if you PM me. Cant put the link here.

 

[SABRE]

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SABRE dont confuse me
Bombs fall free and hit the target
A2G missiles travel some distance and then hit the target
what is this new term A2G bombs?????
know about its range it it have greater range then why all people dont know about this and if it has smaller range then we have a lot like this in our inventory.I want to know the origin tooo

I am sorry I am confused my self.

I have made a mistake. I was refering to H-2 & H-1. I read they were BVR but it also says that its a bomb. Since bombs are free fall they cant be BVR so I my conclusion is that it is a missile.

I realy havent done on research on this & have been kinda sleepy for days. Preparing for commission...so made a mistake probably out of sleep. Sorry.

 

[aaaditya]

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are they glide bombs or conventional laser guided bombs(france has those type you know).:coffee

 

[armage]

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You can also see all types of AC's here F-16's,F-7's,A-5's caz i live near Chaklala Base

Must be pretty loud sometimes uh?
Can anybody explain what the Mirage ROSE upgrade is?

 

[Salman78]

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we haven't rejected them so calm down a little. all i'm saying is that PAF officials have said many times that the F-16 is just a flying box without the good weapons systems and avionics. they have also said that we would only go through with the deal provided that PAF gets the avionics and weapon systems specified. These are the brand new block 50/52's i'm talking about by the way.

F-16 is a box without any good weapons and avionics ?. I am sure you are not talking about any 'OFFICIAL' PAF official. No sane PAF 'official' would utter such garbage, that too, many times!!!.. Impossible

PAF is dying to get its hand on Block 52's. not literally but quite close

Dude... think for a second before you say anything about the F-16. Enough have been said and proven for and by this little f****r...


F-16 is a box without any good weapon and avionics <--- preposterous

 

[chaoticsensatio]

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It is very confusing Kashif as some people say that they are A2A missiles whereas others say that they are A2G missiles. I myself have seen it on PTV that they are A2G missiles as they showed a video on it some time back.

Well as far as I know there are parts of this exercise.

1: Air Defence: main objective is to evaluate and develop an effective strategy to counter other party's air force in case of combat. also this excercise include using and testing of new tech , namingly BVRs and Jf-17.

2: Bombing Missions: this part of exercise includes track down and neutralize ground targets like SAM sites, Radar Sites, troops concentration and command and control. which also includes the testing of new laser guided bombs which newly developed by POF. I dont know the exact names of the bombs but let me explain their features. First bomb that is been develop is similar to neutron bomb but works differently, as before reaching the ground target it releases a cloud of fuel in the air and then detonates thus making a huge flame and burns all the oxygen in the air thus leaves a big area on the ground without oxygen for 3 - 5 minutes. but this bomb has been declared as chemical bomb and has been banned for sale. The second newly develop bomb also detonates about two meters above the ground and as 60,000 small metal sluggs in it, thus that bomb is very effective against soft targets especially infantry. these bomb were to be tested on Jf-17 also.

3:Coordinated Attack simulation: includes command and control, ECM, reduction of reaction time to a threat, and will be augmented with all three forces.

 

[P.A.F]

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F-16 is a box without any good weapons and avionics ?. I am sure you are not talking about any 'OFFICIAL' PAF official. No sane PAF 'official' would utter such garbage, that too, many times!!!.. Impossible

PAF is dying to get its hand on Block 52's. not literally but quite close

Dude... think for a second before you say anything about the F-16. Enough have been said and proven for and by this little f****r...


F-16 is a box without any good weapon and avionics <--- preposterous

Salman,
read my post carfully and use a little common sense. every aircraft is a flying box without the required weapons systems on bored. Now if the PAF has to defend the country from aircrafts like Su-30, mirage 2000, MiG-29 etc then where talking about top F-16s. where talking about AESA radars and top noch weapons systems as well as avionics dude. Now u tell me what use F-16 Block 52s are without the required weapons systems as to these Su-30MKIs etc...
So the Offical made this comment in context from the current situation.
Even the upgraded mirages in our fleet are more capable then our F-16s. So basically if we are to get F-16s then we want we ones that can defend the country properly. not the ones that just fly around stranded!!!

 

[aaaditya]

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Well as far as I know there are parts of this exercise.

1: Air Defence: main objective is to evaluate and develop an effective strategy to counter other party's air force in case of combat. also this excercise include using and testing of new tech , namingly BVRs and Jf-17.

2: Bombing Missions: this part of exercise includes track down and neutralize ground targets like SAM sites, Radar Sites, troops concentration and command and control. which also includes the testing of new laser guided bombs which newly developed by POF. I dont know the exact names of the bombs but let me explain their features. First bomb that is been develop is similar to neutron bomb but works differently, as before reaching the ground target it releases a cloud of fuel in the air and then detonates thus making a huge flame and burns all the oxygen in the air thus leaves a big area on the ground without oxygen for 3 - 5 minutes. but this bomb has been declared as chemical bomb and has been banned for sale. The second newly develop bomb also detonates about two meters above the ground and as 60,000 small metal sluggs in it, thus that bomb is very effective against soft targets especially infantry. these bomb were to be tested on Jf-17 also.

3:Coordinated Attack simulation: includes command and control, ECM, reduction of reaction time to a threat, and will be augmented with all three forces.

i think the bomb that you are mentioning is a fuel air explosive bomb these types of bombs are considered to be most powerfull conventional bombs and are frequently used by many countries as a low cost low effect substitutes to nukes,the latest they were used were by the us troops in afghanistan ,they are particularly effective in destroying people hiding in underground caves and bunkers,indians use them as one of the warheads on their prithvi missiles,they are also used as warheads on the russian smerch rocket launchers and maybe the chinese rocket launchers which are supposed to be comparable to the smerch,russians also have the tos rocket launcher which fires the chemicals.
it is definitely deadly but not as deadly as a neutron bomb would be(iam sure atleast cockroaches will survive).:coffee

 

[Temoor_A]

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i think the bomb that you are mentioning is a fuel air explosive bomb these types of bombs are considered to be most powerfull conventional bombs and are frequently used by many countries as a low cost low effect substitutes to nukes,the latest they were used were by the us troops in afghanistan ,they are particularly effective in destroying people hiding in underground caves and bunkers,indians use them as one of the warheads on their prithvi missiles,they are also used as warheads on the russian smerch rocket launchers and maybe the chinese rocket launchers which are supposed to be comparable to the smerch,russians also have the tos rocket launcher which fires the chemicals.
it is definitely deadly but not as deadly as a neutron bomb would be(iam sure atleast cockroaches will survive).:coffee

Air Fuel Bombs as large as "Daisy Cutter" of US Military are free-fall bombs and are huge for accomodation in war-heads of Ballistic Missiles. Especially the SRBM and MRBM category. You are confusing its size with War-heads of Missiles.

The Daisy Cutter is used to clear a large enough land for helicopter landings in rough regions (like forests and hilly regions) and elimination of big dug-in sites in mountains. Only 6 were used in Afghanistan Tora-bora region and they wreaked havok on that site!

 

[Hussain]

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I believe the neutron bomb emits neutron radiation without causing material loss and is not comparable to thermmoberic weapon (fuel air bombs-FAB) or atomic/conventional nuclear bombs. If Pakistan has developed FAB to be carried by small fighters then it is indeed a remarkable achievement as I believe powerful FAB are normally carried by strategic bombers or dropped on the back of Hercules (C130) type planes via parachute from the rear cargo bay. The F16 is a reliable platform and that's about it without the full electronics and weapons options. In modern warfare against the likes of Rafael, Eurofighter, Mirage 2000-9, Gripen and upgraded SU27 and even upgraderd BVR Mirage 3's/F1's series it would be a dead duck. Pakistan shouldn't depend too much on the F16 but think about buying SU27's for long range intercept and bombing roles. Pakistan merely needs to upgrade the radar/ECM systems. The radar can be upgraded from existing Russian radars or purchased vis FIAR or Thales. Almost any modern fighter radar can fit into the large nose of the SU27. Pakistan then can just purchase small amount of Rafaels for special mission roles such as intercepts near Pakistan's borders during initial skirmishing phases of a war and also act as a command post like some modified SU27's. Pakistan can then continue to develop the F1 and try to purcghase the F10. China produces the su27 and can assist Pakistan in purchasing them directly from China. If Pakistan has produced a small FAB's then a handful of SU27 in the bombing and strike role can virtually cripple the Indian Army in a matter of hours. Only the SU27 (J11) has the capacity to undertake such roles . The F16 certainly hasn't.

 

[SABRE]

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Pak Navy Chief has signed the agreement with US Navy for three (3) P3C-Orion AirCrafts. US Navy is to give their P3C Orions for free but Pakistan will pay for its upgrading of avionics.

 

[P.A.F]

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a little correction SABRE. its 8 P-3C orions.
http://www.pakistanlink.com/Headlines/Aug05/31/07.htm

Pakistan acquires eight P-3C Orion U.S aircraft

KARACHI Aug 31 : Pakistan Navy has acquired eight P-3C Orion aircraft from United States, spokesman of Pakistan Navy said on Wednesday.

“The title of these aircraft has been shifted to PN with signing of the transfer documents by the representatives of US and Pakistan Navies, making the aircraft a property of the government of Pakistan,†a Navy statement said.

Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah has termed acquiring of the aircraft a significant achievement, the statement said.

He expressed his confidence that the induction of these aircrafts would augment PN capability to actively monitor its areas of interest at sea and add a new dimension to the offensive punch of Pakistan Navy fleet.

He said that provision of these aircrafts is indicative of strong Pak-US relations and hoped that the defence cooperation between the navies to two countries would further increase in times to come.

These aircraft would be fitted with modern avionics and mission system by M/s Lockheed Martin, the manufacture of P-3C Orion, according to the statement.

“The aircraft are being provided free of cost by the US Navy and the expenses for modification of aircraft avionics systems will be met mostly from the US military aidâ€.

P-3C Orion is a long range maritime patrol aircraft with an endurance of about 18 hours and can carry Harppon missile.

With the induction of eight P-3Cs, the existing fleet of PN-P-3Cs will grow up to 10 aircrafts. Two P-3Cs already with PN are presently undergoing overhaul in Pakistan with US assistance and are expected to be operational by the end of this year.

 

[P.A.F]

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another link just to clarify.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-08/31/content_3427272.htm



Pakistan navy acquires 8 US P-3C Orion aircraftwww.chinaview.cn 2005-08-31 19:06:41




ISLAMABAD, Aug. 31 (Xinhuanet) -- Pakistan Navy (PN) has acquired eight P-3C Orion aircraft from the United States, said a PN statement issued Wednesday in the southern port city of Karachi.

The title of these aircraft has been shifted to PN with signing of the transfer documents by the representatives of both sides, making the aircraft a property of the government of Pakistan, the statement said.

P-3C Orion is a long range maritime patrol aircraft with an endurance of about 18 hours and can carry Harpoon missile.

These aircraft will be fitted with modern avionics and mission system by Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer of P-3C Orion, according to the statement.

The aircraft are provided free of cost by the US Navy and the expenses for modification of aircraft avionics systems will be metmostly from the US military aid.

With the induction of eight P-3Cs, the existing PN fleet of P-3Cs will grow up to 10 aircraft PN Chief Admiral Shahid Karimullah has termed acquiring of the aircraft a significant achievement, the statement said. He expressed his confidence that the induction of these aircraft will augment PN's capability to actively monitor its areas of interest at sea and add a new dimension to the offensive punch of PN fleet. Enditem

http://english.people.com.cn/200508/31/eng20050831_205615.html


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i've posted the same in the navy section so discuss it there.
http://www.pakistanlink.com/Headlines/Aug05/31/07.htm

 

[ashblackhawk]

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Hi,
Are this aircrafts new ? Any word on its service life remaining ? any word on joint production or TOT ? Can they be modified to perform as bombers for ground attack i mean carrying a N-warhead ? I think P3-C's have high operating cost !!
Thanks :coffee

 

[Temoor_A]

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Hi,
Are this aircrafts new ? Any word on its service life remaining ? any word on joint production or TOT ? Can they be modified to perform as bombers for ground attack i mean carrying a N-warhead ? I think P3-C's have high operating cost !!
Thanks :coffee

Some will be brand new. Some will be 2nd hand and our OLD ones will be upgraded as well.