Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions
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After Mushaq there are FT-5 or 6, T-37 which are being replaced by K-8. These aircrafts give you sub-sonice & super sonic training aswell as fighting training.
Super Mushahq only teaches you how to fly. Its the basic of flying you wont be able to fly fighter jet after getting training on Mushaq, it has nothing similar in it to a fighter.kashifshahzad said:
After Mushaq there are FT-5 or 6, T-37 which are being replaced by K-8. These aircrafts give you sub-sonice & super sonic training aswell as fighting training.
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They can be used for initial training on how to use SD-10. But I think PAF would like Pilots to have their first taste of SD-10 on JF-17.
Well yeahP.A.F said:well if you read the last paragraph of the article then u will see that it says that the second batch carry PL-7 for air defence role
They can be used for initial training on how to use SD-10. But I think PAF would like Pilots to have their first taste of SD-10 on JF-17.
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http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-16/0508299432154012.htm
A large and complex war game by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) code-named High Mark 2005 next month will be keenly watched by India, reports 'The Indian Express'.
High Mark 2005 will begin on September 7 and involve 350 military aircraft and 20 air bases including those on the border with India.
The air exercise is expected to verify crucial doctrinal tests endorsed by President Pervez Musharraf himself. The doctrines are aimed at transforming Pakistani Air Force into a primary assault force on par with the country's Army.
Indian sources said, "It is for the first time that they will have such a large mock deployment and it will be interesting to see how it goes. The establishment there has been working furiously on the air force concepts for the last three to four years. It must be said, however, that the IAF is conceptually more advanced at this stage." The aircraft to be used in the war game include the American-made F-16A/B and AH-1 Cobra chopper, Chinese F-7 and Q-5, French Mirage-III and IV, C-130 Hercules transporters, including UAVs, Pakistan Navy's P-3B Orions and Atlantiques.
The Sino-Pak JF-17 multirole fighter might also be fielded for combat postures in the exercise, the report said.
The exercise will see the PAF put newly honed beyond visual range (BVR), interdiction, air escort, ground attack and interception concepts through torture tests.
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we can expect to see some new toys being showcased.
http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-16/0508299432154012.htm
A large and complex war game by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) code-named High Mark 2005 next month will be keenly watched by India, reports 'The Indian Express'.
High Mark 2005 will begin on September 7 and involve 350 military aircraft and 20 air bases including those on the border with India.
The air exercise is expected to verify crucial doctrinal tests endorsed by President Pervez Musharraf himself. The doctrines are aimed at transforming Pakistani Air Force into a primary assault force on par with the country's Army.
Indian sources said, "It is for the first time that they will have such a large mock deployment and it will be interesting to see how it goes. The establishment there has been working furiously on the air force concepts for the last three to four years. It must be said, however, that the IAF is conceptually more advanced at this stage." The aircraft to be used in the war game include the American-made F-16A/B and AH-1 Cobra chopper, Chinese F-7 and Q-5, French Mirage-III and IV, C-130 Hercules transporters, including UAVs, Pakistan Navy's P-3B Orions and Atlantiques.
The Sino-Pak JF-17 multirole fighter might also be fielded for combat postures in the exercise, the report said.
The exercise will see the PAF put newly honed beyond visual range (BVR), interdiction, air escort, ground attack and interception concepts through torture tests.
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we can expect to see some new toys being showcased.
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The Chief of PAF said that he is looking forward to get "100" F-16 Falcon Jets in total. So the "75" seems to be contradicting.
And US has given us option to upgrade our old Block 15 F-16s as well. And all of the Jets will be BVR capable.
Apart from this, the armaments are most important because it gives the pilot a decisive edge he craves during battles. PAF is doing a good job in giving importance to this sector.
The Chief of PAF said that he is looking forward to get "100" F-16 Falcon Jets in total. So the "75" seems to be contradicting.
And US has given us option to upgrade our old Block 15 F-16s as well. And all of the Jets will be BVR capable.
Apart from this, the armaments are most important because it gives the pilot a decisive edge he craves during battles. PAF is doing a good job in giving importance to this sector.
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http://indiamonitor.com/news/readNews.jsp?ni=8438
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Pak mulls action on Indo-US N-deal[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Monday August 29, 2005,Islamabad: Pakistan has said it has not yet decided how to tackle the recent India-US deal to cooperate on the civilian nuclear energy. [/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"One option would be to oppose the deal and ask the US not to implement it. The other approach would be to ask them not to make it India-specific so that any country that fulfils the criterion for receiving such cooperation should receive it," Pakistan's Ambassador to the US Jehangir Karamat said.
Pakistan was seeking to further enhance its defence cooperation with the US and had asked for 100 F-16 aircraft from Washington he was quoted as saying at a meeting of the Washington Policy Analysis Group by media reports today.
The US, he said, was delivering two aircraft in December while the regular delivery would start in 2007.[/font]
http://indiamonitor.com/news/readNews.jsp?ni=8438
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Pak mulls action on Indo-US N-deal[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Monday August 29, 2005,Islamabad: Pakistan has said it has not yet decided how to tackle the recent India-US deal to cooperate on the civilian nuclear energy. [/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"One option would be to oppose the deal and ask the US not to implement it. The other approach would be to ask them not to make it India-specific so that any country that fulfils the criterion for receiving such cooperation should receive it," Pakistan's Ambassador to the US Jehangir Karamat said.
Pakistan was seeking to further enhance its defence cooperation with the US and had asked for 100 F-16 aircraft from Washington he was quoted as saying at a meeting of the Washington Policy Analysis Group by media reports today.
The US, he said, was delivering two aircraft in December while the regular delivery would start in 2007.[/font]
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I have always had an itch that PAF will take the number of F-16s to 150 atleast. 100+32 =132 F-16s now. 18 may come as advance version or 2nd hand MLU versions. I believe this my pend Pakistan's interest in purchasing ACs like Rafale or Gripen.
I have always had an itch that PAF will take the number of F-16s to 150 atleast. 100+32 =132 F-16s now. 18 may come as advance version or 2nd hand MLU versions. I believe this my pend Pakistan's interest in purchasing ACs like Rafale or Gripen.
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As far as i believe SABRE, PAF will get many of its F-16's from the 3 billion Aid package that the US has given to pakistan. Therefore i still think the options are still open for a effective number of gripen, rafale or another front line aircraft like ACM has repeatedly saidSABRE said:
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:coffee
150 - f-16's is a big number !! could increase the corresponding maintenance costs too. I think PAF is sure to increase these number as they find j-10 in engine controversy. Any word for joint production or Tot for f-16's !!P.A.F said:As far as i believe SABRE, PAF will get many of its F-16's from the 3 billion Aid package that the US has given to pakistan. Therefore i still think the options are still open for a effective number of gripen, rafale or another front line aircraft like ACM has repeatedly said
:coffee
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I think 150 F-16s for PAF is a perfect number. PAF still has the basic infrastructure for the F-16s for the cost for maintenance souldn't have to rise out of hand. So far there hasn't been any word of TOT or joint production. thats only been offered to India for the mean time.ashblackhawk said:
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We also bought ground support equipment from Iran after the Islamic Revolution. They were aquiring as many as 300 F-16s & their ground support equipment came before the ban too. They had the largest ground support after US. All of it sold to PAF. (Iranian f-16s were sold to Israel).
So far neither Pakistan nor PAC Kamra has shown interest in ToT, so dont know.
I dont think maintainance cost will increase. PAF has big maintaining facility & spare facilities for F-16. In 1990 we were planning on 72 F-16s. More Ground support & maintainance facility did arrrive before the ban.ashblackhawk said:
We also bought ground support equipment from Iran after the Islamic Revolution. They were aquiring as many as 300 F-16s & their ground support equipment came before the ban too. They had the largest ground support after US. All of it sold to PAF. (Iranian f-16s were sold to Israel).
So far neither Pakistan nor PAC Kamra has shown interest in ToT, so dont know.
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cheers :coffee
If this is the case, than we can safely assume the PAF ability to be on roll as soon as they start getting f-16's and also the upgraded versions of it. Any news about the block version of f-16's decided by PAF and weapons included. I mean is PAF going for BVRAAM's ? I think PAF is learning a lot from its east(chinese) and west(US, French) collaboration putting them to an advantage. Any information on AWACS/maritime petrol aircraft participating in latest war games of PAF ?SABRE said:
cheers :coffee
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PAF wants AESA Radar.
I would realy like to see a suprise fighter jet like J-10 to show up. It would be fun. May be Rafale or Gripen since they top PAF's evaluation list.
The whole purpose of program is to say farewell to old war doctorine & except the new one. We would also be saying good bye too some old ACs.
Oh yeah.ashblackhawk said:
Initial demand was Block 60E/F but we have settled on Block50/52+ C/D. Offcourse BVR is the real deal in it. With out it, its of no use. Also the Radar.
PAF wants AESA Radar.
P3B Orioms are participating (maritime petrol AC) .. no AWACs. Pakistan has not decided the platform yet. Navy is in favor of E2C Hawkeye, Air Force was in Erieye but now they are upgrading their evaluations to some thing like E3C.
I would realy like to see a suprise fighter jet like J-10 to show up. It would be fun. May be Rafale or Gripen since they top PAF's evaluation list.
The whole purpose of program is to say farewell to old war doctorine & except the new one. We would also be saying good bye too some old ACs.
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When did that happen ? PAF was not willing to reveal which version it wants but later it announced that they are interested in MLU and probably the block 50/52. But no block 60. It costs 100 million per unit and in that case PAF wont be able to acquire more then 40 aircrafts.
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So later it was revealed 55 Block 50/52+ with MLU of current fleet.
Anyways...I would still have liked to see 40 Block 60s. May be in future.
Its not public news...Block 60E/F was the most favored when US allowed the F-16 sell. Boys liked what UAE has. But to get more units PAF sacrafised Block 60 + del would have become an iritation between US & Pak.Oqaab said:
So later it was revealed 55 Block 50/52+ with MLU of current fleet.
Anyways...I would still have liked to see 40 Block 60s. May be in future.
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India to keenly watch PAF's `coming of age'
PTI
Mon, 29 Aug 2005, 13:37
NEW DELHI: A large and complex war game by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) next month is being seen by the IAF as “coming of age” of the PAF's tactical air doctrine.
The IAF will be watching closely the exercise - involving crucial doctrinal tests endorsed by General Pervez Musharraf himself - that will elevate the PAF to a primary assault force, on par with the country's Army.
High Mark 2005, which kicks off on September 7 (Air Force Day in Pakistan), will involve 350 military aircraft and 20 air bases, including those on the frontier with India. The exercise will see the PAF put newly-honed beyond visual range (BVR), interdiction, air escort, ground attack and interception concepts through torture tests.
Sources at the Air HQ here said, “It is for the first time that they will have such a large mock deployment and it will be interesting to see how it goes. The establishment there has been working furiously on the air force concepts for the last three to four years. It must be said, however, that the IAF is conceptually more advanced at this stage.”
The aircraft to be used in the war game include the American-made F-16B and AH-1 Cobra chopper, Chinese F-7 and Q-5, French Mirage-III and IV, C-130 Hercules transporters and other support platforms, including UAVs, Pak Navy's P-3B Orions and Atlantiques. The Sino-Pak JF-17 multirole fighter might also be fielded for combat postures in the exercise, according to reports.
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http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_003197.php
I knew there were other excercises which would take place in this comming month i would be keen to see the pics of this excercise
India to keenly watch PAF's `coming of age'
PTI
Mon, 29 Aug 2005, 13:37
NEW DELHI: A large and complex war game by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) next month is being seen by the IAF as “coming of age” of the PAF's tactical air doctrine.
The IAF will be watching closely the exercise - involving crucial doctrinal tests endorsed by General Pervez Musharraf himself - that will elevate the PAF to a primary assault force, on par with the country's Army.
High Mark 2005, which kicks off on September 7 (Air Force Day in Pakistan), will involve 350 military aircraft and 20 air bases, including those on the frontier with India. The exercise will see the PAF put newly-honed beyond visual range (BVR), interdiction, air escort, ground attack and interception concepts through torture tests.
Sources at the Air HQ here said, “It is for the first time that they will have such a large mock deployment and it will be interesting to see how it goes. The establishment there has been working furiously on the air force concepts for the last three to four years. It must be said, however, that the IAF is conceptually more advanced at this stage.”
The aircraft to be used in the war game include the American-made F-16B and AH-1 Cobra chopper, Chinese F-7 and Q-5, French Mirage-III and IV, C-130 Hercules transporters and other support platforms, including UAVs, Pak Navy's P-3B Orions and Atlantiques. The Sino-Pak JF-17 multirole fighter might also be fielded for combat postures in the exercise, according to reports.
URL of this article:
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_003197.php
I knew there were other excercises which would take place in this comming month i would be keen to see the pics of this excercise
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According to one of my friend the fighters would scramble all over the country. Big cities will see them fly over them in various formations. You may also see Mirage-3 fight put F-7 or som thing like that over your house
According to one of my friend the fighters would scramble all over the country. Big cities will see them fly over them in various formations. You may also see Mirage-3 fight put F-7 or som thing like that over your house
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so what will be emphasis for these excercise ,pure airdefence or integerated operations with the army and the navy?:coffeeSABRE said:According to one of my friend the fighters would scramble all over the country. Big cities will see them fly over them in various formations. You may also see Mirage-3 fight put F-7 or som thing like that over your house
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You can also see all types of AC's here F-16's,F-7's,A-5's caz i live near Chaklala Base
You can also see all types of AC's here F-16's,F-7's,A-5's caz i live near Chaklala Base