Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions

[SABRE]

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seems pakistan airforce is once again interested in qatari mirages.

PAKISTAN OFFERS MILITARY GOODS TO QATAR
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ABU DHABI [MENL] -- Pakistan has resumed a drive to enter the military market in Qatar.

Pakistani and industry sources said Islamabad has offered to sell a range of air, ground and naval platforms and equipment to Qatar's military. They said Pakistan has also expressed strong interest in purchasing Qatar's fleet of Mirage 2000-5 fighter-jet fleet.

"Qatar has made enormous progress in recent years and we want to contribute towards Qatar's development," Pakistani Chief of Staff Gen. Ihsan Al Haq said.

Al Haq has been conducting a four-day visit to Qatar in which he discussed a range of military cooperation. He said Pakistan has sought to embark on defense and military joint ventures.

http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2005/august/08_25_4.html:coffee

Military equipment has been offered to almost every ME country by Pakistan. Pakistan chose to enter export market & offered military equipements it makes to friendly Countries. Qatar is not unique but part of that offer. KSA & UAE are alreasy buying Pakistani equipments. KSA is to buy Al-Khalid MBT aswell.

Since you have posted it in aviation forums I'll only say that Pakistan might have offered K-8 trainers.

Pakistan has also expressed strong interest in purchasing Qatar's fleet of Mirage 2000-5 fighter-jet fleet.

Last time I checked we backed off. The PAF guy who realy wanted Mirage2000s to replace Mirage3/5 in Karachi backed of in favor of F-16s to be stationed there.

If Qataris are re-offering than that means India is walking away after giving the highest bid. This would become swere diplomatic break down between Qatar & India.

 

[P.A.F]

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how many are they offering? if they offer it at a good price then pakistan should take them just to get the feel of them in pakistani territory. then we could buy newwer ones from france if we like them. but if not then gripen all the way!!!

 

[SABRE]

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how many are they offering? if they offer it at a good price then pakistan should take them just to get the feel of them in pakistani territory. then we could buy newwer ones from france if we like them. but if not then gripen all the way!!!

I was told that PAF has compeletly phased out Mirage2000 series after US allowed F-16 sell. PAF is more in favor of Gripens as well as Defence Ministry.
Even if we are to get Qatari Mirage2000 I doubt we'll by newer ones to add to them. But perhaps 2nd hands from whom ever & when ever sold. But I doubt it.

 

[kashifshahzad]

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I was told that PAF has compeletly phased out Mirage2000 series after US allowed F-16 sell. PAF is more in favor of Gripens as well as Defence Ministry.
Even if we are to get Qatari Mirage2000 I doubt we'll by newer ones to add to them. But perhaps 2nd hands from whom ever & when ever sold. But I doubt it.

Gripens uses US engines if we are not having any problem in accessing US AC's then why we should try to go for gripens.Why shoudnt PAF try F-18's take them also in 15-25 quantity they are gonna do good work.
I also doubt that PAF would go for 2nd hand Mirage 2000's if this was the case then pakistan should have increased the bid but if India is trying to escape then this would create diplomatic break (this shows that India only tried to increase the bid)
SABRE can you tell me that why French AC's are named like this e.g Mirage,Rafale these names are islamic are they that much impressed form muslim related things (this thing is really confusing me )

 

[Oqaab]

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how many are they offering? if they offer it at a good price then pakistan should take them just to get the feel of them in pakistani territory. then we could buy newwer ones from france if we like them. but if not then gripen all the way!!!

12 in all. 9 fighters 3 trainers. Obviously they are used mirages so prices will be low. It would be great if they join our naval mirage force which is currently facing harriars and MiG-29s.

 

[P.A.F]

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12 in all. 9 fighters 3 trainers. Obviously they are used mirages so prices will be low. It would be great if they join our naval mirage force which is currently facing harriars and MiG-29s.

Thats just what i had in mind Oqaab . these would do a great job for navy patrol and martime role. they would help our subs, P-3C orions and ships from both ground and air threats.

 

[kashifshahzad]

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Thats just what i had in mind Oqaab . these would do a great job for navy patrol and martime role. they would help our subs, P-3C orions and ships from both ground and air threats.

P.A.F dont you want to include the new baby Babur they are gonna keep the Indian AC carriers and ships 500km away from the coast

 

[P.A.F]

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P.A.F dont you want to include the new baby Babur they are gonna keep the Indian AC carriers and ships 500km away from the coast

the babur can be fitted onto the Qatari Mirage 2000-5s or P-3C . No seriously, i think these aircraft would be valuable additions if PAF goes for them provided there offered at a good value.

 

[SABRE]

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SABRE can you tell me that why French AC's are named like this e.g Mirage,Rafale these names are islamic are they that much impressed form muslim related things (this thing is really confusing me )

...hehehe...lols..heavens no.

I think you are confused between Mirage & Mehraj, Rafale & Rafail.

Mirage = Reflection (of water mostly) which you see on roads but when u go closer it disapprears.

Rafale= Burst.

 

[kashifshahzad]

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the babur can be fitted onto the Qatari Mirage 2000-5s or P-3C . No seriously, i think these aircraft would be valuable additions if PAF goes for them provided there offered at a good value.

No P.A.F i didnt mean to say that they were going to be fitted onto the Mirages i wanted to add in the defence capebility of Pakistan.

they would help our subs, P-3C orions and ships from both ground and air threats.

this was what you wrote i mean to say that you should have added babur in this category

 

[kashifshahzad]

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...hehehe...lols..heavens no.

I think you are confused between Mirage & Mehraj, Rafale & Rafail.

Mirage = Reflection (of water mostly) which you see on roads but when u go closer it disapprears.

Rafale= Burst.

Yaar i thought that that Mirage in which our Prophet went to Mirage on Pegasus I thought that that Mirage was so fast that it consumed little time so French inspired from that and they named their plane "Mirage " I have read this word written on TV screen and the spellings were the same and they were discussing the Mirage which i have written above

And there is a name in Muslims "Rafeh" i dont know what does it mean i think there is also a name "Rafale " so i just thought that French are totally inspired
Sooo wasnt that the case

 

[SABRE]

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Yaar i thought that that Mirage in which our Prophet went to Mirage on Pegasus I thought that that Mirage was so fast that it consumed little time so French inspired from that and they named their plane "Mirage " I have read this word written on TV screen and the spellings were the same and they were discussing the Mirage which i have written above

And there is a name in Muslims "Rafeh" i dont know what does it mean i think there is also a name "Rafale " so i just thought that French are totally inspired
Sooo wasnt that the case

Its not Mirage, its Mehraj on what Prophet (PBUH) went & Mehraj was a travel. It was Buraq (horse like animal with wings and ability to talk) that took him to skies & it was Buraq who consumed little time, flew faster then lightning. I doubt Dessault has even herd of it. Mirage= Reflection bro.

Rafeh & Rafale. There is a big difference of "L" & placement of "E" ...

Thats not the case bro. Dont get confused again.

Anyways

12 in all. 9 fighters 3 trainers. Obviously they are used mirages so prices will be low. It would be great if they join our naval mirage force which is currently facing harriars and MiG-29s.

Yup thats the case. The navy support fleet of Mirage-3 in karachi wants Mirage2000 series but I herd they moved away from it. Probably JF-17 for them instead.

 

[webmaster]

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Folks, lets get back to the topic. This is not "french fighter jet name scheme thread."

 

[aaaditya]

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[ Admin Edit: Is this Indian airforce discussion? No! So, lets keep it Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions. Which aircraft India rejected and which it has accepted belongs in its own thread not here. Check announcement forum for a goodie! ]

 

[VICTORA1]

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Hello,

I believe that the Q mirages would end up in pakistan with a little bit of initiative and foresight from pakistan. They are the best weapons carrying systems that the paf can get right away without any delay. Here is a platform that can compete with any weapons of the advesary on equal basis.
If we get the F16's blk 50, they maybe 2 years away once the order is placed. So, till then what we got to show! Bravado aside---not much I would say.

Q mirage is an instant force multiplier for the PAF. PAF would have a platform that could be used for instant combat training against an actual real time enemy combat plane.

These Q mirages would also make or break the setup of the PAF.

Real time combat training against these aircraft in red and blue type excercises would show as to how good the rest of the PAF planes are against these mirages. There is nothing like facing the real thing.

You can create all kinds of scenarios and have as great a gung ho attitude as you may, but until you come face to face with the real thing, you would never know.

The low tech would always lose to high tech unless there is a stupidity factor that needs to be taken into consideration.

I just read a book a couple of days ago in which a chinese general says if he could only have 10 high tech weapon systems as good as the the ones that americans have over his 100 mid-range mid tech systems.

 

[aaaditya]

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[ Admin Edit: Is this Indian airforce discussion? No! So, lets keep it Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions. Which aircraft India rejected and which it has accepted belongs in its own thread not here. Check announcement forum for a goodie! ]

i think you are being too rigid and dictatorial,i can read very well that it is pakistan airforce news and discussions thread ,since a news was posted iam just discussing it ,i gave the reason why india rejected the deal only to show what pakistan can expect if they were to negotiate this deal,i have no intention of dragging indian airforce into it.
when a news is posted you are expected to discuss every factor related to it atleast that's what discussion means if you have any other definition for it please be free to let me know.
i try my best to contribute some information to this forum in my own small way i have no interest in sidetracking from the main issue,if you dont like it fine i will not post again
thank you.:coffee

 

[SABRE]

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In yet another interesting news month on DT News Section:

Pakistan to buy 22 more K-8 trainers​

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan government has decided to buy 22 K-8 jet trainers from China, which offers a modern training platform to pilots of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF).
Sources said the decision to buy more K-8 jet trainers was taken on seeing the aircraft’s suitability, outclass functions and the best results. Pakistan has earlier purchased 12 jet trainers from China in the last fiscal year 2003-04 for training purposes.

A $20mn K-8 advanced jet trainer has been designed and produced by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Kamra and China’s Nanchang Aircraft Manufacturing Company (NAMC) and is manufactured at the NAMC.

The K-8 is a tandem-seat advanced jet trainer with a low-set unswept wing. It was first flown in 1991 and is intended to completely replace the T-37s in service with PAF. The aircraft has the capability for light air-to-ground close support.

Presently, 22 aircraft have been ordered but the number might reach 100 keeping in view the PAF demand, sources said.

The K-8 jet is a two-seat advanced jet trainer and is a light ground attack aircraft. It has a Collins EFIS-86 system in first 100 aircraft, incorporating CRT primary flight and navigation displays for each crewmember plus dual display processing units and selector panels for tandem operations.

The jet provides basic training for A-5 and F-5, advanced training for F-7, F-8, F-16 and F-18, air-to-air and air-to-ground weapon delivery, spin and other aerobatic flights, taking off and landing training and close support on ground strike.

The first batch of six K-8 jets (with Collins EFTS-86 MFD and Allied Signal TFE-731-2A turbofan) was delivered to PAF in January 1995 and the second batch is designed for air defence role with the Chinese PL-7 under wing Sidewinder AAMs and a gun pod (23mm) under the fuselage.

Source: DefenceTalk News
Link: http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_003165.php

 

[P.A.F]

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I posted the same article was posted on the last page SABRE.:hehe

Anyway, as the artical said, i think 100 of these would be good with more or less so kind of combat capability. maybe we can get some SD-10's to fit under the wing

 

[SABRE]

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You cant take to air battle so why would u need SD-10 on it?

 

[kashifshahzad]

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I posted the same article was posted on the last page SABRE.:hehe

Anyway, as the artical said, i think 100 of these would be good with more or less so kind of combat capability. maybe we can get some SD-10's to fit under the wing

Mate I think pilots in the initial stages take their training on the mashak and other type of this type and at the end they get the training on the two seater fighter aircrafts.I didnt know that there was a middle plane on which pilots get the training and which is also loaded with Missiles and if it has the SD-10 then this would help our pilots the get used to BVR AAMs this missile wouild be inexpensive and we can get them easily. Can you tell me how much range does it have can it be efficient in the real battle ( just thinking )