Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions
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i've found 2 more pictures of it. please confirm.
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i've found 2 more pictures of it. please confirm.
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I haven't got a scanner so, no... But the photo in AFM is very similar to the 2nd link you provided. The only difference is it's from the rear of the plane a bit more and you can see the engine exhaust and not as much of the missile under the port wing. You're not missing anything from not seeing the AFM photo though. That link is close enough...
I haven't got a scanner so, no... But the photo in AFM is very similar to the 2nd link you provided. The only difference is it's from the rear of the plane a bit more and you can see the engine exhaust and not as much of the missile under the port wing. You're not missing anything from not seeing the AFM photo though. That link is close enough...
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by Zahid Ghani
New York July 30: Meeting of Pakistan and US Airforce to decide about sale of F 16 postponed for August 7 tentatively after the Americans held to agree to Pakistani demands of mounting the desired radar's and missiles systems.
Pakistani side was to be headed by deputy chief of air staff shehzad chaudhry alongwith Operation chief, and Director falcon project of Operational research development, the meeting was scheduled for Friday, July 29.
Indian Airforce is equipped with AGIL, Reactor and also have BBV Beyond Visual Range Missiles, with Air surveillance technology. Pakistan requires frequency to match with Indians, if not the same somewhat similar to technology.
The US National Security Council NSC , the approving authority have so far held to approve Pakistan desire, despite US President Bush assurance to balance both the rivals. US have stopped and Pakistan decision not taken yet.
If by August F 16 issue not cleared by NSC. National Security Council the matter of F 16 will be delayed through year 2006 as Congress will go for recess and next month Pakistan having TRI High Rate exercise of the three forces, Army, Navy and Airforce together.
Any deal over $25 million or any item under IEAR International traffic and arms register list go to Congress for Approval through NSC,the congress approves or rescind. In case it is on hold with the congress for 90 days it is cleared and passed. Congress Vote only comes up if anti lobbyist becomes active.Al Congress procedure starts after LOA letter of offer and Acceptance. The F 16 issue to be submitted to Congress after NSC approves and Pakistan Ministry of Defense signs the letter.
In President Bush approved F 16 case after the approval from Congress the F 16 would be delivered to Pakistan in 2 and a half year time.
Pakistan will have meeting with US Air force USAFIA US AIRFORCE INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, and DSCA Defense Security Cooperation Agency part of Pentagon will decide the case.
Pakistan maintaining their position having equipped their F 16 with desired systems will pay $42 to $43 million for one F 16. The contract of 75 F 16 will cost Pakistan roughly $3billion to be paid in 3 to 5 years.Previously in 80's Pakistan purchased the same aircraft for $ 18 to $ 21 million each.
Indians while signing for such heavy equipment's with western powers put the clause in their agreements "not to sell to Pakistan". Indians generally sign conditional contracts. Having larger quantity contracts Indians have leverage to put such conditions.
Signing of LOA by Pakistan will be a political decission if Pakistan's demand not fulfilled said a senior diplomat .He said government of Pakistan to boost of Pak-US relations might opt for geting any catagory F 16 too. He said however Pakistan airforce will blankly refuse to accept F16 without their desired instruements . F16 will be a DUBBA (Box) without proper radar and arms technology.
The Bush administration has approved an initial shipment to Pakistan of two F-16 fighter jets on Friday. Two refurbished F 16 is to boost Pakistan's fleet of 32 F 16 acquired by Pakistan before the US Congress cutt off sales in 1990 over Pakistan's nuclear programe.
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by Zahid Ghani
New York July 30: Meeting of Pakistan and US Airforce to decide about sale of F 16 postponed for August 7 tentatively after the Americans held to agree to Pakistani demands of mounting the desired radar's and missiles systems.
Pakistani side was to be headed by deputy chief of air staff shehzad chaudhry alongwith Operation chief, and Director falcon project of Operational research development, the meeting was scheduled for Friday, July 29.
Indian Airforce is equipped with AGIL, Reactor and also have BBV Beyond Visual Range Missiles, with Air surveillance technology. Pakistan requires frequency to match with Indians, if not the same somewhat similar to technology.
The US National Security Council NSC , the approving authority have so far held to approve Pakistan desire, despite US President Bush assurance to balance both the rivals. US have stopped and Pakistan decision not taken yet.
If by August F 16 issue not cleared by NSC. National Security Council the matter of F 16 will be delayed through year 2006 as Congress will go for recess and next month Pakistan having TRI High Rate exercise of the three forces, Army, Navy and Airforce together.
Any deal over $25 million or any item under IEAR International traffic and arms register list go to Congress for Approval through NSC,the congress approves or rescind. In case it is on hold with the congress for 90 days it is cleared and passed. Congress Vote only comes up if anti lobbyist becomes active.Al Congress procedure starts after LOA letter of offer and Acceptance. The F 16 issue to be submitted to Congress after NSC approves and Pakistan Ministry of Defense signs the letter.
In President Bush approved F 16 case after the approval from Congress the F 16 would be delivered to Pakistan in 2 and a half year time.
Pakistan will have meeting with US Air force USAFIA US AIRFORCE INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, and DSCA Defense Security Cooperation Agency part of Pentagon will decide the case.
Pakistan maintaining their position having equipped their F 16 with desired systems will pay $42 to $43 million for one F 16. The contract of 75 F 16 will cost Pakistan roughly $3billion to be paid in 3 to 5 years.Previously in 80's Pakistan purchased the same aircraft for $ 18 to $ 21 million each.
Indians while signing for such heavy equipment's with western powers put the clause in their agreements "not to sell to Pakistan". Indians generally sign conditional contracts. Having larger quantity contracts Indians have leverage to put such conditions.
Signing of LOA by Pakistan will be a political decission if Pakistan's demand not fulfilled said a senior diplomat .He said government of Pakistan to boost of Pak-US relations might opt for geting any catagory F 16 too. He said however Pakistan airforce will blankly refuse to accept F16 without their desired instruements . F16 will be a DUBBA (Box) without proper radar and arms technology.
The Bush administration has approved an initial shipment to Pakistan of two F-16 fighter jets on Friday. Two refurbished F 16 is to boost Pakistan's fleet of 32 F 16 acquired by Pakistan before the US Congress cutt off sales in 1990 over Pakistan's nuclear programe.
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Salaam,
I wonder why would PAF bought those upgraded ol' birds considered to be phased out in 5 -10 years to come?? Sounds like Mushy wanted to please Unkal's lust by having all jahil Madrassas closed and deporting all jahil Mullah wannabes??
And the most irony of this: those so-called MLU machines didn't have any BVR capability, dude! I checked myself when an Indian friend said that even our :censored JF-17 can launch BVR AAM as well as olde faithful Indian MiG-21 Bison coffin!
Is this our provoking appetite in inducting super cool Block 52??
Lull over here we don't tolerate profanities even if used generally and not directed at anyone in particular. I know that u have a good amount of military knowledge, but that does not make you exceptional in any way so follow the rules around here like anyother member ok.
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Salaam,
I wonder why would PAF bought those upgraded ol' birds considered to be phased out in 5 -10 years to come?? Sounds like Mushy wanted to please Unkal's lust by having all jahil Madrassas closed and deporting all jahil Mullah wannabes??
And the most irony of this: those so-called MLU machines didn't have any BVR capability, dude! I checked myself when an Indian friend said that even our :censored JF-17 can launch BVR AAM as well as olde faithful Indian MiG-21 Bison coffin!
Is this our provoking appetite in inducting super cool Block 52??
Lull over here we don't tolerate profanities even if used generally and not directed at anyone in particular. I know that u have a good amount of military knowledge, but that does not make you exceptional in any way so follow the rules around here like anyother member ok.
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http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html
we will get the New Block 52 when there made
i'm sure these 2 f-16 where getting have plenty of flying hours left. and as far as i know the F-16 MLU does have BVR capabilitySalaam,
I wonder why would PAF bought those upgraded ol' birds considered to be phased out in 5 -10 years to come?? Sounds like Mushy wanted to please Unkal's lust by having all jahil Madrassas closed and deporting all jahil Mullah wannabes??
And the most irony of this: those so-called MLU machines didn't have any BVR capability, dude! I checked myself when an Indian friend said that even our gandoo JF-17 can launch BVR AAM as well as olde faithful Indian MiG-21 Bison coffin!
Is this our provoking appetite in inducting super cool Block 52??
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html
we will get the New Block 52 when there made
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F-16's because J-10's and Grippens didn't work out? I'm mean, cmon, America wouldn't let Pakistan buy non-American arms with the $3 billion aid it gave, would it? And the new F-16's won't be so bad either, though I can't say that fo the upgraded ones.
F-16's because J-10's and Grippens didn't work out? I'm mean, cmon, America wouldn't let Pakistan buy non-American arms with the $3 billion aid it gave, would it? And the new F-16's won't be so bad either, though I can't say that fo the upgraded ones.
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Reports are that these two F-16s would be flown to Pakistan by PAF pilots end of September or early October. MLU F-16s are almost equal to Block 50 if I remember correctly and thus are still quite superior to the ones that PAF currently has. As far as I know, PAF is going to be brought back to the original strength of 40 F-16s by providing MLU aircraft (with the ones that PAF currently has being given an MLU). Once that is achieved, the newer Block 52s would start flowing in.
Reports are that these two F-16s would be flown to Pakistan by PAF pilots end of September or early October. MLU F-16s are almost equal to Block 50 if I remember correctly and thus are still quite superior to the ones that PAF currently has. As far as I know, PAF is going to be brought back to the original strength of 40 F-16s by providing MLU aircraft (with the ones that PAF currently has being given an MLU). Once that is achieved, the newer Block 52s would start flowing in.
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Pakistan is not purchasing all these AirCrafts from $ 3Billion grant. Money is coming from Pakistan's own pocket. The 20 2nd hand F-16s are speculated from 3billion.
New F-16s offcourse wont be bad. They are great. They defuse the 75% of the threat level to PAF.
The old MLUs are said to be very good ones. They were diployed by USAF during cold war but were grounded after fall of Soviat Union. They were upgraded to BVR.
The upcoming 2 (& 20 other 2nd hands) are more of a test & training ACs besides being gap fillers. They will give PAF the taste of latest Avionics & weapon system that are not on PAF's old ACs. Apperantly the PAF pilots flying UAE F-16s are not coming back, UAE has extended their contracts. They have experiance on F-16s with latest avionics & BVR systems. Only few are coming to train the newer pilots. Re-trainings & new trainings probably begins in december.
I also got a news that PAF will diploy F-16s in all four provinces as there is threat from East & West togather. PAF is either going to establish another Sqdn in Karachi or equip any of the older ones with F-16s.
Gripens are still on the evaluation list & J-10 is & will always be there & probably will be bought if needed regardless of new F-16s & any other AC PAF buys (e.g: Gripens or Rafales--2 top contenders).srirangan said:
Pakistan is not purchasing all these AirCrafts from $ 3Billion grant. Money is coming from Pakistan's own pocket. The 20 2nd hand F-16s are speculated from 3billion.
New F-16s offcourse wont be bad. They are great. They defuse the 75% of the threat level to PAF.
The old MLUs are said to be very good ones. They were diployed by USAF during cold war but were grounded after fall of Soviat Union. They were upgraded to BVR.
The upcoming 2 (& 20 other 2nd hands) are more of a test & training ACs besides being gap fillers. They will give PAF the taste of latest Avionics & weapon system that are not on PAF's old ACs. Apperantly the PAF pilots flying UAE F-16s are not coming back, UAE has extended their contracts. They have experiance on F-16s with latest avionics & BVR systems. Only few are coming to train the newer pilots. Re-trainings & new trainings probably begins in december.
I also got a news that PAF will diploy F-16s in all four provinces as there is threat from East & West togather. PAF is either going to establish another Sqdn in Karachi or equip any of the older ones with F-16s.
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I am sure the decision for the other aircrafts will be made after 3-5 years after the acquisition of F-16's will be completed.There are chiances for the Rafales.The F-16's will be on the front backed by the JF-17's this will be cool combination.
Sabre i want to ask during now whether PAF AC's have the ability to fire a BVR missile caz you have mentioned in the post that PAF pilots had their experience with the UAE's F-16s with latest avionics & BVR systems.
I want to know here that what will be the real difference in the BVR capebilities of the modern and the older planes one thing is clear that whther they have the latest or the older BVR capebilities they cannot exceed the missile range limit more then that of the AAMRAM it just have the range of 50 KM.If the weapon package and the BVR systems and the avionics are good then this can make a larger difference in the position the PAF then PAF will be more capable and we will be having 2 planes which will be getting into the force the F-16's on one hand and on the other hand the JF-17's the SD-10 is also similar in the capebility and the range as that of the AAMRAM.
I am sure the decision for the other aircrafts will be made after 3-5 years after the acquisition of F-16's will be completed.There are chiances for the Rafales.The F-16's will be on the front backed by the JF-17's this will be cool combination.
Sabre i want to ask during now whether PAF AC's have the ability to fire a BVR missile caz you have mentioned in the post that PAF pilots had their experience with the UAE's F-16s with latest avionics & BVR systems.
I want to know here that what will be the real difference in the BVR capebilities of the modern and the older planes one thing is clear that whther they have the latest or the older BVR capebilities they cannot exceed the missile range limit more then that of the AAMRAM it just have the range of 50 KM.If the weapon package and the BVR systems and the avionics are good then this can make a larger difference in the position the PAF then PAF will be more capable and we will be having 2 planes which will be getting into the force the F-16's on one hand and on the other hand the JF-17's the SD-10 is also similar in the capebility and the range as that of the AAMRAM.
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http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-16/0507310724161548.htm
Pakistan-US
The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) on Sunday confirmed reports that it will be receiving two F-16 fighter planes from the United States in near future.
Reports suggested that the US administration has approved an initial shipment to Pakistan of two F-16 fighter jets.
"These F-16s are of same category as the one which PAF already posses, and are being provided to Pakistan from their ready available stock," a PAF spokesman said in a statement.
The United States announced plans in March to sell F-16s to Pakistan but offered few details about the number of fighters and
specifications.
The sale had been blocked for 15 years due to Pakistan nuclear weapons program.
"The expenditure involved in procurement of the F-16 is very nominal. Anyhow, it may be noted that the issue of purchase of a newer version of additional F-16 is under discussion," the PAF statement said.
It said the number and delivery timing of F-16s will be decided at late stage.
The single engine, multirole F-16 is built by Lockheed Martin Corp.
Reports suggest that a Pakistani team is expected to proceed to Washington in late September or early October to fly the planes home.
http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-16/0507310724161548.htm
Pakistan-US
The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) on Sunday confirmed reports that it will be receiving two F-16 fighter planes from the United States in near future.
Reports suggested that the US administration has approved an initial shipment to Pakistan of two F-16 fighter jets.
"These F-16s are of same category as the one which PAF already posses, and are being provided to Pakistan from their ready available stock," a PAF spokesman said in a statement.
The United States announced plans in March to sell F-16s to Pakistan but offered few details about the number of fighters and
specifications.
The sale had been blocked for 15 years due to Pakistan nuclear weapons program.
"The expenditure involved in procurement of the F-16 is very nominal. Anyhow, it may be noted that the issue of purchase of a newer version of additional F-16 is under discussion," the PAF statement said.
It said the number and delivery timing of F-16s will be decided at late stage.
The single engine, multirole F-16 is built by Lockheed Martin Corp.
Reports suggest that a Pakistani team is expected to proceed to Washington in late September or early October to fly the planes home.
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This means at minimum, APG-66A radars with LD/SD, TERPROM, provisions for 6xAIM-120 AMRAAM or AIM-7 Sparrow, AGM-65 Maverick, AGM-119 (Penguin), 600 gallon drop tanks, the wide-angle HUD from the C/D's, a radar altimeter, AN/APX-101 IFF, AN/ALE-40 chaff/flare dispenser and (provisions for) AN/ALQ-131 ECM pod. They would also have AN/ALR-74 RWR and PW-F100-220 engines.
These are good, low-hour airframes with BVR capability, beefed up airframes with upgraded engines, and decent countermeasures. Pakistan should try to get about 20-24 of these to fill out the force while they are waiting for the new planes. Bush may be giving them out in small lots to avoid the $25 Mil. threshold for Congressional approval.
I take this to mean they are out of the ADF stock (which is what I have been assuming all along). The US does not have any A/B's that are not at least Block 15OCU standard.P.A.F said:
This means at minimum, APG-66A radars with LD/SD, TERPROM, provisions for 6xAIM-120 AMRAAM or AIM-7 Sparrow, AGM-65 Maverick, AGM-119 (Penguin), 600 gallon drop tanks, the wide-angle HUD from the C/D's, a radar altimeter, AN/APX-101 IFF, AN/ALE-40 chaff/flare dispenser and (provisions for) AN/ALQ-131 ECM pod. They would also have AN/ALR-74 RWR and PW-F100-220 engines.
These are good, low-hour airframes with BVR capability, beefed up airframes with upgraded engines, and decent countermeasures. Pakistan should try to get about 20-24 of these to fill out the force while they are waiting for the new planes. Bush may be giving them out in small lots to avoid the $25 Mil. threshold for Congressional approval.
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The two aircrafts will be serving a dual role. First they will be used as the rotation units for the mlu upgrade of the existing stock and, secondly to familiarize the Pilots with the upgraded heavier units. We may see few more to land in Pakistan, when mlu begins.highsea said:
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The only Pilots who have BVR experiance for sure are the one leased to UAE. They fly UAE F-16s & Mirage2000-9. They were suppose to return in 2000 but there contract was extended to 2005 (June) but UAE extended it again. They probably might be deployed on Block 60s. Only few good ones are called back.
I doubt SD-10 can match the latest AIM-120 AMRAAM but yes it would be good. PAF will probably end up with 3 veriants of BVR missile. MICA (Mirage-3/5), SD-10(JF-17) & AMRAAMs (F-16).
F-7PGs in Karachi are said to have BVR capability (I am not sure of it though, there is no declared BVR missile system named on it) + the Mirage-3/5 ROSES have been upgraded & can now use MICA. So yes they the PAF ACs have BVR capability but Mirages have been upgraded recently (they were displayed at Paris AirShow u can see the pics posted by P.A.F) hence the pilots have not yet have the taste of MICA.kashifshahzad said:
The only Pilots who have BVR experiance for sure are the one leased to UAE. They fly UAE F-16s & Mirage2000-9. They were suppose to return in 2000 but there contract was extended to 2005 (June) but UAE extended it again. They probably might be deployed on Block 60s. Only few good ones are called back.
Read the highseas post;
I dnt know what version of AMRAAM is on it or even the Sparrow. Latest AMRAAMs are offcourse more superior. Its probably AIM-120A on those 2 F-16s (if not Sparrow). U should ask this question to highsea.
I doubt SD-10 can match the latest AIM-120 AMRAAM but yes it would be good. PAF will probably end up with 3 veriants of BVR missile. MICA (Mirage-3/5), SD-10(JF-17) & AMRAAMs (F-16).
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Peshawar airport shut as PAF jet crash lands
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PESHAWAR, Aug 6: The Peshawar airport was closed for flights after a Pakistan Air Force fighter jet made crash landing on Friday damaging the runway, officials said. Officials at the air traffic control told Dawn on Saturday that all incoming domestic and international flights had been diverted to Islamabad and other airports, while flights from Peshawar were cancelled and passengers were transported to Islamabad.
Authorities closed the runway for defence purpose, said an official. He did not give details. The Peshawar airport, built before the country’s independence, is used for both commercial and defence purposes. It handled about 35 flights daily.
The official sources said that a fighter jet of PAF made crash landing after developing some ‘technical fault’ at around 12noon on Friday, causing damage to the runway. They said that the tyres of the jet burst, leaving large scratches on the runway.
After the incident, flights bound for Karachi and Lahore took off from the runway. However, authorities later declared the runway unfit for landing and flights coming from Dubai, Doha and Saudi Arabia were diverted to Islamabad.
Some of the passengers were shifted to Islamabad by road so that they could catch their flights, but a majority of them were left waiting at the Peshawar terminal. They complained that the airport authorities did not give them correct information about the situation.
Officials said that the personnel of the Civil Aviation Authority and PAF were engaged in the repair of the runway. They said the flight operation would be restored soon.
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Yet another crash
Peshawar airport shut as PAF jet crash lands
Bureau Report
PESHAWAR, Aug 6: The Peshawar airport was closed for flights after a Pakistan Air Force fighter jet made crash landing on Friday damaging the runway, officials said. Officials at the air traffic control told Dawn on Saturday that all incoming domestic and international flights had been diverted to Islamabad and other airports, while flights from Peshawar were cancelled and passengers were transported to Islamabad.
Authorities closed the runway for defence purpose, said an official. He did not give details. The Peshawar airport, built before the country’s independence, is used for both commercial and defence purposes. It handled about 35 flights daily.
The official sources said that a fighter jet of PAF made crash landing after developing some ‘technical fault’ at around 12noon on Friday, causing damage to the runway. They said that the tyres of the jet burst, leaving large scratches on the runway.
After the incident, flights bound for Karachi and Lahore took off from the runway. However, authorities later declared the runway unfit for landing and flights coming from Dubai, Doha and Saudi Arabia were diverted to Islamabad.
Some of the passengers were shifted to Islamabad by road so that they could catch their flights, but a majority of them were left waiting at the Peshawar terminal. They complained that the airport authorities did not give them correct information about the situation.
Officials said that the personnel of the Civil Aviation Authority and PAF were engaged in the repair of the runway. They said the flight operation would be restored soon.
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Yet another crash
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Please don't forget T-Darter missile in the race.
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Please don't forget T-Darter missile in the race.
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I am still confused wheather these are BVR Air to Air Missiles or BVR Bombs. According to reports they were handed over to PAF in 2003-2004.
Actualy its H-4 (modified version of T-Darter of South Africa) with a range of 120Km (according to some reports). According to other reports Pakistan also has H-2 with the range of 60Km.princefaisal said:
I am still confused wheather these are BVR Air to Air Missiles or BVR Bombs. According to reports they were handed over to PAF in 2003-2004.
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