Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions

ajay_ijn

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SABRE said:
Meanwhile what pshamim is saying is also the impression of PAF officials (that India is in political tangle with this) & the news from my source (treat as unreliable please) is that PAF had submitted request for Su-30/35 to Russians which they amazingly had not denied (like MiG-29), abt few days ago (after Indo-US defence pact) PAF officials contacted Russians & told them to respond now or else the Sukhois get erased from the evaluation list. Once again amazingly Russians have not denied it & infact the telephone talk went on for an hour. (Remember to treat it as unreliable at this moment & do not spread it).
If its unreliable then why are u posting it as a fact.

SABRE said:
At some places it performed bad & at some places it was good. Over all it was rated fine but the mirage2000s real time battle record is not realy good
Can i know where Mirage-2000 did not perform that well.
Actually they did not much chance to perform.
They did had sucessfull Sorties in Gulf war,Kosovo and also Afghanistan and also in kargil.
But did not get chance to peform like F-16.
 

rafale_2k5

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All this ranting about Mirage 2k being inferior to F-16s is plain BS, nearly every country which bought F-16s also went 4 M2k , in plain air to air M2k Mirage 2k still holds a little edge but for strike missions F-16 a slight edge due to the vast array of weapon systems it supports!!!! plus if Pakistan too had big bucks im sure they wouldve loved to have a few squardons of M2k/-5s, so there is no point ranting whether F-16 is good or M2K is better, i agree with Ajay that in case of India M2ks stands a better chance since theyve got infrastructure for almost 150 aircrafts n goin 4 F-16s shall compound their logistic problems, n baically this MRCA deal is meant to transform IAF into a more leaner/ meaner outfit with few varities lgistics can easily be streamlined, plus i firmly believe that IAf is not so naiive to let go of its time tested friend Russia just like that, because they know if Russian door opens to pakistan it would dramatically alter the conventional balance. Since Russian equipment is not only cheap but at the same time cost effective to procure, considering the western counterparts!!!! All in all in a defensive scenario it would dramatically help Pakistan since then it could rely on both Russian n Chinese equipment which would lead to a trianca!!! plus indain stategic planners know that geographically also its in Indias interest to stay aligned with Russia as compared to US....
 

adsH

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Brit said:
I think you'll find that they were MirageIII (/Nesher) not '2000 that the Argentines operated. They had no RWR, BVR (credible at least), datalinks, HMS etc etc that the current crop of Mirage 2000's have (such as India is buying). The PAF MirageIIIs are better equiped than the Argentine ones but still a long way behind the 2000s of the IAF. Not that I care either way....
The Argentineans had 5 operational Super Etendard strike aircraft and Exocet missile 4 of the SEtendards were used and one was used as spare. The french really showed whose side they were onn, when the war started they made available french AC including the super etendards and mirages so we could test our pilots against them. they showed us , specs on the AC and on the Exocet missile showing us how the missile worked and how we could tamper with them.

The F-16 is a good option but i never said the frnch don't make quality weapons systems. Having said that I stick by my claim that the the F-16 is superior in tems of weaponry and Electronics and other aspects.
 

SABRE

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ajay_ijn said:
If its unreliable then why are u posting it as a fact.
If I say its reliable the news will jump from DT to other forums (mainly Pakistani) & they will mess it up. News will change from "talks with Russia" to "Russia Agrees". This puts DT into week credibility which some of us are not willing to do.

On the other hand its also unreliable cause its from only one source. Its not been verified by other sources. But the person who told me is not unreliable.

Can i know where Mirage-2000 did not perform that well.
Actually they did not much chance to perform.
They did had sucessfull Sorties in Gulf war,Kosovo and also Afghanistan and also in kargil.
But did not get chance to peform like F-16.
Mirage2000 did not perform well with Argentina but "Brit" says that it was Mirage-3 , Perhaps it was Mirage-5 as it was shot over sea by SeaHarrier. Still British manage to shoot down a super sonic AC with BVR capability with their Sub Sonic AC.

I have only herd of Rafale M going to Afghanistan not Mirage2000. I dont knw if any non AC-carrier based AC performed in Afghanistan.

In Kosovo I dnt knw. Most of the NATO members fly F-16. The moment any new country becomes NATO members (& if they dnt have credible AirForce) than Belgian F-16s fly in. Kosovo hadnt become a new member of country but the F-16s were mostly in the acton.

Abt Kargil I dnt knw. What Indians have been saying is quite confusing. All over the forums every Indian is saying that they got lock-on on PAF F-16. While PAF F-16s are defensive AC. They are not allowed to fly out of the boundries of Pakistan & are only suppose to intercept the enemy if it flies inside Pakistan. So there is no chance ,according to PAF, that any IAF jet got lockon on F-16. PAF says Mirage-3 & F-7s were in action. It was mirage-3 that gave away information & possition abt two IAF MiG-21s to the ground troops who shot them down. Why Mirage-3 did not conduct attack it self is unkown. On the other hand some members (on different forums) say that IAF Mirage2000 got lockon on F-16 while others say it was Su-30 which got lockon on F-7.
Funny thing is that PAF says that if they ever got lock on than that would have to be Mirage-3 which were on constant flight over Kargil.

Hence the IAF's claims of Mirage2000s performance in Kargil are not credible.

Coversation between control tower & 2 Mirage-3s were recorded when two IAF MiG-21s came in. I'll see if I can get some part of it before sun falls.
 

adsH

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SABRE said:
Mirage2000 did not perform well with Argentina but "Brit" says that it was Mirage-3 , Perhaps it was Mirage-5 as it was shot over sea by SeaHarrier. Still British manage to shoot down a super sonic AC with BVR capability with their Sub Sonic AC.

I keep reminding people that the Argentineans used the Super Etendard not the mirage's. As far as I am aware they are different platforms. designed for different purposes. (Unless someone can prove that the two platforms are the same. )
 

kashifshahzad

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SABRE said:
Abt Kargil I dnt knw. What Indians have been saying is quite confusing. All over the forums every Indian is saying that they got lock-on on PAF F-16. While PAF F-16s are defensive AC. They are not allowed to fly out of the boundries of Pakistan & are only suppose to intercept the enemy if it flies inside Pakistan. So there is no chance ,according to PAF, that any IAF jet got lockon on F-16.
SABRE i agree with you PAF aquired these F-16's after the war of 1971 it was a major war between PAK and India and after that there had been small incidents on some places like the Kargil and the Siachin.On Siachin Glycier there is no chance that any AC can reach there and target to enemy.PAF have been maintaining these AC's from a long period of time but there has been no incident that this plane has crossed the boundry.There has been a single incident when F-16 knocked down an Indian UAV ( PAF might has considered that a critical thread so they send an F-16 and mirages or F-7's or F-7PG's were not send i want to clear one thing that the UAV was in PAK air field).

SABRE said:
PAF says Mirage-3 & F-7s were in action. It was mirage-3 that gave away information & possition abt two IAF MiG-21s to the ground troops who shot them down. Why Mirage-3 did not conduct attack it self is unkown.
SABRE use common sence it the Mirage-3 had chased MiG-21 then there could have been an attack from the other side too and no one knows that there might have been other planes or SAM's located on their side so in this way the Mirage has avoided to attack Mig-21.It gave information and position to the groung troops about two IAF AC's to shoot shoot them down.
Also see whether that Mirage-3 had the BVR capibility or not if not then this was a good decision and if it had the capibility then to fire an AAMRAM could have been costly and he prefered to use a shoulder Fired SAM which is manufactured indignously and is inexpensive
 
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SABRE

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kashifshahzad said:
SABRE use common sence it the Mirage-3 had chased MiG-21 then there could have been an attack from the other side too and no one knows that there might have been other planes or SAM's located on their side so in this way the Mirage has avoided to attack Mig-21.It gave information and position to the groung troops about two IAF AC's to shoot shoot them down.
Also see whether that Mirage-3 had the BVR capibility or not if not then this was a good decision and if it had the capibility then to fire an AAMRAM could have been costly and he prefered to use a shoulder Fired SAM which is manufactured indignously and is inexpensive
Kashif there were two mirage-3s there. Present at the time when both MiG-21s were shot down. It were the pilot who reported "enemy shot down" not the ground troops. Both Mirages were also visible to IAF MiG-21s & I think they were there to ingage Mirage-3s rather than to attack ground troops. But for some reason the orders were not to engage & let the ground troops take care of them. MiG-21s were well deep into Pakistani side.

The impression is that mirage-3s let the MiG-21s chase them & bring them to the point where they will get tangled with the Pakistani anti-aircraft guns possitioned on the mountains & thats what happened. But why Mirages were ordered not to ingage enemy has not been told.

So u see if Mirages were to fight MiG-21 they would be fighting in side Pakistan's space not Indias & there have been no threat of SAMs.

Also if MiGs were chasing Mirages & both mirage pilots could see them than they were in WVR mode not BVR. I dnt knw if migs were BVR or not.
 

ajay_ijn

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SABRE said:
Mirage2000 did not perform well with Argentina but "Brit" says that it was Mirage-3 , Perhaps it was Mirage-5 as it was shot over sea by SeaHarrier. Still British manage to shoot down a super sonic AC with BVR capability with their Sub Sonic AC.
Argentinians never had Mirage-2000 in FalkIsland war.

SABRE said:
I have only herd of Rafale M going to Afghanistan not Mirage2000. I dont knw if any non AC-carrier based AC performed in Afghanistan.
France Deploys Mirage-2000 jets to Afghanistan November 17, 2001
PARIS, France -- France is sending up to 10 Mirage 2000 warplanes to join the U.S.-led military mission in Afghanistan.
They performed PGM Attacks.

SABRE said:
In Kosovo I dnt knw. Most of the NATO members fly F-16. The moment any new country becomes NATO members (& if they dnt have credible AirForce) than Belgian F-16s fly in. Kosovo hadnt become a new member of country but the F-16s were mostly in the acton.
I said they did not get chance to participate much in the conflict so they won't come in the news and also large number of planes did not participate.

SABRE said:
All over the forums every Indian is saying that they got lock-on on PAF F-16. While PAF F-16s are defensive AC
If u believe what every indian say in the forum then u must also believe that LCA is superior to F-22,Will U??

They are not allowed to fly out of the boundries of Pakistan & are only suppose to intercept the enemy if it flies inside Pakistan. So there is no chance ,according to PAF, that any IAF jet got lockon on F-16. PAF says Mirage-3 & F-7s were in action. It was mirage-3 that gave away information & possition abt two IAF MiG-21s to the ground troops who shot them down. Why Mirage-3 did not conduct attack it self is unkown
FACT:IAF Fighters Never Locked onto any PAF Fighter.
IAF Pliots thought that the plane which was flying on the other side of border is F-16.
So IAF Fighters always had Mig-29s for top cover and Mirages for close escort as a precautionary measure.
Thats all It was never reported by IAF Officials that F-16 or any other plane did actually flew or was locked on to.
I think we are deviating from the actual topic.

Hence the IAF's claims of Mirage2000s performance in Kargil are not credible.
Gr8 Conclusion Sabre.
So u just believe what is said in the forums and arrive to the conclusion.

Finally About Mirage-2000,Even user country of Mirage-2000 was very very happy with its performance.
They never reported any technical fault or any limitation of Mirage-2000.
Which makes Mirage-2000 is truly a successful fighter aircraft.
 

SABRE

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Ajay I see u have been breaking up my posts than replying to them. Breaking my post makes a different story than when it is combined.

ajay_ijn said:
Argentinians never had Mirage-2000 in FalkIsland war.
That got resolved with the "Brit's" & "adsH's" reply. Care to read them aswell.

Thanks now I know.


I said they did not get chance to participate much in the conflict so they won't come in the news and also large number of planes did not participate.
I guess I missed out. Let me read ur previous post again.


If u believe what every indian say in the forum then u must also believe that LCA is superior to F-22,Will U??
See here you go making on judgement by breaking up my entire post. I said some of u say that Su-30 got lockon on F-7 & some of u say it was Mirage2000 that got lockon on F-16. Some ppl make even the lies very confusing.

& BTW I have read post saying that LCA is better than JSF not F-22. Still laughable.

FACT:IAF Fighters Never Locked onto any PAF Fighter.
IAF Pliots thought that the plane which was flying on the other side of border is F-16.
So IAF Fighters always had Mig-29s for top cover and Mirages for close escort as a precautionary measure.
Thats all It was never reported by IAF Officials that F-16 or any other plane did actually flew or was locked on to.
Good you are the 1st one to say that.

I think we are deviating from the actual topic.
Seems like it

Gr8 Conclusion Sabre.
So u just believe what is said in the forums and arrive to the conclusion.
No arrive at the conclusion cause there has been no report on mirage2000s performance in Kargil. Niether by IAF nor by Dessault. Companies keep the watch world arround on their ACs.

Finally About Mirage-2000,Even user country of Mirage-2000 was very very happy with its performance.
They never reported any technical fault or any limitation of Mirage-2000.
Which makes Mirage-2000 is truly a successful fighter aircraft.
Thats why the Greece are going for F-16 & IAF is also seems to be deviating.

I said it before. Personaly I like Mirage2000. I would be happy to see Mirage2000-9P is PAF. Its combat abilities are also good. PAF have had good experiance on its previous version Mirage-3/5 but when it comes to evaluation F-16 seem to be winner. almost Always.
But that doesnt mean Mirages are loosers.

I think you have missunderstood me at many areas of my post bro.
 

corsair7772

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i hate to bust your bubble ajay, but did u know that the some of the user countries of the mirage 2000 were actually bribed. Indra Gandhi was bribed into buying the m-2000 cuz of her depleted party coffers after the elections and the IAF played along cuz it wanted the fighter when it was operation hunters, mig-21s and Gnats.

And its not just india. Iraq and pakistan too were provided nuclear technology as a sweetener for the mirage purchases of M-F1s and M-3s respectively and vice versa.

And as for the Mirage 2000 happy consumers, the IAF too has complained several times of the high running costs for the m-2000. Because the french really stick it to the customers when it comes to spares. (ull find all this in indian defence writers books and u/e of IAF M-2000 sqs).

As for Kargil, the PAF only went into action in the finishin stages of the war. This was the time when the IAF was rolling out. Otherwise i have my doubts wether the M-2000 could have sustained air ops in the presence of PAF fighters with EW coverage.
 

srirangan

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corsair7772 said:
i hate to bust your bubble ajay, but did u know that the some of the user countries of the mirage 2000 were actually bribed. Indra Gandhi was bribed into buying the m-2000 cuz of her depleted party coffers after the elections and the IAF played along cuz it wanted the fighter when it was operation hunters, mig-21s and Gnats.

And its not just india. Iraq and pakistan too were provided nuclear technology as a sweetener for the mirage purchases of M-F1s and M-3s respectively and vice versa.

And as for the Mirage 2000 happy consumers, the IAF too has complained several times of the high running costs for the m-2000. Because the french really stick it to the customers when it comes to spares. (ull find all this in indian defence writers books and u/e of IAF M-2000 sqs).

As for Kargil, the PAF only went into action in the finishin stages of the war. This was the time when the IAF was rolling out. Otherwise i have my doubts wether the M-2000 could have sustained air ops in the presence of PAF fighters with EW coverage.
Can you back up your claims?
 

umair

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I've confirmed Sabre's posts with one of my sources. The Vipers asked for the PAF will be customised and may cost us between 70-75 million. I did get an outline of the customisation package and I'll preffer to keep it to myself now. The deal however will be finalised by late Sept/early Nov.
 

SABRE

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umair said:
I've confirmed Sabre's posts with one of my sources. The Vipers asked for the PAF will be customised and may cost us between 70-75 million. I did get an outline of the customisation package and I'll preffer to keep it to myself now. The deal however will be finalised by late Sept/early Nov.
ahm...actualy my post was of PAF+new F-16+ Possible AESA Radar+ AIM120 AMRAAM long time ago. The price perunit post was of rafale_2k5 which refered to my post.

The out line package UMAIR you might have gotten would be evaluation paper or expired & non credible. I manage to get hold of two but the person who gave me says its worth less. You'll find similar papers every where not only with PAF but also other AirForces. They are not the final list + some fake lists are created to fool spies.

I'll be damned if u got the actual one. (Can u send me it in email ;) )
 
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ajay_ijn

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corsair7772 said:
i hate to bust your bubble ajay, but did u know that the some of the user countries of the mirage 2000 were actually bribed. Indra Gandhi was bribed into buying the m-2000 cuz of her depleted party coffers after the elections and the IAF played along cuz it wanted the fighter when it was operation hunters, mig-21s and Gnats.
Never heard of Gandhi being bribed by dassault.
Care to post a source before accusing the best PM of India.
She is my favourite political leader,plz do provide ur reliable source before accusing an important leader.

The Major reason why Mirage-2000 was selected by IAF,to counter PAF F-16s.At that time Mig-29s were still not full production,So IAF had to go for Mirage-2000.
I don't think India had any other option other than to go for Mirage-2000.
Otherwise i have my doubts wether the M-2000 could have sustained air ops in the presence of PAF fighters with EW coverage.
If PAF Enters the war,then things would be much different.
Mirages were under continuos cover by Mig-29s by AA-10 BVRAAMs and in addition if necessary Su-30K could also be deployed

And as for the Mirage 2000 happy consumers, the IAF too has complained several times of the high running costs for the m-2000
Can to provide source.
Its much easier to maintain Mirages compared to Mig-29 or MKI which India has.
 

umair

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Outline means an outline, it's not an evaluation paper but some systems and specs details told to me by a person who is working on the deal. I obviously cannot state his name nor the details as he asked me to keep em to my self.
 

rafale_2k5

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http://www.geo.tv/

US to provide Hawkeye spy aircrafts to Pakistan

KARACHI: The US has agreed to sell Hawkeye 2000 spy aircrafts to Pakistan.

The Hawkeye 2000 aircrafts were brought 171 km away from Karachi at a US naval ship to PNS Mehran where they were inspected by Pakistan Air Force and Navy officials.

The US is using these aircrafts in Iraq and Afghanistan because these planes are helpful in spying on the terrorists. A delegation comprising one dozen officials of the Pakistan coast guards, air force and navy and led by Secretary Defence Lieutenant General Retd Tariq Wasim Ghazi visited the US naval ship carrying the aircrafts. There are 5000 US soldiers present on this ship.

The commander of the ship Commander Rear Admiral Peter.H. Daley briefed the Pakistani delegation about the ship operations. He also appreciated Pakistan’s role in the international war against terrorism on the occasion.

Secretary Defence Wasim Ghazi also inspected the F-18 jets during the visit of the US naval ship.

Moreover, he also witnessed the US flight operations at Pakistan’s sea limits.
 

highsea

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Ermmm. sounds like bullshit to me. E-2C would need Congressional approval, and Pak doesn't really have any compatible platforms, haven't asked for them, etc...
 

pshamim

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highsea said:
Ermmm. sounds like bullshit to me. E-2C would need Congressional approval, and Pak doesn't really have any compatible platforms, haven't asked for them, etc...
It could very well be. But on the other hand if US has agreed to sell, Congress will be notified later for its approval.
 

pshamim

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Here is a news source for E2 Hawkeye for Pakistan. According to the reporter based in Israel, USA wants Pakistan to buy the Hawkeyes. Article does provide an insight and provides the reason for Pakistan to go for Hawkeye and forego the Swedish Erieye:


Defense News, December 6, 2004
<H3>U.S. Offers Pakistan Radar Planes
Advanced U.S. System Could Elbow Out Swedish Erieye Bid

By Barbara Opall-Rome, Tel Aviv The U.S. Navy has proposed selling eight airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft to Pakistan, reversing restrictions on selling advanced radar planes to Islamabad. One proposal would send eight new Northrop Grumman E-2 Hawkeye 2000s plus support equipment for an estimated $1.6 billion; a second option costing about half as much would include used aircraft upgraded to the advanced configuration, Northrop officials said. The U.S. Navy proposal — supported at the policy level by the U.S. State Department, Pentagon and other relevant government agencies — is yet another manifestation of Washington’s intensifying courtship of Pakistan, which is viewed by the Bush administration as a key ally in its global fight against terror.
On Nov. 16, the Pentagon’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified the U.S. Congress of a possible $970 million sale to Pakistan of eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft. According to the notification, the proposed sale — not yet concluded with Pakistani authorities — “will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been and continues to be an important force for economic progress in South Asia and the global war on terrorism.†Also proposed for sale to Pakistan, according to separate Nov. 16 congressional notifications, are 2,000 Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided (TOW) 2A anti-armor guided missiles, valued at $82 million; and an estimated $155 million package of Phalanx close-in weapon systems. If Pakistan agrees to these and other potential arms sales, the deals likely would be funded in part through a $3 billion, five-year military and economic aid package that the White House is trying to push through Congress as part of the 2005 Foreign Operations Appropriations Bill. Northrop executives said they hoped the most recent proposal for the E-2 Hawkeye 2000 — an advanced system they say will eventually allow Pakistan to link up to U.S. Navy network-centric operations — is compelling enough to persuade Islamabad to forsake advanced negotiations for a Swedish AEW&C system based on the Saab 2000 aircraft and the Erieye radar and sensor suite. They said Pakistan requested the Hawkeyes in early 2003 to satisfy an urgent AEW&C requirement, but that U.S. government policy at the time had barred their export to Pakistan. So Pakistan launched discussions with Sweden; European industry sources said negotiations had moved into advanced stages. “We’re keeping our fingers crossed that we did not end up coming into this program too late, since we believe the Hawkeye aircraft and the network-centric operational capability is something nobody else can offer,†said David Murray, Northrop Grumman’s director of international programs for AEW. Working with the U.S. Navy, Northrop presented detailed proposals with price and programmatic data to Pakistani military officials in Islamabad last month, Murray said. The package is being presented as two different programs — each containing four aircraft — for the Pakistan Air Force and the Pakistan Navy, with the Air Force taking the lead in negotiations. “We just responded to a [price and availability] request for a program involving both the Navy and the Air Force. We had our team in there last month doing a tactical brief for the Pakistan Air Force and now they have in front of them an offer from the U.S. government,†Murray said. “We think the reason they went down the Erieye path was because they were concerned about not being able to get the Hawkeye from the U.S. government. But now we’re hopeful that Hawkeye still represents the preferred path for the Pakistani services.†Defense officials at the Pakistani Embassy in Washington declined to discuss the proposed deal or other potential arms packages. A public affairs official at the Pentagon’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency declined to comment on the proposed Hawkeye bid. “We do not engage in discussions or speculation of potential sales of major defense items or services to friendly countries before formal Congressional notification,†the official said. Restoring U.S.-Pakistani Trade The Hawkeye offer, plus last month’s congressional notifications of up to $1.2 billion in proposed U.S. arms deals, puts meat on the bones of a process for restoring U.S.-Pakistani defense trade ties that started just 11 days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks on the United States. With Presidential Determination No. 2001-28, the White House waived three separate sanctions on the books imposed on Pakistan as a result of its development and testing, in 1998, of nuclear weapons. Key among the sanctions waived by Bush, the son, was the 1985 Pressler Amendment that former President George Bush, the father, triggered in 1990 when he could not assure Congress that Pakistan was not developing nuclear weapons. Those sanctions blocked delivery of 28 F-16 fighters that were already built and paid for by Pakistan, part of a 71-aircraft package that Islamabad concluded with the Pentagon in 1988 and 1989. In October 2001, the White House waived the remaining prohibitions on military sales and economic assistance to Pakistan, which were imposed in 1999 after Gen. Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan’s top Army officer, grabbed the powers of the presidency. Since then, the Bush administration has approved several arms agreements with Pakistan, including helicopters, cargo aircraft, night-vision equipment, radios and radar systems, according to Wade Boese, research director for the Washington-based Arms Control Association. Boese noted that since June, when Pakistan was declared a major non-NATO ally, Islamabad has received even greater opportunities to acquire excess U.S. military equipment, including used U.S. Navy E-2Cs. And while the U.S. government has not yet approved Pakistan’s renewed requests for F-16s, Boese said he is concerned those planes could join the growing list of U.S. weaponry destined for Islamabad. “Proliferators and others seeking to defy U.S. and international non-proliferation norms are sure to be encouraged by the U.S. embrace of Pakistan and Washington’s willingness to enter into advanced arms sales just a few short years after they’ve come out of the nuclear closet,†Boese said. “The message here is that the punishment for proliferators is short-lived, and that U.S. nonproliferation policies lack credibility.†Boese urged the U.S. government to move slowly and cautiously in its defense-related dealings with Pakistan and India, to prevent a U.S.-fueled arms race on the precarious Asian subcontinent. “Washington is trying to endear itself to both India and Pakistan, and we’re likely to arrive very quickly to a situation where the United States is trying to market weapons to both sides of a dangerous conflict,†he said. Boese said he doubts that the Hawkeyes and the P-3s, built to fight the Soviet Navy, are ideally suited to tracking terrorists. “And one must remember that the P-3s, the E-2Cs, the F-16s and other armaments likely to be proposed in the future will probably outlast the war on terror, just like our weapons to the mujahadeen outlasted the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan,†he said. “So in the long term, you have to ask yourself what these weapons will be used for down the road, and who may inherit control of these weapon system.â€
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P.A.F

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I think that Pakistan should still go for erieye!!!!
 
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