PAF IN 2015

adsH

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Re: 2015 and "Pakistan Air Force"

if this is taught to Primary school kids then if i was a parent i would seriously consider sueing the school for teachng kid B*** ***!!!
 

lalith prasad

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Re: 2015 and "Pakistan Air Force"

mca development sanctioned by indian govt to replace jaguars and mirages drdo to undertake this project design concept studies are reported to be completed iaf requirements are being sought besides india and russia are jointly developing a fifth generation fighter may be pak fa for the latest news on mca check br and defenceindia also can u guys help me i ant to know wkat are the the advantages of propfan technology over turbofan and turboprp and also what is the concept of operation
 

srirangan

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MCA has not been sanctioned; it's still under concept stage. India is more inclined for joint R&D of the PAK-FA instead.
 

Libyan

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Re: 2015 and "Pakistan Air Force"

[Mod edit: What did your post had to do with anything remotely being discussed on this thread????]
 

gf0012-aust

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Re: 2015 and "Pakistan Air Force"

Libyan said:
Well for gf, all I can think of to say is that religiously I dont think you're much of an involved person. Answer to your questions is that you dont judge a faith by its followers; you judge a faith by its teachings and its guidance. Yes you are right about the Arabs, they have certainly deviated away from the true teachings of Islam. Pick up a copy of the translation of the Qur'an and you will see that women have equal rights as men in Islam but in most of the Islamic countries that is NOT the case; the true Islamic society should be based on democratic principles which is NOT the case in most of the Islamic countries. The fact that they are not following their religion (in this case, Islam) properly doesnt mean that Islam should be judged by 'their' actions. Similarly, when I critisized America and France, I did not criticize these states' main religion, Christianity; I criticized the society, the state, the people.
I'd have to agree to a certain extent. My comprehension of Islam is very limited, hence the quest for answers from a variety of sources. I have had dealings with the Aust/Arab Chamber of Commerce, and deal with mainly business people of your faith. Their responses and attitudes are invariably different to some in here, but that has been discussed before, and thankfully some of the other moderators have been kind enough to help out quietly in the background. My religious background is obviously not Islamic. You are of course stating the obvious - don't judge a religion by it's people as the quality of practicioners varies considerably.

btw, my business partner is a muslim, sandhurst graduate etc... and he is certainly different in the way he articulates things as well. Like all religions - the believers are all different in articulation, comprehension and capacity to demonstrate tolerance.

It's not Orwells 1984, I don't subscribe to "Majors" theory. I evaluate on individuality and willingness to teach, inform or instruct. Those who "dismiss" are quietly bypassed.

I think you may have misunderstood the reason for questions, and you've certainly misjudged the depth of my comprehension.
 

brahmos

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Re: 2015 and "Pakistan Air Force"

jastreb said:
PAF fleet till 2015 should be like this...

60- Mirage 2000-9 (FRANCE)
40- Rafale (FRANCE)
40- JAS-39 Grippen (SWEDEN)
80- SU-27 ubk (UKRAIN) used
120- J10 (CHINA)
50- F/A-18 Hornet (USA)
50 pls F 15 Eagle (KSA or USA) used
60- Panavia Tornado IDV (KSA or DUETCHLAND) used
150-180 F 16 A/B Blk 30/40 (USA) used with MLU
200- JF-17 Armed with better avionics and SD-10 (CHINA-PAK)
120- Mirage F1 for PN (FRANCE) used
40- JH-7A (CHINA)
300-plus F 7-PG with SD-10 (CHINA)
4-5- EMB-145 AWACS (BRAZIL)
4-5- Airbus A-330 Tankers (FRANCE)
30- C-130J (USA)
10- C-17 trooper (USA)
60- K-8 Trnr (CHINA)

I think the Pakistan Air Force would be in condition to "KICK" Indian Air Force. :sniper :vamp
and sorry if I m missing anything here !
What do you think this things come free most of these cost about $40-$50 million dollars.
 

adsH

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Re: 2015 and "Pakistan Air Force"

brahmos said:
jastreb said:
PAF fleet till 2015 should be like this...

60- Mirage 2000-9 (FRANCE)
40- Rafale (FRANCE)
40- JAS-39 Grippen (SWEDEN)
80- SU-27 ubk (UKRAIN) used
120- J10 (CHINA)
50- F/A-18 Hornet (USA)
50 pls F 15 Eagle (KSA or USA) used
60- Panavia Tornado IDV (KSA or DUETCHLAND) used
150-180 F 16 A/B Blk 30/40 (USA) used with MLU
200- JF-17 Armed with better avionics and SD-10 (CHINA-PAK)
120- Mirage F1 for PN (FRANCE) used
40- JH-7A (CHINA)
300-plus F 7-PG with SD-10 (CHINA)
4-5- EMB-145 AWACS (BRAZIL)
4-5- Airbus A-330 Tankers (FRANCE)
30- C-130J (USA)
10- C-17 trooper (USA)
60- K-8 Trnr (CHINA)

I think the Pakistan Air Force would be in condition to "KICK" Indian Air Force. :sniper :vamp
and sorry if I m missing anything here !
What do you think this things come free most of these cost about $40-$50 million dollars.
with all do respect "jastreb", you can't have such a colorful m,ix and a blend of ac it would bankrupt a economic power like india too if it had this sort of mix.
 

gf0012-aust

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corsair7772 said:
there are 13 types in all wid 1610 aircraft. Thnx 4 makin us a superpower for free. :D:
except the country will be bankrupted from trying to support all the different platforms, flight simulators and the fact that they can't share weapons as well. :D:
 

srirangan

Banned Member
The effectiveness of the IAF has improved vastaly no doubting that. I wonder for how long Pakistan can keep up with the Indian military $$$ wise. I think Pakistan would suffer the USSR fate if they keep trying to match up to Indian military enhancements.
 

mysterious

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It certainly did not happen when sanctions were put on Pakistan after nuke testing and I certainly dont see it happening ever. Pakistan knows it cannot compete with India on dollar-for-dollar bases just as India knows it cannot compete with China. Everyone has their own priorities and aims that are to be achieved and Pakistan's only aim is to keep a 'minimum deterrence level' vis-a-vis India. Thats about it.
 

srirangan

Banned Member
I think India can compete with the Chinese economy. China has reached its saturation point and is very close to peaking; whereas India has tremendous scope of growth. Plus ofcourse Indian companies don't indulge in just making clones of western products so thru innovation we obviously have more scope, unlike our Chinese counterparts.
 

mysterious

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Re: 2015 and "Pakistan Air Force"

Yeah maybe in three decades your country 'may' match China but certainly not at the moment. Chinese growth outstrips India in every sense and every sector and despite the current problems of overheating, Chinese economy is expected to go along well and healthy at its current pace of 9% or even more for God knowz how many years!! :cop
 

srirangan

Banned Member
It's wel known that the Chinese economy is saturate and is close to over heating. Don't teach me my economics, I'm pretty good at that.
 

mysterious

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Re: 2015 and "Pakistan Air Force"

Close to over-heating doesnt mean it 'has' over-heated! Maybe you do need a lesson or two at economics. Curbing the lending power of banks which China has done, has limited the fears of an economic melt-down and recent reports suggest that China may well avoid the melt-down if everything goes well.
 

srirangan

Banned Member
ahaha.. nice one.. gimme sommore economic lessons please!!

You have no clue about the institutions in place in China. The problem is, there aren't any. Everything is concentrated with the Communist Party. Which is why Chian can become a manufacturing hub but not an innovation centre.
 

mysterious

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Re: 2015 and "Pakistan Air Force"

China is not India and vice versa so stop assuming that what you can do in India can be done in China or whatever. They have their own environment and their own circumstances. Manufacturing or non-manufactoring, innovation centre or no innovation centre; it still is the stongest player in the region. Learn to respect that.
 

srirangan

Banned Member
Respect what? Should I respect their cheap labour? Or should I respect thier copying of western products?
Mod EditThere is a saying"Give Respect To Earn Respect" If you keep up this attitude towards the Chinese, pretty soon a Chinese member will stand up and start dissing u'r country and I'm sure u would not like that!
 
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