Mirage-2000-5 for India

[The Watcher]

India does need to reduce a 4 platform force to 2 to counter logistics issues, but they had also been considering splitting their nationality mix due to vulnerability issues (eg Russians selling to both India and China)

I agree. india is operating migs, SUs, mirages, and some british jets? Going towards SUs and Mirages would be a good choice in my opinion as Sukhoi is developing 4th and 5th gen planes like Su37 and is somewhat operational, not?

india would eventually have to turn to western source since whatever russia is giving to china is ending up with india as well and that does not sound okay with me from a military stand point.

 

[LCA_Tejas]

Is there any link which says the Indian Government is negotiating for Rafales ? :?

 

[The Watcher]

india isn't going for the rafales. Its either Mirages or the F-16. Lockheed even offers ToT if india decides to go for the F16s although france is way ahead of lockheed in their offer with mirages.

 

[Roger Smith]

india isn't going for the rafales. Its either Mirages or the F-16. Lockheed even offers ToT if india decides to go for the F16s although france is way ahead of lockheed in their offer with mirages.

The F-16I are the new generation fighters, which Israeli are obtaining approx. 100 units. :smokingc:

 

[The Watcher]

roger i didnt say anything about f16i and dont hope Lockheed would be so eager to share israeli specific tech with indians. The "i" stands for Israel not india in this case. :lol

 

[Roger Smith]

roger i didnt say anything about f16i and dont hope Lockheed would be so eager to share israeli specific tech with indians. The "i" stands for Israel not india in this case. :lol

If the American (Lockheed) want to sell F-16 to India, the Indian will insist to buy the latest technology F-16I with ToT, otherwise there other countries who would supply latest technology with ToT to India.

Secondly, Israel is supplying Phalcon AWACs to India and I feel Israel would like to have a partner in F-16I and a platform for future exercises. :smokingc:

 

[gf0012-aust]

roger i didnt say anything about f16i and dont hope Lockheed would be so eager to share israeli specific tech with indians. The "i" stands for Israel not india in this case. :lol

If the American (Lockheed) want to sell F-16 to India, the Indian will insist to buy the latest technology F-16I with ToT, otherwise there other countries who would supply latest technology with ToT to India.

Secondly, Israel is supplying Phalcon AWACs to India and I feel Israel would like to have a partner in F-16I and a platform for future exercises. :smokingc:

Israel never sells it's current operating technology to customers. It sells earlier generation variants, it's highly unlikely that israel would sell the F-16I

 

[Roger Smith]

roger i didnt say anything about f16i and dont hope Lockheed would be so eager to share israeli specific tech with indians. The "i" stands for Israel not india in this case. :lol

If the American (Lockheed) want to sell F-16 to India, the Indian will insist to buy the latest technology F-16I with ToT, otherwise there other countries who would supply latest technology with ToT to India.

Secondly, Israel is supplying Phalcon AWACs to India and I feel Israel would like to have a partner in F-16I and a platform for future exercises. :smokingc:

Israel never sells it's current operating technology to customers. It sells earlier generation variants, it's highly unlikely that israel would sell the F-16I

Israel and India relation are cordial and is second biggest arms supplier to India. I am sure Israel and USA will not lose a chance by not supplying F-16I to India.

Should F-16 procurement arise for India, it will insist on the latest technology of F-16I and lastly money makes the mare go, money talks. :dance

 

[gf0012-aust]

well, that may be so in many cases, except the F-16I is Israeli specific.

1) the US needs to approve the sale
2) The F-16I has a heavily modified dorsal spine, which is assumed to be a wild weasel tasked housing.
3) the Israelis NEVER sell current EW technologies unless they have a superior product or mechanism in place.
4) No doubt that India might be able to get a Block 60, but theu would only get an F-16I with revised electronics - not the existing suite.
5) India would seek ToT, and that definitely would not happen with such a combat critical platform which is the centre of Israels ORBAT.

It's the way they work - and money doesn't always get you everything - especially with Israeli weapons.

 

[Roger Smith]

well, that may be so in many cases, except the F-16I is Israeli specific.

1) the US needs to approve the sale
2) The F-16I has a heavily modified dorsal spine, which is assumed to be a wild weasel tasked housing.
3) the Israelis NEVER sell current EW technologies unless they have a superior product or mechanism in place.
4) No doubt that India might be able to get a Block 60, but theu would only get an F-16I with revised electronics - not the existing suite.
5) India would seek ToT, and that definitely would not happen with such a combat critical platform which is the centre of Israels ORBAT.

It's the way they work - and money doesn't always get you everything - especially with Israeli weapons.

You have made your points.

Well, why should we let our BP rise? The party concerned will be able to sort out when the F-16 procurement arise.

In the interim let have some fun and game, :cheers

 

[gf0012-aust]

Well, why should we let our BP rise?

Sorry Roger, I don't get your point here. What do you mean?

cheers

 

[Roger Smith]

Well, why should we let our BP rise?

Sorry Roger, I don't get your point here. What do you mean?

cheers

I meant is why should we increase our blood pressure by :smokingc: arguing? Let the party concerned decide for themselves. :cheers

 

[gf0012-aust]

I meant is why should we increase our blood pressure by :smokingc: arguing? Let the party concerned decide for themselves. :cheers

certainly... but, we weren't arguing - and my blood pressure is pretty good.

 

[The Watcher]

Thanks gf0012.. now that points have been raised about israel giving f16i's to india... it seems roger wants to avoid the issue all together.

 

[Roger Smith]

Thanks gf0012.. now that points have been raised about israel giving f16i's to india... it seems roger wants to avoid the issue all together.

No, I am not avoiding any issue on the aforementioned.

Should India opt for F-16s fighters, I still stand by that India will insist to obtain the very best technology F-16I, as it did with Su-27 and improved to Su-30MKI.

I forsee no hindrance from Israel irrespective of points raised by gf0012 as USA, Israel and India are basically working with each other cooperation and on the same level for mutual interest.

I like to clarify one point on F-16, India is being offered F-16 and is not asking for it., that makes India position more stronger to bargain.

BTW, USA refused Israel to supply Phalcon AWAC's technology to China, but the same were allowed to India. It is all a political factor also on the other hand China could have duplicated and supply to unfriendly or unwanted elements/countries.

 

[Roger Smith]

I meant is why should we increase our blood pressure by :smokingc: arguing? Let the party concerned decide for themselves. :cheers

certainly... but, we weren't arguing - and my blood pressure is pretty good.

I was just joking on the BP aspect. :smokingc:

 

[gf0012-aust]

Roger, I thought India was being offered Block 40's - not Block 60's?

I should add that the only way I can see Israeli involvement is in the modification stage after US delivery. Israel is unable to deliver planes in its own right. They might offer the dorsal mods etc, but India would have to have its own AEW solutions in place.

Israel doesn't even let the US near some of its EW solutions.

 

[Salman78]

This deal will be cost effective for India cause it already has M2000's . go for it!!

 

[corsair7772]

Yea. The infrastructure is already in place and adding those mirages wont be as hectic as it seems.

 

[Salman78]

How good are Mirage-2000-5's? They couldn't stand up to a F-16A/B
:-/

Apart from manouverability, the Mirage 2000 is much better in all respects then F-16A/B. Main diff is avionics, BVR's & Range...