Yes i also read it in todays Jang(1-3-04) that French,American and Russian companies wana sell their fighters to india.Lockheed martin is one of them.this will certainly give a boost to indian air force if they get fighters like F-16's.Lockheed martin is also ready to transfer technology to India.But i think India will buy Mirage from France.
Mirage-2000-5 for India
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mysterious
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I feel its not time for PAF and Pakistani government to start worrying as to what should be done about all this. US is backstabbing Pakistan by letting Lockheed offer F-16s and EVEN the transfer of technology for India!! I think the stakes are pretty high here! But I do feel India will go with French Mirages cuz they know US' diplomatic dance when it comes to sellin military equipment during difficult times! France on the other hand would be much better a choice as they just care about money and they'll sell to anyone anytime!
Roger Smith
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Lately, Indian and American had their air forces excercises together in India and also in Alaska, USA.mysterious said:
I will not be surprised to see in near future Indian Air Force inducting 10 squardon of F-16 Falcon (approx. 200 aircrafts) and continue to maintain French Mirage, Russian MiGs and Su-30MKI, British Jaguar as well.
Currently, India is negotiating with the American for 10 to 18 P-3 Orion maritime aircraft plus C-130 transport aircraft, which I am sure the American will be more willing to supply.
mysterious
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Other aircraft from the US like the maritime and transport ones are not as much of a problem as F-16s plus like i said India knows US' foreign policy change is similar to a chameleon changing its colours so they would most likely go for Mirages and leave the F-16s out!
Unofficial reports are saying that the French have offered the Mirage 2000 production line to India. This is apparently due to a concern that the F-16 ToT may sway India.
India is also having exercises with NATO later this year.
India is also having exercises with NATO later this year.
Air Marshal S. Krishnaswamy indicated that they intend to reduce their reliance on Western fighters and promote indigenous/ joint ventures e.g. Tejas and the yet to be defined MCA. But then again the Indian MOD indicated that they will need urgent off the shelf replacements for the Mig 21 series that is due to be phased out due to the setbacks with the Tejas. Dont know what to make of it as always reports from South Asia are always confusing.
India 'to buy fewer Western jets'
India's air force will phase out Western-made fighter jets and rely more on its own Tejas light combat aircraft, according to Reuters news agency.
"Our intention is to go as much as possible within our own stable," Air Marshal S. Krishnaswamy told reports at an air show in Singapore.
India is developing the Tejas model, as well as a light combat helicopter.
India, which has the world's fourth largest air force, buys most of its arms from Israel and Russia.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/...ess/3486166.stm
Published: 2004/02/25 13:34:45 GMT
© BBC MMIV
India 'to buy fewer Western jets'
India's air force will phase out Western-made fighter jets and rely more on its own Tejas light combat aircraft, according to Reuters news agency.
"Our intention is to go as much as possible within our own stable," Air Marshal S. Krishnaswamy told reports at an air show in Singapore.
India is developing the Tejas model, as well as a light combat helicopter.
India, which has the world's fourth largest air force, buys most of its arms from Israel and Russia.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/...ess/3486166.stm
Published: 2004/02/25 13:34:45 GMT
© BBC MMIV
The article from F-16.net is old - dated Feb 03 .......the news I was talking about was -
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/23996248.cms
I think its logical not to plump for the F-16s since that would entail additional costs on US made weapon systems , weapons , avionics et al .
Not to mention the supposedly high cost of servicing and maintenance till the tech transfer is over. But the prospect of having one of the best dogfighters in the world (that too one of PAF's prized possession) which will provide the IAF enough backbone to stand up to any airforce in Asia ( incl Pak and China) is mouth-watering..
But money is the issue with those F-16's ....we have to buy a lot of other things with it as well . Still I think India will get an idea of the capabilities of this fighter in the NATO exercises in Alaska. I think the IAF will take a few of the current Mirage 2000-5 to alaska and compare it with the F-16 . Maybe the F-16 is worth the money ....we will see . But honestly I expect India to go for the best value for money deal rather than an all out performance jet.
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/23996248.cms
I think its logical not to plump for the F-16s since that would entail additional costs on US made weapon systems , weapons , avionics et al .
Not to mention the supposedly high cost of servicing and maintenance till the tech transfer is over. But the prospect of having one of the best dogfighters in the world (that too one of PAF's prized possession) which will provide the IAF enough backbone to stand up to any airforce in Asia ( incl Pak and China) is mouth-watering..
But money is the issue with those F-16's ....we have to buy a lot of other things with it as well . Still I think India will get an idea of the capabilities of this fighter in the NATO exercises in Alaska. I think the IAF will take a few of the current Mirage 2000-5 to alaska and compare it with the F-16 . Maybe the F-16 is worth the money ....we will see . But honestly I expect India to go for the best value for money deal rather than an all out performance jet.
France has alo offered Pakistan for the mirages and with transfer of technology,they will also help Pakistan build manufacturing plant of mirages here in Pakistan and PAF is seriously considering it but are not very much interested,if PAF will be left with no option then they will go for it.First priority of PAF is certainly upgradation of F-16's and atleast have 80-100 F-16's but its higly unlikely.Other then this JF-17 will be the front line fighter of PAF without any doubt and u will keep on observing very rapid improvements in it soon.
Roger Smith
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Mark my words, India will eventually have few squardons of F-16 by way of direct purchase or loan by USA.Oqaab said:
USA needs India in his alliances to counter act China military extension in Asia and to keep a check mate and counter balance the military power.
In Far East, USA has South Korea, Japan and Taiwan to counter balance China's military power and for Asia, it is India.
dabrownguy
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Ok but India hid go for 123 Mirages right? Aren't those suppose to be used for nukes?
Anyways, if India does go for the F-16(like i want) than they will have to get custom upgrades, cause india always does. They would also have start using American missiles,and somehow get f-16 to use r-77 r-27 Astra etc...
My bet is that they will go for the newest Mirages.
Anyways, if India does go for the F-16(like i want) than they will have to get custom upgrades, cause india always does. They would also have start using American missiles,and somehow get f-16 to use r-77 r-27 Astra etc...
My bet is that they will go for the newest Mirages.
dabrownguy
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Another contender is US company Lockheed-Martin, which is offering technology transfer of its runway bestseller F-16 Fighting Falcon.
OK, now is the time to go for f-16! Imagine what you can do with that tech! :eek
OK, now is the time to go for f-16! Imagine what you can do with that tech! :eek
Roger Smith
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P.A.F said:
If Indian Air Force induct a couple of squardons of F-16, it would be most definitely be F-16I, which the Israeli Air Force is inducting now.
mysterious
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India has not been offered F-16I as it has only been specially made for Israeli needs. India has only been offerend the Fighting Falcon series of F-16s with ToT nothing else! I dont think India would go for it as all of its military technology is Russian based which are quite different from American stuff so taking in American stuff now would cause major problems of changing things to cater to the F-16s. On the other hand, facilities for Mirages already exist as it is already there with the IAF so they would go for a cost effective option! :copRoger Smith said:
Roger Smith
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When India opted for Su-27, the IAF up graded the technology to Su-30MKI, which is one of the best fighter in the world. Malaysia selected Indian version of Su-MKI for its air force, which is known as Su-30MKM.mysterious said:
Naturally, if IAF will induct F-16, it is understandable India will opt for best F-16I similar to Israeli Air Force, which the American and Israeli will have no problems to offer to IAF. :smokingc:
mysterious
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Assumptions are a bad way of getting around things. :smokingc:Roger Smith said:
Roger, Israel might sell an export derivative of the F-16I, but they won't see a version that is identical to what they have - its not the way they do things.
OTOH, India would have less trouble getting a Block 60 from the US. Personally I think the Israeli modified platforms are a better "co-operative" mix.
OTOH, India would have less trouble getting a Block 60 from the US. Personally I think the Israeli modified platforms are a better "co-operative" mix.