Mirage-2000-5 for India

[ajay_ijn]

Fighter race hots up

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050108/asp/nation/story_4226713.asp​

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New Delhi, Jan. 7: The Indian Air Force has thrown open the competition for a bulk order of 125 multi-role fighter aircraft that will form the cutting edge of its fighting fleet in the medium term.
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The chief of air staff, Air Chief Marshal S.P. Tyagi, said four companies have been asked to send details on their multi-role fighters that would be considered for the order.
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This easily makes the order one of the most lucrative ones in the global military market. Official sources refuse to put a value on the order.
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The only indication is that when the IAF inducted the Mirage fighters in the 1980s, each aircraft cost about Rs 120 crore.
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But what the IAF’s decision to approach at least four companies means is that France’s Dassault Aviation, with its offer of the Mirage 2000-V, is not necessarily the most preferred choice at the air headquarters.
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The Mirage 2000 is already in service with the IAF and the air headquarters was so far understood to have voiced a preference for it. The decision to approach a number of companies is also in line with an acquisition policy of the defence establishment to avoid a single-vendor situation.
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Air Chief Marshal Tyagi said requests for information have been sent to companies — the US, Sweden and Russia, apart from France. Air headquarters sources said the aircraft on which information has been requested are the F-16 Fighting Falcon (Lockheed Martin, US), Grippen (Saab, Sweden), Mirage 2000-V (Dassault Aviation, France) and the Russians for Sukhois and the MiG 29 MCR.
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The IAF currently has two squadrons (about 40) of the French-built Mirage 2000. It is also in the process of acquiring 10 Mirage fighters from Qatar.
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Tyagi said moves are on to ensure that there is no depletion in the IAF’s fighting elements. The need to acquire new aircraft comes from the decision to phase out the ageing MiG 21 fighters. The MiG 21s are air defence fighters and form the bulk of the IAF’s fighter strength.
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Asked if the IAF was concerned about Pakistan’s proposed acquisition of F-16 fighters, he said: “We oppose it and we have to cater for it. We have our plans to counter them. Acquisition is a constant process. I don’t think we need to get worried about it.â€
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Air Chief Marshal Tyagi, who took over last fortnight from Air Chief Marshal (now retired) S. Krishnaswamy, said a change in the air headquarters does not mean that previous policies will necessarily be reviewed.
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Now Gripen is too in the competetion.​

I think even PAF is trying to get gripens.​

The Final List would be​

F-16​

Mirage-2005​

Mig-29​

Gripen​

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Mostly it would be Mirage-2005,the next preference will be Mig-29 and F-16.​

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[ajay_ijn]

Fighter race hots up

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050108/asp/nation/story_4226713.asp​

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New Delhi, Jan. 7: The Indian Air Force has thrown open the competition for a bulk order of 125 multi-role fighter aircraft that will form the cutting edge of its fighting fleet in the medium term.
​

The chief of air staff, Air Chief Marshal S.P. Tyagi, said four companies have been asked to send details on their multi-role fighters that would be considered for the order.
​

This easily makes the order one of the most lucrative ones in the global military market. Official sources refuse to put a value on the order.
​

The only indication is that when the IAF inducted the Mirage fighters in the 1980s, each aircraft cost about Rs 120 crore.
​

But what the IAF’s decision to approach at least four companies means is that France’s Dassault Aviation, with its offer of the Mirage 2000-V, is not necessarily the most preferred choice at the air headquarters.
​

The Mirage 2000 is already in service with the IAF and the air headquarters was so far understood to have voiced a preference for it. The decision to approach a number of companies is also in line with an acquisition policy of the defence establishment to avoid a single-vendor situation.
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Air Chief Marshal Tyagi said requests for information have been sent to companies — the US, Sweden and Russia, apart from France. Air headquarters sources said the aircraft on which information has been requested are the F-16 Fighting Falcon (Lockheed Martin, US), Grippen (Saab, Sweden), Mirage 2000-V (Dassault Aviation, France) and the Russians for Sukhois and the MiG 29 MCR.
​

The IAF currently has two squadrons (about 40) of the French-built Mirage 2000. It is also in the process of acquiring 10 Mirage fighters from Qatar.
​

Tyagi said moves are on to ensure that there is no depletion in the IAF’s fighting elements. The need to acquire new aircraft comes from the decision to phase out the ageing MiG 21 fighters. The MiG 21s are air defence fighters and form the bulk of the IAF’s fighter strength.
​

Asked if the IAF was concerned about Pakistan’s proposed acquisition of F-16 fighters, he said: “We oppose it and we have to cater for it. We have our plans to counter them. Acquisition is a constant process. I don’t think we need to get worried about it.â€
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Air Chief Marshal Tyagi, who took over last fortnight from Air Chief Marshal (now retired) S. Krishnaswamy, said a change in the air headquarters does not mean that previous policies will necessarily be reviewed.
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Now Gripen is too in the competetion.​

I think even PAF is trying to get gripens.​

The Final List would be​

F-16​

Mirage-2005​

Mig-29​

Gripen​

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Mostly it would be Mirage-2005,the next preference will be Mig-29 and F-16.​

Which countries have Mirage-2009 in service.​

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I heard about Mirage-4000,Any chance of France Exporting Mirage-4000.​

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[adsH]

the mirage 2009 is a customized Variant of the of the Mk2 2K5 family, it was designed and sold to the UAE, it uses Black shaheen a variant of the Storm Shadow aka Scalp EG.

The Mirage 4000 was built but lost against British competition. The Saudis were the prospect full buyers for the huge delta Winged fighter. It’s been scrapped and put on display as one of the Europe’s "Planes that never flew ". The Mirage 4000 is old and is out dated it wouldn't make no sense procuring this fighter.

The Grippens are out of the question since PAF will end up procuring it before IAF, then IAF would not want a fighter that PAF operates. PAF is way ahead of IAF in terms of evaluation and selection process. And PAF is probably going to be the deciding factor for the RSAF, which also wants to buy new fighters.

F-16 is already in service with PAF, buying these would make no sense logistically it would complicate things beyond imagination. The Best option that seems to be feasible are the Mirages. Logistics are in place training is in place, the AC’s can be inducted as soon as they are received and evaluated.

 

[Akshay]

Is Rafael better or Mirage-2005?
Why India is looking for Mirage-2005, can't we go for more Su-30MKIs which are more potent?
While 5th generation aircrafts coming out why we are shopping for Mirages ,instead we can go for stealth Su-54\55 though it is in conceptual stage ,we can join russians like Pak-fa and can get better quality,performance
at same or lesser costs.

 

[ajay_ijn]

Why India is looking for Mirage-2005, can't we go for more Su-30MKIs which are more potent?

I think IAF Specified the max weight of the fighter must not be more than 25 tons.But Su-30MKI weighs over 30tons.
That is why India rejected Flankers.
And Russians Presented Advanced versions of Mig-29 which is lighter than Flanker.

While 5th generation aircrafts coming out why we are shopping for Mirages ,instead we can go for stealth Su-54\55 though it is in conceptual stage ,we can join russians like Pak-fa and can get better quality,performance

India did join Russian Fifth Generation Fighter project but IAF also needs to replace large number of old aircraft immediately.

 

[XEROX]

I would prefer the Rafaele over the Mirage 2000-5, but it seems that the IAF are not looking at it, its looking ever so likely that its out of the Mirage 2000-5 and MiG-29SMT

 

[adsH]

For India purchasing the Rafael would be too costly an entire new Logistical setup would be required, training would have to be altered ie new conversion courses etc. the 2005 mk2 has the same avionic package, without some of the Leading edge Technology in the Rafael.



the French just paid 4 billion Dollars for its second batch of 59 Rafael’s, but that’s not including the logistical and training costs.

 

[ajay_ijn]

the French just paid 4 billion Dollars for its second batch of 59 Rafael’s, but that’s not including the logistical and training costs.

French Weapons are very Costly, even the scorpene deal costs 2.5 Billion dollars for just 6 Submarines.
Rafale Will not be Ideal option,How about Mirage-2009.

Nothing has been said about Mirage-2000-5 Mark2 which a enhanced Multirole Version of Mirage-2000-5.


http://www.vectorsite.net/avmir2k.html

* Dassault extended the improvements of the Mirage 2000-5 a bit further with the "Mirage 2000-5 Mark 2", which is an enhanced, fully multirole version of the Mirage 2000-5. The Mirage 2000-9 features:

• A Thales RDY-2 radar. The RDY-2 radar is similar in configuration to the original RDY, but features two new air-to-ground modes, including a high-resolution "synthetic aperture radar (SAR)" imaging mode with a "moving target indicator (MTI)" capability to provide an all-weather, day / night targeting capability. The radar features "low probability of intercept (LPI)" operation, with the output pattern varying in a seemingly random pattern that prevents an adversary RWR from recognizing that it has been targeted.
• The high-power "Modular Data Processing Unit (MDPU)" designed for the Rafale.
  
• A new Thales Totem 3000 INS with ring-laser gyros and GPS capability, providing much greater accuracy, higher reliability, and shorter alignment time than the old ULISS 52 system. It works in conjunction with a terrain-following system.
  
• An on-board oxygen generation system (OBOGS).
  
• An improved, classified "ICMS 3" digital countermeasures suite.
  
• An optional SATURN secure radio.

The cockpit was updated as well, with the same general layout but with larger color displays and other modernizations. The Thales Topsight helmet-mounted display / sighting system is offered as an option. The Mirage 2000-5 Mark 2 also includes a datalink for the targeting of MICA ER missiles and can carry the Damocles targeting pod.

It looks like Mirage-2000-9 and Mirage-2000-5 Mark 2 are nearly Same.

Better versions of Mirage-2000 essentially uses Rafale Technology.



Someother Versions were Mirage-2000-5F,Mirage-2000-5BR.



IAF needs to buy the best available versions of Mirage-2000-5 and using Israeli Electonics in them if necessary.

Some of the Israeli ECM Systems are very effective.

 

[Elite Brain]

mod edit: highsea: Comments deleted. Please do not post nonsense replies in the thread.

Elite Brain, you are 0 for 2. Care to try for number 3?