JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 / Super-7 Discussions

rafale_2k5 · Mar 26, 2005

Re: PAF to induct first squadron of JF-17 jets next year

adsH said:
Its not about the Masses i think the Pakistanis and the Chinese are using the same Avionics systems, designed by Pakistanis engineered by Chinese and built by the chinese. Pakistanis have more experience flying around in US and other Western AC. so naturally they would have more western Engineering experience, hence-they become consultants. The JF-17 and the J-10 as i see it would end up having more or less the same Avionics. except the JF-17 would be the cheaper version of the J-10. since the The J-10 would have TVC and various other structural difference that make it superior to JF-17. the JF-17 would remain the 3rd gen fighter because it would be classed as one. this does not mean that its avionic system would be less capable then the J-10.

If china Procures 500 of these then the price tag for these AC would fall bellow 15 mill US $ For sure. And the chinese need to develop a strong Backbone backed by a good class Fighter for there Air-force.

Pardon me BRO but i disagree with this argument of urs that pakstanis have more experience on western stuff , the argument may have been valid probably a decade ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but currently chinese operate come ofthe the most advanced versions of su-30 n we all know its no mean machine , plus chinese have some of the best industrial espionage organizations i wold still bet my two cents on chinese bein more experienced whereas our gains would be as somebody mentioned in devloping n designing a combat aircraft which previously we didnt have, like in the case of al khalid n other projects it would give some semblance of know how , for future R & D projects.....

adsH · Mar 26, 2005

Re: PAF to induct first squadron of JF-17 jets next year

rafale_2k5 said:
Pardon me BRO but i disagree with this argument of urs that pakstanis have more experience on western stuff , the argument may have been valid probably a decade ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but currently chinese operate come ofthe the most advanced versions of su-30 n we all know its no mean machine , plus chinese have some of the best industrial espionage organizations i wold still bet my two cents on chinese bein more experienced whereas our gains would be as somebody mentioned in devloping n designing a combat aircraft which previously we didnt have, like in the case of al khalid n other projects it would give some semblance of know how , for future R & D projects.....

Pakistani are western Trained they were a part of the Royal Armed Forces before they broke-up there Cadre can never be compared to the CHinese. the Pakistanis have had access to all sort of Jets in the western world, they have been evaluating the Swedish Grippens have been evaluating french Mirage 2005 and other various Version of the AC, they help the Arab Air-forces In the acquisitions they Outsource and Fly some of there AC. I doubt the CHinese have a larger Breadth of experience in terms of Flying cutting edge AC other then what they built and what they fly that comes from the Soviet theories.

And just to add alitle Bit.. theory hasn't changed the practices that were Developed decades ago are still in practiced we just find better ways of implementing them with newer technologies.

SABRE · Apr 4, 2005

Re: PAF to induct first squadron of JF-17 jets next year

Chinese PM is due tomorrow (5th April) to annouce the opening of Gwadar port

after that he'll lay down the foundation for JF-17 production facility

It is time !!!

lakhani · Apr 5, 2005

Musharraf inaugurates JF-17 project

KAMRA: President General Pervaiz Musharraf has inaugurated the production project of JF-17 thunder fighter jets in Aeronautical Complex here.

Some of the jets would expectedly hand over to Pakistan Air Force till December 2006.

Pakistan and China singed an agreement in 1999 for the production followed by the training of Pakistani engineers in China.

Under the project, fifty percent parts would be produce in Pakistan including airframes and avionics.

After the production of airframe and avionics, Pakistan would join the club of countries having expertise in airplane production.

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/apr2005-daily/05-04-2005/main/update.shtml#19

srirangan · Apr 5, 2005

Re: Musharraf inaugurates JF-17 project

How many flights has the FC-1 made till date?

P.A.F · Apr 5, 2005

Re: Musharraf inaugurates JF-17 project

quite a few. do not know the exact number.

SABRE · Apr 5, 2005

Re: Musharraf inaugurates JF-17 project

Chinese have habbit of keeping things secret & Pakistan also respects that. They dont realy allow public & media near JF-17 & specialy J-10. When JF-17 was being tested for flight at PAF Kamra base, Pakistan too did not allow reporters also asked them not to take pics when its airborne over Rawalpindi.
The only 2 public viewing came in China when first unit was completed & put on display for media & 2nd when it was displayed here at Pakistan to government & Pakistan Television.

So informations have not been made public on number of flights are unknown. Its unpublished.

P.A.F · Apr 6, 2005

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

http://www.dawn.com/2005/04/06/top1.htm
New jet 'giant leap' towards self-reliance: President opens aircraft production

KAMRA, April 5: President Gen Pervez Musharraf on Tuesday described the launching of JF-17 thunder aircraft production project as a giant leap towards indigenization and self-reliance , saying Pakistan will maintain minimum level of defensive deterrence in both conventional and unconventional fields as it wants peace with dignity and honour.

Addressing the launching ceremony of the production project of the multi-role fighter plane, jointly developed by Pakistan and China, the president said it reflects the time-tested friendship between the two countries.

"The time-tested, all-weather and deep-rooted Pakistan-China friendship is going from strength to strength and will be further enhanced with the visit of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao," he said hours before the arrival of the Chinese leader for a three-day visit.

"Pakistan has come a long way and stands at the threshold of a major leap forward by acquiring indigenous capability of manufacturing the JF-17 aircraft, which will form the backbone of the Pakistan Air Force," he said at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.

Pakistan, he said, stands for peace but jealously guards its sovereignty. Pakistan will continue to maintain its strategy of defensive deterrence, he said. He expressed Islamabad's determination not to compromise on the minimum deterrence level in both fields. "We are maintaining this deterrence level as it guarantees peace with honour and dignity," he said.

Pakistan has evaluated the requirements of its armed forces for the next 15 years and declared that the country has both resources and skilled manpower to meet the target for the next 15 years and maintain defensive deterrence strategy.

The president unveiled a plaque to mark the launching of the project at the ceremony, which was attended by Defence Minister Rao Sikander Iqbal, Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, Defence Production Minister Habibullah Warriach, Services chiefs and senior officials. -APP
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i wonder what else hes gonna buy under this 15 year plan

SABRE · Apr 6, 2005

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

China is to hand over 1st batch of JF-17 to Pakistan next year in 2006 while 1st Pakistani produced batch would be released in 2008.

P.A.F · Apr 6, 2005

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

the first batch consists of 8 aircraft right???

SABRE · Apr 6, 2005