JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 / Super-7 Discussions

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

PAF To Have First Batch Of JF-17 By 2006ISLAMABAD, Pakistan : April 17 (PNS) -

The first batch of eight JF-17 Thunder aircraft jointly manufactured by Pakistan and China will be inducted in Pakistan Air Force by mid of 2006.

Briefing newsmen about the success story of the maiden flight by JF-17 Thunder, Chief Project Director of JF-17, Air Vice Marshal Shahid Lateef here, said that Pakistan would not only manufacture these aircrafts locally but also export these most modern aircraft. He said the second Proto Type of JF-17 Thunder aircraft flew its successful maiden flight at Chengdu, in China on April 9. This is the third JF-17 aircraft to be manufactured as the second aircraft was manufactured only for the ground tests, therefore, presently only two aircraft are flying.

The first Proto Type of JF-17 aircraft, which had flown its maiden flight in September last year, is already passing through an extensive flight-testing phase. The flight of the second Proto-type is considered to be yet another important milestone in the progress of the Project. This aircraft has been manufactured and flown, well before its scheduled date. While these two Proto types of JF-17 are being used for exploring the 'operational flight envelope of the aircraft, and for testing of the aircraft sub-systems, yet another Proto-type is planned to be manufactured for the purpose of integration and certification of avionics and weapons suite.

Shahid Lateef said the flight-test programme of JF-17 aircraft is moving ahead smoothly and the flight-test and evaluation programme has entered its advanced stage of evaluation when the aircraft flew successfully in supersonic regime for the first time. He said Pakistani and Chinese test-pilots and engineers, involved in the flight testing programme of JF-17 aircraft are pleased with the excellent performance of the aircraft in all phases of its flight.

A practical manifestation of the pilot's high level of confidence in the aircraft's superior handling characteristics and reliability of its systems was demonstrated last year, when the test pilot performed mild aerobatics during the third flight of its first Proto-type. AVM Shahid Lateef said the JF-17 programme, as a whole, is progressing at a steady pace. He said by virtue of its high combat potential, economical cost, ease of maintenance and assured supply of spares, the aircraft has a number of potential customers, especially in the Third World countries.

Since quality of the product and timely completion of the project are of vital significance for marketing of the aircraft, therefore, the JF-17 team is making all possible efforts to assure qualitative and timely completion of their task. He said so far the programme has been able to meet all laid-down time lines without any delays satisfied with the high quality of aircraft's flight performance, reliability of its sub-systems and unhindered progress of the project.

AVM Sahid Lateef said in the first phase, Pakistan would achieve fifty per cent target of its local manufacturing which will be followed by 100 cent indigenous production of the aircraft with the help of transfer of technology from China. He said it would be first high level transfer of technology to Pakistan and added that by mid of 2006 Pakistan would manufacture 16 aircraft, out of which 8 would be for China.

Shahid Lateef said Pakistani engineers and officials who are getting training in China would come back and work at KAMRA for locally manufacturing JF-17 Thunder. Replying to a question, he said, unlike procured programme, this will be a joint venture with transfer of technology to develop Pakistan's own aircraft for domestic use and for its export.

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JF-17 to be equipped with modern missiles
By Our Staff Reporter


ISLAMABAD, April 16: The air force on Friday announced plans to integrate the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles into the JF-17 Thunder aircraft.

Half of the 16 Thunders from the first batch of the supersonic third-generation aircraft are expected to be inducted into the PAF inventory by mid 2006, while the rest would be conscripted by the Chinese air force.

Briefing journalists at the JF-17 Thunder project directorate at Chaklala, Air Vice-Marshal Shahid Lateef shared the progress being made on the project and dilated on the features of the maiden flight of prototype-3 held at Chengdu in China on April 9.

It was for the first time that two foreign pilots had flown a prototype aircraft in China. "We have now selected the BVR missiles for integration into the JF-17 Thunder. We made a breakthrough recently by acquiring the technology," he said. He said the JF-17 would also carry H-2 and H-4 bombs.

About the avionics component of the JF-17, AVM Lateef said the West was reluctant to offer help in this regard. He said an avionics package for the aircraft had been examined and a contract for it would be finalized next month. In reply to a question, AVM Lateef said five radars of Italian make would be used on the prototypes.

The information made available to the media said the prototype-1 of the aircraft was for verification of flight performance, prototype-2 for ground and load testing, prototype-3 for verification of light performance, prototype-4 for avionics and weapons integration and qualification and prototype-5 for fatigue testing. Prototype-2 and prototype-5 were only for ground tests, it said.

AVM Lateef said induction of the aircraft would help maintain combat potential, especially at a time when the need to replace the ageing fleet was the top priority and new aircraft were not available from anywhere. "It (JF-17) would replace every aircraft that would retire," he said.

According to the schedule, flight testing of the aircraft would end this year. The small batch production would be followed by serial production. AVM Lateef said 25 PAF officers had been sent to China and the PAF would have enough expertise to duplicate the work in Pakistan when the people trained in China returned.

He said a number of countries were interested in buying the aircraft. He said the Chinese air force had ordered the aircraft in big numbers.

http://www.dawn.com/2004/04/17/top6.htm
 
Grifo S-7 Radar

There has been a lot of talk for the radar of JF-17 THUNDER fighter aircraft, but the specs of this GRIFO S-7 radar are still not known.

Can anyone of you provide the details, the working modes, Range and other specification of the radar.

Please quote the authentic source also.
 

Oqaab

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Re: The JF-17 engine

binish_hassan said:
Can anyone tell me that whats the difference b/w RD-33 and RD-93
RD-93 is an upgraded version of RD-33.

RD-33 generates 18,100 lbs of thrust and RD-93 generates 18,300 lbs of thrust. Plus, RD-93 has a better rate of fuel consumption.
 

adsH

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Re: The JF-17 engine

Oqaab said:
binish_hassan said:
Can anyone tell me that whats the difference b/w RD-33 and RD-93
RD-93 is an upgraded version of RD-33.

RD-33 generates 18,100 lbs of thrust and RD-93 generates 18,300 lbs of thrust. Plus, RD-93 has a better rate of fuel consumption.
Whats the engine Life ie after how many hours of operation does the Engines need to be Overhauled
 

ipfreak

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what chinese use fc-1 for? replace theire f-6 and f-7 fleet? what about f-10?

let's see, fc-1, f-8ii, f-10, su-27/30 ... strange
 

ipfreak

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from a new article (chinese), seem to me that the engine on the prototype 03 was made in china (licensed copy of RD-93?). it didn't say that explicitly, but the article put it kinda nebulous way 'the every part of this plane was made in china" ...
 

Roger Smith

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Re: The JF-17 engine

Oqaab said:
binish_hassan said:
Can anyone tell me that whats the difference b/w RD-33 and RD-93
RD-93 is an upgraded version of RD-33.

RD-33 generates 18,100 lbs of thrust and RD-93 generates 18,300 lbs of thrust. Plus, RD-93 has a better rate of fuel consumption.
I assume the same engine are used for MiG-29 manufactured in China under lincense from the Russian. ;)
 

SABRE

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Whats the number of Jets in the 1st batch of JF-17 coming to Pakistan
 

Bilal_Khan

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Quite Sad to see Indians Lieing about the JF-17 before it flew, now a year later a lot has changed.

The JF-17 has a Fully Digital Fly-by-Wire System, Glass Cockpit of 3 Large Colour MFDs, Full Fledged ECM/EW Suite, Helmet Mounted Display, Advanced BVR and WVR Weapons.

Admin: Abusing other countries is unacceptable. Stop it in future or your posts will be deleted.
 

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Bilal_Khan said:
Quite Sad to see Indians Lieing about the JF-17 before it flew, now a year later a lot has changed.

The JF-17 has a Fully Digital Fly-by-Wire System, Glass Cockpit of 3 Large Colour MFDs, Full Fledged ECM/EW Suite, Helmet Mounted Display, Advanced BVR and WVR Weapons.
Bilal lets not go down this road of Nationality motivated insult passing lets be objective up to the point!!
 

ipfreak

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Bilal_Khan said:
Quite Sad to see Indians Lieing about the JF-17 before it flew, now a year later a lot has changed.

The JF-17 has a Fully Digital Fly-by-Wire System, Glass Cockpit of 3 Large Colour MFDs, Full Fledged ECM/EW Suite, Helmet Mounted Display, Advanced BVR and WVR Weapons.

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well, my understanding ist that JF-17 uses partial FBW to cut the cost. the key for the success of jf-1 is its balance between the performance and the cost. it doesn't use that much of composite materials (easy to manufacrture, less costy); it s design inherites features from both F-7PG and F-16A/B (easier for paf to maintain, less training needed). so far it is ahead of its schedule. it should have no problem to enter the service of PAF by the end of 2006. jf-17 will be in battle formation before 2008.

iaf also claimed that it will receive a batch of 10 lca for testing by the end of 2006 with russian engines.

from what have read, chinese side also pointed out that the life span for the body design is 30 years and it has great potential for future improvement. by the 2010, jf-17 probably will have its new version in testing flight (lighter materials, more powerful engine, better aerodynamics, better avionics ...), just like the path of f-16 ...
 

mysterious

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

People (and I mean 'everyone')!! The five-part report of the JF-17 provided by DefenceTalk team is 'authentic' and so, use that for understanding JF-17's capabilities, configurations and features.
 

ipfreak

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Briefing journalists at the JF-17 Thunder project directorate at Chaklala, Air Vice-Marshal Shahid Lateef shared the progress being made on the project and dilated on the features of the maiden flight of prototype-3 held at Chengdu in China on April 9. It was for the first time that two foreign pilots had flown a prototype aircraft in China. "We have now selected the BVR missiles for integration into the JF-17 Thunder. We made a breakthrough recently by acquiring the technology," he said. He said the JF-17 would also carry H-2 and H-4 bombs.

About the avionics component of the JF-17, AVM Lateef said the West was reluctant to offer help in this regard. He said an avionics package for the aircraft had been examined and a contract for it would be finalized next month. In reply to a question, AVM Lateef said five radars of Italian make would be used on the prototypes.
questions: what are those "H-2 and H-4 bombs"? chinese version of BVR missiles? five italian radars would be used for those prototypes.... what about those 8 jf-17s PAF would be receiving in 2006? sounds like PAF is not satisfied with those italian radars and would like to have something better ...

from chinese news (actually it seemed to be an interview), chinese side claimed that avionics would be made in china. not sure what it meant by that... but my guess would be that china side would make licesened copies of italian radar for jf-17 just like licensed copies of RD-93 ...
 

Pathfinder-X

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

FC-1 is a plane of good value, relatively cheap price at juz 14 to 18 mil U.S a piece, decent capabilities, low up-keep cost, a great fighter to replace all those J-6 and J-7 in chinese n pakistani airforce.
however the plane will be outdated in juz a few years when more advanced jets comes into service. upgrade for FC-1 will be essential to ensure better survival in the sky.
 

umair

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what are those "H-2 and H-4 bombs"? chinese version of BVR missiles?
No! the H-2 is the SAF and PAF designation of Kentron's MUPSOW glide bomb(range depending on altitude upto 60km)
H-4 similarly the designation for the RAPTOR which is a rocket powered TLAM version of the MUPSOW(range 120km max)
Pakistan currently produces 3 AAMs under license.
1)AIM-9L
2)AIM-9P3/4
4)Kentron R-Darter(known by SAF and PAF as V-4)
 

tahir_kheshgi

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Salaam all
H-4 is Air to ground missile. you can fire it from Faislabad to Newdehli, and to make matters worse for india, it can carry newclear warheads. (120 km range) my cousin is a test pilot for PAF, he told me that about a month ago. i asked him to confirm if H-4 was Air to Air or Air to Ground. i Always thought that it was Air to Air, but he told me that its Air to ground
i think H-2 is Air to wid the range of 60km ( didnt ask about H-2, forgot about that)
 

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tahir_kheshgi said:
Salaam all
H-4 is Air to ground missile. you can fire it from Faislabad to Newdehli, and to make matters worse for india, it can carry newclear warheads. (120 km range) my cousin is a test pilot for PAF, he told me that about a month ago. i asked him to confirm if H-4 was Air to Air or Air to Ground. i Always thought that it was Air to Air, but he told me that its Air to ground
i think H-2 is Air to wid the range of 60km ( didnt ask about H-2, forgot about that)
well don't get too excited tahir they have defenses which they bought from Israel like comprehensive cruise missile defense systems i think its the arrow system to protect some of there main cities and there air strips and nuclear installations.

if a defense system can stop a cruise missile then i have no doubt it can stop a simple guided Air to ground missile.
 
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